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With Grandmother now moved out of her home and another person owning that property, would police still be allowed to go in and pump the septic (assuming the septic hasn't been pumped since there was NO report of it having been done and no MSM photos of septic trucks on hand in the neighbourhood during the searching in September? - Please don't tell me that they just figured this did not need to be done, and so they neglected to spend that money to do it!!!!) I suppose they could get a search warrant?
 
Well, they definitely have sewer systems in Kendall. Being a newish estate, I would have thought that would include Benaroon Drive, during its construction - seeing that it is not just one or two houses that are outside the town, but 22 lots that are inclusive in the town. But still trying to find confirmation if all or any of those homes are on septic systems.

None of the Benaroon Drive 'for sale' ads say septic system (would they mention that?)

http://www.pmhc.nsw.gov.au/Resident-Services/Sewer/Sewer-Management/How-the-sewer-system-works
http://www.domain.com.au/property/for-sale/vacant-land/nsw/kendall/?adid=2008962819


In the days since, there has been a co-ordinated search ¬involving hundreds of specialist police, the SES, Rural Fire Service, the pony club and locals. Dams have been drained and divers have searched others. Cameras have been put down septic tanks and drains.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...y-william-tyrell/story-e6frg6nf-1227064608526
 
I have never lived on a property but I visited a place with a septic recently. It was hard to miss, there was a big cement thing sticking out of the ground. The owner pointed it out and asked that children not stand on top of it.

It was like this, but it was raised about 15cm and had a metal handle.
http://inspectapedia.com/septic/Steel_Septic_Tank_0770_DJFs.jpg
 
It's very sad to see this case lingering. I had hoped it would have been resolved by now, one way or another. :cry:
 
Off topic but great news! I can't help but compare the resources thrown into finding Luke. Very similar to that of little William and from what I can gather a similar terrain.

Missing Victorian boy Luke Shambrook, 11, found alive in bushland after disappearing on Good Friday

Victorian boy Luke Shambrook, 11, has been reunited with his parents after disappearing from his family's bush campsite on Good Friday.

He was found in the Lake Eildon National Park near Skyline Road at around 11:55am, after four days of desperate searching from volunteers, SES crews, the police dog squad and thermal imaging via helicopter.

A police helicopter spotted him moving around 3km from where he was last seen.

Search teams used chainsaws to clear a path for his removal from the bush.
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Read more at http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/04/07/12/04/luke-shambrook-found-alive#mhkFJOIHK3XUElko.99
 
I've just made an enquiry about a property for sale in Benaroon Drive Kendall. I asked the real estate agent if the property was connected to sewer or septic. He said that all properties in that estate are on septic, not sewer. All properties would include the grandmother's house at 48 Benaroon Drive.
 
deugirtni said:
Is there a way to tell over there in Oz, which areas are on septic and which areas are on sewer? I would love to know if Grandmother's house is on septic for sure.
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Even houses where sewer has replaced the septic, usually the tanks still remain as they are expensive to remove.
 
Makara said:
Am I reading this properly?! The grandmother's house was sold on 31 October 2014. William disappeared on 12 September 2014. That's about seven weeks. It usually takes longer than that for contracts to be exchanged and the obligatory 'cooling off' period. Was the house already on the market prior to William's disappearance?

http://www.onthehouse.com.au/sold/history/13773116/48_Benaroon_Drive_KENDALL_NSW_2439/
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Apparently so. The daughter and her husband may have been there to give grandmother a hand to pack up/move?
 
I wouldn't be surprised if the grandmother had already been planning to sell the house. Her husband had recently died, and her family did not live nearby. Many women would choose to give up a home with large grounds if they were living alone, with little family to help them keep things up.
 
Makara said:
Off topic but great news! I can't help but compare the resources thrown into finding Luke. Very similar to that of little William and from what I can gather a similar terrain.
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That *was* a relief.

Maybe the WT case has made me cynical, but I truly started to think foul-play, given so many people were transient in the area.

Glad he was tough and survived, and everything was innocent as it should be.
 
Wow, I had no idea about the house sale. I wonder if it was a private sale. Usually settlement takes about 6 weeks? That doesn't leave much time to advertise or anything. I didn't notice any "For Sale" signs on the news when they were covering the case. Gosh, this case just gets stranger and stranger.
 
Makara said:
Am I reading this properly?! The grandmother's house was sold on 31 October 2014. William disappeared on 12 September 2014. That's about seven weeks. It usually takes longer than that for contracts to be exchanged and the obligatory 'cooling off' period. Was the house already on the market prior to William's disappearance?

http://www.onthehouse.com.au/sold/history/13773116/48_Benaroon_Drive_KENDALL_NSW_2439/
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Yes the property was on the market prior to WT going missing. The house was on the market via Kew Real Estate, but like everything else all details were pulled from web when WT went missing.

The new owners did not move in until January, deposit was paid but sale held off for privacy reasons after WT went missing.

Was said at the start the family visited to help grandma pack up house
 
From memory, wasn't the home actually sold *before* WT ever arrived and went missing? And then the actual 'closing date' was postponed?

spiritualdreaming said:
Yes the property was on the market prior to WT going missing. We tried to talk of this before but it all got deleted. The house was on the market via Kew Real Estate, but like everything else all details were pulled from web when WT went missing.

The new owners did not move in until January, deposit was paid but sale held off for privacy reasons after WT went missing.

Was said at the start the family visited to help grandma pack up house
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Thank you so much Makara for confirming this. I would love to hear for sure that LE actually PUMPED that septic tank, even if not the other 20 in the immediate neighbourhood. I have seen one of those cameras used by companies to go down the pipes.. they are a great tool for seeing a blockage in a drain, where the drain may be 6" in diameter, down under the ground and you can't fit inside.. it goes around bends and whatever.. but... for one of those little cameras to see in side an ENTIRE septic tank which, in Noah Thomas' case was what, some 8feet x 4feet x 5.5feet high.. that little camera would have to zoom around and around, all through every inch of that entire space, to be confident that nothing was in there for SURE.. surely they realize this, and it would be much less expensive to just pump the thing.... and in the tragic event that something was found.. just like in Noah's case.. the contents of the truck would then be sent for forensic examination.

I just can't fathom that there could have been such a huge oversight. But you know.. others on other threads have said.. those that are city-folk, don't really understand or comprehend the tools and what-have-you, that are used on country properties. Could it be that police don't 'get' that this thing should be pumped out??? Even if they think it is not likely that poor WT would be found there?? Do they even know the property is on septic?

Makara said:
I've just made an enquiry about a property for sale in Benaroon Drive Kendall. I asked the real estate agent if the property was connected to sewer or septic. He said that all properties in that estate are on septic, not sewer. All properties would include the grandmother's house at 48 Benaroon Drive.
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deugirtni said:
From memory, wasn't the home actually sold *before* WT ever arrived and went missing? And then the actual 'closing date' was postponed?
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Deposit paid 3rd September, finalised 31st October. Frozen for 3mths before title deeds were switched over to new owners
 
I am just thinking here.. but normally (based on being a real estate rep for 2 years of my life, and here in Canada at least).. when a rural property which is on a septic is sold, it is normally part of the 'offer to purchase' that the septic be pumped out as a 'condition' of the purchase, much like a home inspection, which is also done here most of the time as a 'condition' of the offer. This gives the purchasers of the homes an idea on the age, condition, etc., of said septic tanks. So..... if this was the case here at grandmother's home.. and if the purchasers put in their offer which was accepted, prior to WT's visit, it is possible the septic had been pumped out very recently prior to WT's visit. If so, would that lead police to think they therefore didn't need to pump it? If police had quickly 'cleared' the fosterparents (which apparently they did), perhaps they therefore thought there was no need to pump the septic, for whatever reason, (such as perhaps the lid was on, and so LE knew that WT couldn't have ended up in there accidentally and within a span of 5 minutes?). If that is the case, I'm really disturbed.. tunnel vision.. not open to all possibilities.. at least if it was done, they could say, 'it has been done and nothing was found', you know?
 
deugirtni said:
I am just thinking here.. but normally (based on being a real estate rep for 2 years of my life, and here in Canada at least).. when a rural property which is on a septic is sold, it is normally part of the 'offer to purchase' that the septic be pumped out as a 'condition' of the purchase, much like a home inspection, which is also done here most of the time as a 'condition' of the offer. This gives the purchasers of the homes an idea on the age, condition, etc., of said septic tanks. So..... if this was the case here at grandmother's home.. and if the purchasers put in their offer which was accepted, prior to WT's visit, it is possible the septic had been pumped out very recently prior to WT's visit. If so, would that lead police to think they therefore didn't need to pump it? If police had quickly 'cleared' the fosterparents (which apparently they did), perhaps they therefore thought there was no need to pump the septic, for whatever reason, (such as perhaps the lid was on, and so LE knew that WT couldn't have ended up in there accidentally and within a span of 5 minutes?). If that is the case, I'm really disturbed.. tunnel vision.. not open to all possibilities.. at least if it was done, they could say, 'it has been done and nothing was found', you know?
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I doubt that grandma's septic would have been used considering the abductor would have no time at all to hang around a septic tank with William. But the remaining 20 properties in the area should have been drained. They drained WS tank. Maybe the neighbors could confirm whether their tanks were drained.
 
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