AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #13

[Madilu]

I have a question.. In catching up I did see where someone had posted that neither parent appeared to be well educated.. As far as higher education that is(forgive me as I don't recall which post and if I go look for it I won't be able to get back here til some point late tonight..lol).. But if I'm not mistaken Becky is not just a medical assistant or LPN.. But rather she is a Registered Nurse(RN).. That is indeed higher education and is not even a mere associates degree(2yr).. But rather a full 4yr degree AT MINIMUM.. I know we've got tons of you guys here posting with us(RN's that is.. pensfan are u around at the moment?).. Anywhoo just wanted to clarify that about Becky.. TIA to anyone who can confirm..

There are two routes to take when getting an RN degree. One is an associates degree, (usually AAS =Associates in Applied Science in nursing. These are usually earned at a community colleges. The other is Bachelor of science in Nursing (so it would be Jane Doe, BSN, RN). The BSN is indeed the more prestigious of the two, a 4 year program. Either RN requires state licensing, passing the boards. I don't know which one the mother has tho, not that it matters...

 

[liz b.]

The casinos here on the Indian reservations are mostly coin operated slot machines, they have recently allowed some blackjack and poker but none of the real gambling for the hard core like craps or sports betting or roulette are allowed here. It seems unlikely he is a gambler and I speak as a a pretty big time sports bettor myself.

I do not know if he is a gambler. It is just highly unlikely that a gaming corporation would kidnap his daughter because he owed them money. They would put a lien on his salary .. MOO

I do not believe that Sergio was highly stressed, and this led to a no contact order with his children.

LE said that they had uncovered something during the course of their investigation which made them concerned for the safety of the two remaining children. Likely this all has to do with what happened when the parents and oldest boy went back to the house with LE. I would * speculate * that the oldest boy told them something...MOO

 

[PAXIMUS]

"I tend to think it is something relatively benign and by the book...perhaps the dad is having a hard time coping and bursting out in anger (drama queen)"

Paximus, I disagree with you about whatever Sergio's allegedly having done being "benign". It takes something -- actual or alleged -- really bad for a spouse not to have at least supervised visits for an hour a week with his or her kids. The fact that Sergio is not being allowed ANY access to his kids means that whatever the police are alleging is serious. (I'm not saying that that means Sergio necessarily did whetver the cops are alleging; just that whatever is alleged is itself serious.)

Yes I understand that for them to deny him contact with his kids it has to be serious but the police did basically say that we shouldnt read too much in to it wrt to it casting more suspicion on this person.

 

[liz b.]

Not necessarily!

what if she actually went missing at 11 pm the prev evening?

Now that's food for thought...MOO

 

[Eileen730]

Sergio...gambler professional...
Could explain no ID of present or any jobs to speak of.
JMO JMO
ETA... And could cause HUGE debts to nefarious people.
JMO JMO

If he is a high roller the casino will comp him to come to their casino they pay air fare and hotel accomodations! But he has to be a pretty big spender
for them to do this..

JMO
I used to work for casinos!

 

[PAXIMUS]

I do not know if he is a gambler. It is just highly unlikely that a gaming corporation would kidnap his daughter because he owed them money. They would put a lien on his salary .. MOO

I do not believe that Sergio was highly stressed, and this led to a no contact order with his children.

LE said that they had uncovered something during the course of their investigation which made them concerned for the safety of the two remaining children. Likely this all has to do with what happened when the parents and oldest boy went back to the house with LE. I would * speculate * that the oldest boy told them something...MOO

I think that is as good as a guess as any but then see my post above about what the police said about this no contact order.

It is difficult to say what is going on, really. I think many of our posters, including you, have come up with as good an explanation as there is. As usual with me I tend to err on the side of giving the parents the benefit of the doubt until I have a real reason not to that is why I think it is unrelated to her disappearance but related to the case insofar as it is the result of Sergio having some sort of breakdown, maybe drinking, having anger management problems etc, none of which means he killed his daughter but could suggest that if one were to consider it in light of all things.

 

[Eileen730]

Now that's food for thought...MOO

I thought she was missing long before 8 am!
I think we have a bogus story!
but thats JMO

 

[Kelly Faraday]

And Hairdressers!

Bless you Eileen730. American Gigolo comes to mind. LOL.... Thx for bringing some comedy!

I truly understand there is NOTHING funny about a little girl who is missing, but sometimes we need a moment of laughter to get us through so we can go on. We are only human.

Kelly

Thinking of the scene where he pretends to be blow drying (?) a client's hair when hubby comes home and finds them in the bathroom together. I seem to recall there was steam (they were in the shower) and he pretended that was part of the treatment. Been awhile since I saw that!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

FTR: I never suggested that Sergio was unqualified for whatever position he has in a dental-related field. I searched an Arizona dental database for information about licensing for hygienists and learned that Sergio is not a licensed dental hygienist - his employment status that was originally reported at the beginning of the case. Since that time, Sergio himself identified his job as that of an assistant in a dental surgery facility. This would not be the same as a dental hygienist for which a license may or may not be required.

In Michigan, a dental hygienest generally has a Bachelor of Science in Dental Hygiene from a 4-year college or university. DH and I have gone to the same dental office for 35+ years during which time the original dentist has retired. There have been five hygienists who have worked full and/or part-time while they raised families. They are all graduates of the University of Detroit/Mercy School of Dentistry and are licensed by the State of Michigan. http://dental.udmercy.edu/programs/hygiene/professional/index.htm

 

[Eileen730]

I think that is as good as a guess as any but then see my post above about what the police said about this no contact order.

It is difficult to say what is going on, really. I think many of our posters, including you, have come up with as good an explanation as there is. As usual with me I tend to err on the side of giving the parents the benefit of the doubt until I have a real reason not to that is why I think it is unrelated to her disappearance but related to the case insofar as it is the result of Sergio having some sort of breakdown, maybe drinking, having anger management problems etc, none of which means he killed his daughter but could suggest that if one were to consider it in light of all things.

It has to be they suspect him of harming her!

If it was something he was involved in that caused his family to be in danger they would be placed in PC.

Seems they only want dad away from them!

JMO

 

[Madilu]

"I tend to think it is something relatively benign and by the book...perhaps the dad is having a hard time coping and bursting out in anger (drama queen)"

Paximus, I disagree with you about whatever Sergio's allegedly having done being "benign". It takes something -- actual or alleged -- really bad for a spouse not to have at least supervised visits for an hour a week with his or her kids. The fact that Sergio is not being allowed ANY access to his kids means that whatever the police are alleging is serious. (I'm not saying that that means Sergio necessarily did whetver the cops are alleging; just that whatever is alleged is itself serious.)

uta I said the bit about benign. This all happened on a Friday afternoon, so they would likely say no contact until we can get this all sorted out at the start of the business week. sometimes good people make dumb choices under stress. It's not all black and white in my mind. I air on the side of wait and see, rather than jump to a bunch of conclusions. None of this is easy on anyone involved. I can't imagine that kind of stress and pressure after 3 weeks, still not knowing where your little girl is -and picturing all kind of bad. I would crack for sure. Hopefully they are all being taken care of, and hopefully with some professional and spiritual help, and I really mean that.

 

[PAXIMUS]

And Hairdressers!

An chefs too, watch Top Chef, many, many of them are very very openly gay, but a lot of them arent also. Seems men make the best hairdressers and cooks LOL.

 

[PAXIMUS]

It has to be they suspect him of harming her!

If it was something he was involved in that caused his family to be in danger they would be placed in PC.

Seems they only want dad away from them!

JMO

Well as someone who wants to support Sergio this is a troubling twist but I am just not sure how much we should read in to it wrt to it being connected to her disappearance and in fact the police basically said today that we should not read in to it in that manner.

Good points though, I agree it is a serious matter one way or another, they dont deny you your kids unless it is.

 

[utahagen]

"Yes I understand that for them to deny him contact with his kids it has to be serious but the police did basically say that we shouldnt read too much in to it wrt to it casting more suspicion on this person." The police have to say that! Plus, all that means is that the police won't indicate whether they are suspicious of Sergio. What I wrote before is a fact: people simply are not COMPLETELY cut off from their children unless what is alleged is very serious. Even active drug dealers are allowed periodic, supervised visits with their children. That Sergio right now is not allowed to see his sons at all rules out mere psychological wackiness on his part as the reason the boys have been placed solely with their mother.

 

[PAXIMUS]

uta I said the bit about benign. This all happened on a Friday afternoon, so they would likely say no contact until we can get this all sorted out at the start of the business week. sometimes good people make dumb choices under stress. It's not all black and white in my mind. I air on the side of wait and see, rather than jump to a bunch of conclusions. None of this is easy on anyone involved. I can't imagine that kind of stress and pressure after 3 weeks, still not knowing where your little girl is -and picturing all kind of bad. I would crack for sure. Hopefully they are all being taken care of, and hopefully with some professional and spiritual help, and I really mean that.

This is how I feel also.

 

[Eileen730]

An chefs too, watch Top Chef, many, many of them are very very openly gay, but a lot of them arent also. Seems men make the best hairdressers and cooks LOL.

LOL yes they do!

 

[FrayedKnot]

IRT the CPS actions -I think it's great -they have a responsibility to be overly cautious in ensuring the well-being of the older boys...especially with such a high profile case. I tend to think it is something relatively benign and by the book...perhaps the dad is having a hard time coping and bursting out in anger (drama queen), which scares the boys and CPS doesn't think it's good for them to be around. And the Mom is more guarded in her emotions and this doesn't directly affect the boys. Both parents are surely freaking out, rightly so. I wonder how anyone of you reading today would feel if your kid went missing, and people leap to all kinds of conclusions about their being gamblers, unlicensed professionals, child abusers, drug addicts, alcoholics, pedophiles, affiliated with cartels, wife beaters and cheaters, ---Perhaps the lack of forthcoming information allows one's mind to run wild with speculation.

Respectfully snipped by me.

ITA that CPS has to err on the side of caution if there is ANY concern for these boys' well-being. They are minor children in a home where a sibling has gone missing under suspicious circumstance and the parents have not been cleared by LE.

I do not know how I would behave if I found myself the innocent parent of a missing child, I can only guess. But I honestly think I would be understanding of CPS's involvement.

I have posted several times that I also believe that in cases where a child goes missing from the home, that the family should be immediately removed from that home and it should be sealed off to preserve evidence.

I am not advocating a police state, but when a CHILD goes missing, it should be treated with a different set of rules and as an innocent parent, I would be willing to have my domiciliary and parental right stepped on a bit if it meant finding my missing child.

JMHO




Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[impatientredhead]

I think you are correct, Pax. I'm trying to say that, to me, innocent people do not think of lawyering up. If LE came to my door right now, and wanted to question me about an incident, I would speak freely and willingly. NEVER would I give a thought to a lawyer, trusting in LE. They are only talking to me, right. Then, I find a neighbor has said they saw ME committing a crime. I can see it would get messy, and I could get charged for my doppelganger's crime. But at the initial contact with LE, I would never even think *I* could be in trouble! I think that is were some people DO get in trouble.

In any case, it is true, we the public, do jump to conclusions, though I try not to. Gut feelings are often right though, even if they do not hold up in court!

If the police knocked on my door and asked me if I had heard or seen anything I would speak freely and feel no need to bring an attorney with me.

If my child disappeared and I was the last one to see common sense would tell me the police are questioning me with two agendas. One to find the missing child and a second one to collect evidence for a conviction.

Whole different ball game. And then add in that to find a missing child you really have to use the media to your benefit. They also have an agenda which may or may not be in my best interest.

Trusting blindly in either entity is a bad idea. If I am putting my life in the hands of either I am absolutely going to hire a professional whose job it is to look out for me while navigating unchartered waters. The stakes are too high for everyone, the missing child, the rest of your family, and you.

 

[FrayedKnot]

LOL yes they do!

Agreed! Mr. Knot is a very good cook and a great food shopper, too. And very, very straight!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[cluciano63]

LE indicated that something was learned or found during the course of the investigation...I do think this indicates that it is something that puts Sergio in the POI seat, no matter what they are saying. I also think they may have separated him from the kids in advance of naming his as such, in reaction to Josh Powell, just to be safe. But it is just an opinion...