GUILTY Austria - Woman Held Captive, Had 7 Children by Father

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Well I don't know... I am sure almost every news source, legitimate and shady, would pay a pretty penny for a picture right now. I can't commit to never visiting CNN again... :) And CNN already posted the picture of Elisabeth covered in a coat, so I am sure they would love a *good* picture.

In addition, I also think that reading the news about these stories does help in some ways. For example, I already posted that if I had gone into the courtyard of my old apartment building and heard the faint sounds of a baby crying or maybe smelled some Chef Boyardi on a hot plate wafting through the air, it would never, ever, EVER have occurred to me that people might have been imprisoned underground. Even if the sound or smell seemed out of place - like it was winter and no one was outside and no windows were opened... never would I have thought of it. Now, after this, it WOULD occur to me, and I would probably spend some time checking it out... following the scent or the sound just a bit to see if I could figure out where it came from. And LE are taking note as well, I am sure. The next time a shadowy figure has a daughter turn up missing and has spent a lot of time in the cellar, someone may think to pull out bookcases and look in all the little cubbies, just to see. There are no doubt some wives who read this story and probably did some investigations of their own. It is mind-boggling but good to be reminded of the fact that people are not always who they seem, and sometimes your spider sense is correct.

I do not wish that they should be hounded by the press. IMO, it would be far better at this point for them to sell their story... or at least part of it. I hope they do. Meanwhile, as explanations and snippets of truth are revealed, I am sure there are people who read it out of "morbid" curiosity. For my part, I believe that I am getting an education out of the whole thing. The monstrosity of this "human", the strength of this victim, the depths of denial and willingness to ignore something right under your nose. These all help me understand situations on other threads here on Websleuths, the psychology and the logistics education I get from every case helps me to riddle out the truth on the next one. Will I ever "solve" an unsolved case? Probably not. But will I do what I can to help my fellow volunteer investigators try to find answers? YES! And I know it is useful... I know LE and attorneys read this board and use the huge amount of free investigation help and ideas to help put more criminals away. And so I read, and learn, and try to help.

Now, I have a question - I have seen a few comments here that perhaps the apartment building might be bulldozed... I thought there were like 20 apartments in this building? Surely no one is thinking of displacing these families? I would hate to think they would lose their homes because of this creep. I'm all for getting rid of the dungeon and losing the tourists, but people who lived in this building might not all be able to afford to move out, right?

Good post and practical information came out of it. Who after all these years depending on income from this monster could start over? Not Rosemarie at 68 and not Elisabeth after 24 years years in a dungeon and 6 children to raise. She has no skills and fortunate that she has her mind at all. The money that could be gleaned from a few pics could help them in their recovery efforts. Moving them to a quiet place with a home and medical care. Without financial aid they can't do it given the circumstances.

As far as the home .....the home didn't create the tyrant...the tyrant created the pain for many. No reason to displace others but get rid of the dungeon.

As far as the education, yes, it has been an education. It makes us step back and really look around us and hold our children closer and those we care for in life. It also makes us look to further responsibility for the human race for whatever difference we can make. One small observation could make a huge difference in someone else's life. One phone call could too. Turning a blind eye to problems we can see or perceive never corrected them. JMO.
 
I'm sitting here shaking with anger, thinking of Summer and some of the kids splashing and playing in the pool while, just across the lawn, their mother and siblings were being kept in a dungeon.

There is no ring of Hell suitable for that "man".

How many times has her mother walked across the yard, out to the garage or to the pool, never knowing that she was walking on her daughter's dungeon?
 
Does it get hot there during the summer? Did they have air conditioning? Was there heat in the winter? Did they cook, or were all their meals previously prepared?]

It does get hot there in the summer. Hot and humid and no, there is no air condition. Maybe luxury hotels have it, but the average home is not air conditioned. The cellar was probably always cool (as most cellars in Europe are built of rock/concrete and the walls are quite thick). However, I've read that the humidity in this cellar was quite bad, condensation ran down the walls and caused them a lot of breathing problems.

I imagine that in the winter they had some kind of heating, maybe the two ventilation ducts that provided air also provided some heat diverted from the furnace?
 
i'd also like to know how he got a washing machine down there,, all by himself, with no one noticing.
 
Good post and practical information came out of it. Who after all these years depending on income from this monster could start over? Not Rosemarie at 68 and not Elisabeth after 24 years years in a dungeon and 6 children to raise. She has no skills and fortunate that she has her mind at all. The money that could be gleaned from a few pics could help them in their recovery efforts. Moving them to a quiet place with a home and medical care. Without financial aid they can't do it given the circumstances.

As far as the home .....the home didn't create the tyrant...the tyrant created the pain for many. No reason to displace others but get rid of the dungeon.

As far as the education, yes, it has been an education. It makes us step back and really look around us and hold our children closer and those we care for in life. It also makes us look to further responsibility for the human race for whatever difference we can make. One small observation could make a huge difference in someone else's life. One phone call could too. Turning a blind eye to problems we can see or perceive never corrected them. JMO.
If Anna Nicole Smith could get millions for her various photos, why couldn't this family? I also think that they should sell photos to the highest bidder and also sell their story. If they don't, much will eventually come out--for free.

They could use the money to move the entire family far away to a place where no one will know them.
 
This is when some billionaire needs to step up and offer his private island and security staff for this family to have time to adjust and heal without prying eyes.

VB
 
I was reading one of the stories someone linked to and wanted to post this part, if any of you missed this:

Felix (the 5-year old) who spent his entire life caged underground by his father and grandfather Josef Fritzl has stopped communicating by grunts and is walking normally.
A source said: "The grunts and growls it was suggested he and his brother Stefan used appear only to have been the excitement of their release."
Felix is also entrancing doctors with his ready wit and enthusiasm for everything new in his transformed life.
But the most heart-warming feature of his freedom is something the rest of the world takes for granted. Before he was released from his windowless dungeon beneath Fritzl's house in Amsteteen, two weeks ago Felix had never seen daylight.
Now each morning, wearing special protective goggles, he beams a radiant smile of joy that once again the darkness that has haunted him all his life has gone away...


I am SO happy for this child... :)

Something that doesn't make sense - these kids that were down there - Kerstin, 19 and Stefan, who is 18 - don't you think they would remember the birth of Alex now 12 - as they would have been 7 and 6 respectively - ?? :confused: You would think that they would remember their mom being pregnant - and then not - ?? Makes you wonder - ?? well - at least for me it does!!
 
I'm sure they do remember the birth of the youngest.
 
Does it state anywhere that they don't remember the births?
 
I thought a previous story stated that Stefan's memory of the death of the one twin and the destroying of the corpse is going to be helpful in prosecuting Fritzl...
 
I thought a previous story stated that Stefan's memory of the death of the one twin and the destroying of the corpse is going to be helpful in prosecuting Fritzl...


yes, Dawn, I read somewhere that Stefan DOES remember the death... and Stefan WILL be testifying for the prosecution on that! That's good!
 
yes, Dawn, I read somewhere that Stefan DOES remember the death... and Stefan WILL be testifying for the prosecution on that! That's good!

I don't know how it works in Austria but I would be terrified having to put Stephan through cross examination. I hope the monster admits his guilt and spares him of this. But how could anyone expect this out of a "man" who could do something so evil? The story about Felix enjoying the light of day really underlines the evil in this all.
A few people have asked if Fritzl loved these children in some twisted way. To keep a child, or anyone from fresh air and daylight for days, weeks, years and decades? There is no love there.
 
I don't know how it works in Austria but I would be terrified having to put Stephan through cross examination. I hope the monster admits his guilt and spares him of this. But how could anyone expect this out of a "man" who could do something so evil? The story about Felix enjoying the light of day really underlines the evil in this all.
A few people have asked if Fritzl loved these children in some twisted way. To keep a child, or anyone from fresh air and daylight for days, weeks, years and decades? There is no love there.
That's it in a nutshell! Control yes, love, no.
 
Cellar monster Josef Fritzl slipped his sick incest grand-daughter out of the dungeon while his wife Rosemarie holidayed in Italy blissfully unaware.


Fritzl, 73, took the opportunity to get 19-year-old Kerstin the medical treatment she desperately needed while his wife enjoyed her annual break with a friend, it emerged today.

He thought Rosemarie's absence would give him the breathing space he needed as he planned his elaborate explanation that after 24 years their missing daughter Elisabeth had returned with three children in tow.

This supports the police theory that Rosemarie had no idea her husband had a second family hidden in the basement below her feet.

[URL="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=566615&in_page_id=1811"]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=566615&in_page_id=1811[/URL]

I'm pulling this from the Natasha thread because I find this detail to be the missing link in this case. This explains how the he did so much without the wife knowing. He let her go on vacation for a week each year. I'd imagine that is when he took a TV to the cellar, took a washing machine down there, expanded the cellar....

Even if he did the major stuff while his wife was gone, I don't understand how the wife didn't notice clothes and food being taken down to the cellar...
 
Does it state anywhere that they don't remember the births?

actually its not been mentioned whether Stefan has asaid 'anything' about the 3 upstairs - at least I have not seen anything about it.

DawnTCB said:
I thought a previous story stated that Stefan's memory of the death of the one twin and the destroying of the corpse is going to be helpful in prosecuting Fritzl...

Yes - I recall that too - but have not seen anthing, as I stated above!
 
I'm pulling this from the Natasha thread because I find this detail to be the missing link in this case. This explains how the he did so much without the wife knowing. He let her go on vacation for a week each year. I'd imagine that is when he took a TV to the cellar, took a washing machine down there, expanded the cellar....

Even if he did the major stuff while his wife was gone, I don't understand how the wife didn't notice clothes and food being taken down to the cellar...

I am so glad you moved this. I just realized I posted it in the wrong thread.
 
Oh, absolutely. I want to know all the details, which is morbid and prying. But I don't think I'd go so far as to camp out by the clinic to catch a glimpse or a photo of the family as they enjoyed some well-deserved sunshine. My understanding was that the family is not even allowed outdoors because of this.

Why can't they give them disguises and don't send them all out together as one big group? Michael Jackson managed to disguise his children for years. Nobody knows who they are with the exception of the one picture of a very young Elisabeth.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=567131&in_page_id=1770\
Miss Fritzl could make millions of pounds in syndicated rights for the interview. It is thought that more than 300 TV stations will broadcast it. She is expected to talk about the first time she was raped by her father Josef, 73, and how she coped with multiple births alone in the dungeon. The interview has been organised in part to reduce the pressure on the family from photographers camped at the door to Amstetten-Mauer hospital where Miss Fritzl is in a secure ward with her mother Rosemarie, 69, and five of her six children

Christoph Feurstein, the journalist who interviewed Natascha for her first - and subsequent - TV appearances, has been lined up for what promises to be a gripping television spectacle.

It is expected to be broadcast next Monday evening (May 26).
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I saw an article that stated Elisabeth does not have graying hair and no teeth, that she looks very nice.
 

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