AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #13

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Ive said before that I am pretty sure TPD has their suspect in mind and at this point it is all about trying to build their case solidly enough that they can make an arrest. I have no idea who that person may be however.
 
I have a question.. In catching up I did see where someone had posted that neither parent appeared to be well educated.. As far as higher education that is(forgive me as I don't recall which post and if I go look for it I won't be able to get back here til some point late tonight..lol).. But if I'm not mistaken Becky is not just a medical assistant or LPN.. But rather she is a Registered Nurse(RN).. That is indeed higher education and is not even a mere associates degree(2yr).. But rather a full 4yr degree AT MINIMUM.. I know we've got tons of you guys here posting with us(RN's that is.. pensfan are u around at the moment?).. Anywhoo just wanted to clarify that about Becky.. TIA to anyone who can confirm.. ..


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I have not been reading since the very beginning of this new thread #13.
I do know that it has been verifiied that it is Sergio Celis who are not alowed any contact with Isabel's two brothers.

However I don´t know if any other further information has come to light.
If anyone have the energy to share a short update, I would be very thankful.

Thanks in advance...

theforeigner
 
I don't think the gay issue is a big issue or a red flag about Isa's disappearance. Some of us have noticed mannerisms in his public speaking, and his theatrical opera hobby, as being things commonly noticed in gay men. I don't think it would necessarily upset Sergio to hear the ponderings, because if he is, he is, and if he is not, he has probably in his lifetime heard jokes or questions from others.
One of my daughter's classmates is Asian, adopted to a Caucasian mom. The mom is very sporty, short hair, dresses in jeans and tees, I have volunteered with her at the school a few times, and I always assumed she was a lesbian, because she reminds me very much of my other lesbian friends and aquaintences, No issue, she is a nice lady, I just assumed she was a lesbian. When she came in last week and introduced her husband, I must have had a look, and she said,"oh, did you think I was a lesbian? Haha, everyone thinks that!". My point is, straight people who act or look similar to gay people we know have probably been assumed gay once or twice, and mature adults don't get all offended about it, because we know that society sometimes innocently stereotypes certain mannerisms or personas. If you are a straight man, and strangers get a feminine vibe from you, and you have hobbies that include the arts, some people might assume you are gay. So what. I don't think anyone here means to infer that if he is gay he is "bad" or more likely to be guilty, just that it might be a reason for RC to be cold or distant towards him, and might be a reason that the family is so private, and might be a reason that something seems off in the marriage.
 
If Sergio doesn't have an attorney by now, then maybe he is innocent. I think if ever there's a time to get an attorney, now might be it for Sergio. If I were denied all contact with my children, I'd definitely get an attorney.

By the way, Happy Mother's Day, everyone!

Actually, here in WV anyway, he might have been appointed an attorney or will be if/when it goes to court.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Back to lurking. lol
 
I have not been reading since the very beginning of this new thread #13.
I do know that it has been verifiied that it is Sergio Celis who are not alowed any contact with Isabel's two brothers.

However I don´t know if any other further information has come to light.
If anyone have the energy to share a short update, I would be very thankful.

Thanks in advance...

theforeigner

The authorities have not stated that it is Sergio but CBS has reported that it is indeed him, take that for what it is worth.
 
Actually, here in WV anyway, he might have been appointed an attorney or will be if/when it goes to court.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Back to lurking. lol

I think you have always brought some good takes to the table in your posts I really dont see any reason for you to be shy about continuing to post and sharing your thoughts.
 
Actually, here in WV anyway, he might have been appointed an attorney or will be if/when it goes to court.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. Back to lurking. lol

Actually, I hope that is the case. He needs an attorney now even if he's not involved in disappearing Isa.
 
Thanks marazul.. IMO you are doing a superb job of describing what is the majority of my opinions about this case, at this present moment.. IMO such a mighty fine job that for once I'm not blabbing out 3,000 word posts attempting to relay my point and/or opinion about these particular issues.. You do it so much better and far less bs to get to the point than I do.. I quite appreciate your being able to articulate these points as I find them to be extremely relevant and actual, real possibilities as to what is going on at this time..

Again thanks:. Or muchas gracias, marazul.. lol.. My Spanish is the bare, boned basics learned 20yrs ago in middle school..;)


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My thanks button is gone (??) but thanks. I do get long winded, and my mom says that my way of trying to relate everything to my own experiences looks like narcissism, but it is just how my mind works, I know more about things that have actually occurred in my life than things that haven't, and I try to base my opinions on what I DO know, not what I can guess about.
 
I have a question.. In catching up I did see where someone had posted that neither parent appeared to be well educated.. As far as higher education that is(forgive me as I don't recall which post and if I go look for it I won't be able to get back here til some point late tonight..lol).. But if I'm not mistaken Becky is not just a medical assistant or LPN.. But rather she is a Registered Nurse(RN).. That is indeed higher education and is not even a mere associates degree(2yr).. But rather a full 4yr degree AT MINIMUM.. I know we've got tons of you guys here posting with us(RN's that is.. pensfan are u around at the moment?).. Anywhoo just wanted to clarify that about Becky.. TIA to anyone who can confirm.. ..


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REBECCA LAURA CELIS RN124096 REGISTERED NURSE
Original License Date: 8/4/2003 Due For Renewal: 4/1/2015 Lawful Presence: Verified License Status:8/4/2003 - ACTIVE: GOOD STANDING,
8/4/2003 - MULTI STATE PRIVILEGES Fingerprints: YES Fingerprints Date: 7/31/2002


REBECCA LAURA CELIS LP038000 LIC PRACTICAL NURSE
Original License Date: 10/15/2002 Due For Renewal: 6/30/2006 Lawful Presence: Verified License Status:11/2/2006 - LAPSED/EXPIRED Fingerprints: YES Fingerprints Date: 7/31/2002

http://www.azbn.gov/onlineverification.aspx
 
Doesn't it all depend on how the fund was created? In other words, if the fund is for the searches, can the parents use it for a defense attorney? I would think the community (donors) would be really angry if that happened.

I saw or read an interview with the parents where they stated the funds were theirs to use in anyway they chose. I'll see if I can find it.
 
Sergio...gambler professional...
Could explain no ID of present or any jobs to speak of.
JMO JMO
ETA... And could cause HUGE debts to nefarious people.
JMO JMO

Interesting...but if he does gamble, wouldn't it be in a casino.or casinos ? Legal gambling ? And,AFAIK, they use collection agencies for money owed to them. Gambling is so corporate now... as a kid in NY we had a neighbor who "collected " money owed to nefarious people, and he tended to get physical...but, I do believe it is not like that any more...JMO
 
Just to be clear so as to not offend anyone I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT EVEN "IF" SERGIO HAPPENS TO BE GAY THAT IT IN ANY WAY HAS TO DO WITH ISA'S DISAPPEARANCE.. The only reason that I personally even brought it up waaaaaay back at the beginning is because I believe that this could be what I sense in the distant..disconnect btwn husband and wife.. As well as could be what was raising some of the hinky meters.. Moo has always been that it is a completely separate, and unrelated issue from Isa's disappearance..

Jmo, tho!

ETA: I too am seemingly sensitive and/or aware of being able to see the fine, detailed differences in those who are just effeminate from those who are actually gay.. I have several extremely close, immediate family members whom I'm very close with that are gay, one being a sibling as well..

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He is a dental surgery assistant/oral surgery assistant. This is not a licensed profession like a dentist or hygienist. It is a certificate program and you need to pass an exam, and possibly hold a radiologic proficiency certificate, CPR, etc. The reason dentists/hygienists are required to be licensed is that they provide services and bill for them. The assistant does not bill for services, yet works [legally] under the direction of a state licensed provider, the dentist or oral surgeon. Yes, they have direct contact with patients in the capacity of an assistant, along with sterilization, documentation, etc.

Most oral surgery assistants do not even have the higher education offered through ABOMS...(board certification) but those that do are highly coveted in the work force.

It's interesting how some look a name up in one database and leap to the conclusion that SC is some sort of unlicensed quack or otherwise lying about his profession.

IRT the CPS actions -I think it's great -they have a responsibility to be overly cautious in ensuring the well-being of the older boys...especially with such a high profile case. I tend to think it is something relatively benign and by the book...perhaps the dad is having a hard time coping and bursting out in anger (drama queen), which scares the boys and CPS doesn't think it's good for them to be around. And the Mom is more guarded in her emotions and this doesn't directly affect the boys. Both parents are surely freaking out, rightly so. I wonder how anyone of you reading today would feel if your kid went missing, and people leap to all kinds of conclusions about their being gamblers, unlicensed professionals, child abusers, drug addicts, alcoholics, pedophiles, affiliated with cartels, wife beaters and cheaters, ---Perhaps the lack of forthcoming information allows one's mind to run wild with speculation.

I think every single reported thing can be logical explained in a very simple way. Except most significantly: where Isabel is, and how and why she is where she is.

Do unto others...please, these are real people. Where is a spirit of kindness and understanding?

Anyone care to try to sleuth out that one connection that LE is looking for to help connect the dots to what they suspect? Kudos to you if you can!

Very well said and I agree. I think LE said today that this CPS action is not to be intended as them casting suspicion on anyone in particular so I am sticking by my original belief that Sergio is likely not handling the stress well and could be having trouble dealing with his emotions and therefore acting out towards the boys in such a way that CPS became concerned and needed to get him away so he could clear his head and deal with his problems.


I may be wrong but until I see evidence that he is a gay degenerate gambler hanging out with human traffickers and cartel drug dealers I will with hold further judgment.
 
Thanks time for your prompt reply confirming what I thought to be true.. Thank you:)


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Interesting...but if he does gamble, wouldn't it be in a casino.or casinos ? Legal gambling ? And,AFAIK, they use collection agencies for money owed to them. Gambling is so corporate now... as a kid in NY we had a neighbor who "collected " money owed to nefarious people, and he tended to get physical...but, I do believe it is not like that any more...JMO

The casinos here on the Indian reservations are mostly coin operated slot machines, they have recently allowed some blackjack and poker but none of the real gambling for the hard core like craps or sports betting or roulette are allowed here. It seems unlikely he is a gambler and I speak as a pretty big time sports bettor myself.
 
"I tend to think it is something relatively benign and by the book...perhaps the dad is having a hard time coping and bursting out in anger (drama queen)"

Paximus, I disagree with you about whatever Sergio's allegedly having done being "benign". It takes something -- actual or alleged -- really bad for a spouse not to have at least supervised visits for an hour a week with his or her kids. The fact that Sergio is not being allowed ANY access to his kids means that whatever the police are alleging is serious. (I'm not saying that that means Sergio necessarily did whetver the cops are alleging; just that whatever is alleged is itself serious.)
 
I've spent many years in choirs and orchestras. There are many effeminate/artsy/theatrical men who are not gay. There are also many pedophiles who are not effeminate or gay. I've known women who were molested by their fathers, and these men had very active heterosexual relationships with their wives or other women.
 
*If* Isabel isn't in the immediate area, that would pretty much rule out either parent as the one responsible for her disappearance as well as family members who were present immediately after she was reported missing.

MOO

Not necessarily!

what if she actually went missing at 11 pm the prev evening?
 
I've spent many years in choirs and orchestras. There are many effeminate/artsy/theatrical men who are not gay. There are also many pedophiles who are not effeminate or gay. I've known women who were molested by their fathers, and these men had very active heterosexual relationships with their wives or other women.

And Hairdressers!
 
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