AZ - Isabel Mercedes Celis, 6, Tucson, 20 April 2012 - #17

[Taminator]

Last thought and I will shut up on this topic.

If your kids have certain sets of shorts and tops that they wear exclusively as PJs, that is one thing. But are these clothes they also sometimes wear to school? Or do they have different sets of shorts and tops for sleeping that, in spite of being regular shorts and tops, are THEIR pajamas, and are worn EXCLUSIVELY as pajamas?

My son usually just sleeps in his boxer briefs and my daughter usually sleeps in one of her dad's giant T-shirts or just any old T-shirt. I can't even get her to wear pajamas. They wear uniforms to school, so they definitely wouldn't wear those to bed. But other than that, we really don't have a "set" clothing that they wear to bed. Might be a T-shirt one night, might be a nightie another night. And sure, they might crash in a shirt they wore out to play in once in awhile. As long as they are comfortable, that's all I care about.

So I guess the answer to your first question is No and to the second question is Yes and No.

ETA: The only time I've really drawn the line on what my kids wear to bed is when my son wanted to wear his hooded jacket to bed because he thinks its so cool.

 

[soyesterday]

Oh my gosh......PLEASE FORGIVE ME if i'm totally off on this....i haven't caught up at all yet, but PLEASE tell me that we aren't arguing or judging about whether her clothes she wore to bed w/ actually pajammas or regular "street clothes" (shorts and shirt)
If that is the issue again....why?????
Why do have to be so judmental about what kind of clothes all these missing children were last seen in????? I can't stand it.
My kids wear shorts and a t shirt to bed all the time. That IS their pajamaas!
Does that make me a bad mother?????
I love my kids like crazy. I would do anything for them. They are perfectly safe and healthy children. Two teenagers and a younger one.
It doesn't make you a bad parent if you don't wear "regular" pajammas to bed OR if your younger kid doesn't have a shower every single day OR if you have "breakfast" for dinner sometimes.
Why do we have to judge so much?
Ok i'm off my soapbox.
If i totally missed the point of the conversation, PLEASE SERIOUSLY FORGIVE ME.
I'm so sorry. The subject just bothers me so much.
Going to catch up now.

 

[mamamia54]

Local color here.. of no significant importance. Was at dinner at my Dad's house tonight with two of his former LE friends here in Tucson. I wasn't even in the room when the conversation arose and did not provide any input. Theory from these two? Abduction due to cartel/debt.

Granted, they are retired LE. But that seems to be a pervasive theory at least amongst those I encounter.

I'm very surprised to hear this coming from retired LE!! Did they give any reason why they felt this way?

 

[nursebeeme]

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/18/was-there-a-note-on-isabel-celis-wall/?hpt=ng_mid

nancy grace video from last night was just put up (re: when she talked about the **note** that LE would not confirm/deny)

 

[Taminator]

Patty, I give up.

First it was reported by NG and you said that wasn't MSM.

Then it was reported by Today Show and you said the info that didn't come from a press conference so it is not credible.

Now it has to be confirmed by a local source.

Just don't believe it if you don't want to, but I thought the rules here were that NG is MSM, and the Today Show is CERTANLY MSM, and that is all that is required for posting information.

I PM'd a mod, maybe they'll weigh in.

Anyway, no worries, you don't have to believe anything. Others, though, can make their own decisions.

I can't speak for Patty, but I think she's trying to figure out where the Today Show is getting it's information, since they didn't get it from a press conference or a local article then it can't be confirmed as nothing more than a rumor. IMO

 

[GutFeeling!]

I can remember when i was younger, i use to get in SO much trouble for writing/drawing on my bedroom walls, to the point that i got so smart about it (or so i thought) that i would draw in my closet...thinking my clothes and toys covered everything, so noeone could see it. Then i even opened the two sets of bifold closet doors and starting scribbling on the part that you can only see when it is open...

I think a lot depends on exactly "what" was being drawn or written on those walls.

ALL JMO

I agree. I just put a lock on my closet door because my grandson would take things in there that he knew he wasn't allowed to touch lol He is not a wall writer (yet) - there is something about a closet that kids seem to love.

 

[kai]

I dont think so. Sergio had already said that Isa wrote on their walls in crayon everywhere.

IMO

When did Sergio say this?


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[TxLady2]

Hawke isn't even aware of the what the previous CPS calls are about. She doesn't have all the information about the case, only what LE wants her to put out. I guarantee the people actually working on the case know what the CPS calls were about, and if the note exists, they know about it.

Why would she not be aware of it? Surely her job description is not merely as a spokesperson. Talking to the media wouldn't come close to filling an 8 hour day. And if she was not familiar with the case at all, she wouldn't be designated to be the spokesperson. She may be in a supervisory position, which means she is probably not out there with boots on the ground, but she knows what is going on because the detectives report to her or at least to the head of her department.
I would not read too much into LE saying they are not aware of something. That's an easy way to deflect attention away from something they can't discuss. If that note meant something, if it was a message or a cry for help, you bet your bootie she is going to know about it, but she can't talk about it just yet.
JMO, naturally.

 

[jennapuppy]

Oh my gosh......PLEASE FORGIVE ME if i'm totally off on this....i haven't caught up at all yet, but PLEASE tell me that we aren't arguing or judging about whether her clothes she wore to bed w/ actually pajammas or regular "street clothes" (shorts and shirt)
If that is the issue again....why?????
Why do have to be so judmental about what kind of clothes all these missing children were last seen in????? I can't stand it.
My kids wear shorts and a t shirt to bed all the time. That IS their pajamaas!
Does that make me a bad mother?????
I love my kids like crazy. I would do anything for them. They are perfectly safe and healthy children. Two teenagers and a younger one.
It doesn't make you a bad parent if you don't wear "regular" pajammas to bed OR if your younger kid doesn't have a shower every single day OR if you have "breakfast" for dinner sometimes.
Why do we have to judge so much?
Ok i'm off my soapbox.
If i totally missed the point of the conversation, PLEASE SERIOUSLY FORGIVE ME.
I'm so sorry. The subject just bothers me so much.
Going to catch up now.

I think some posters were comparing the stories that SC, RC, and Jr gave about their activities the night she went missing. Sergio told 911 a very detailed story about showers, braids, etc. It wouldn't be unusual for a family to "blow off" the shower that late at night, especially if they're getting up early and just getting hot and sweaty again. So, did she really shower, get her hair braided, and put on whatever to sleep in, or was Sergio lying?

 

[soyesterday]

Last thought and I will shut up on this topic.

If your kids have certain sets of shorts and tops that they wear exclusively as PJs, that is one thing. But are these clothes they also sometimes wear to school? Or do they have different sets of shorts and tops for sleeping that, in spite of being regular shorts and tops, are THEIR pajamas, and are worn EXCLUSIVELY as pajamas?

WHY does it matter? I'm so not a confrontation person and i don't like to start stuff at all.
But i remember us all talking about this at the beginning too.
Why do these "little" things make it so we can be judged as parents.
If people knew half the things we do w our kids, i'd be in trouble according to some posters on here.
I don't get it at all.
My kids are perfectly, happy well adjusted kids.
They were shorts and t shirts to bed every night for jammies.
And yes sometimes they're the same clothes they might wear to school a different day.
The only thing i usually try not to do is make sure they aren't wearing the same clothes they wore earlier that day just cuz i think they are probably "germy" from school and stuff and i get grossed out about germs lol.
But IF it happens.....like maybe on vacation...or something....or maybe my younger one falls asleep on the couch before she's changed which isn't very often.
I swear sometimes after reading here, i feel like i must be a horrible mom.

 

[Lava]

I have been wondering about all of this, too.
Sometimes, though, I don't see some of my local friends online for long periods, but I see them for regular salt sharing activities. It is possible that RC goes in and out of hanging out online on FB.

The other thing to consider might be that her children may have been gone for a day, or a weekend, or maybe she mispoke like she did on 911. She stated something about "I should have come check on her" meaning that she should have gone in her room to check on her.
Maybe she had to go out of town for training and the children went to her mother's.

Is your something else perhaps CPS involvement? Removing the children? I
would agree that might be possible, but jeez if that ever happened, why would they not remove boys immediately once one of the children disappeared?

IDK just brainstorming.

I do agree that FB can be telling...
that's why mine is private.

Right now, I am not saying it is anything other than that the kids were gone for a reason we don't know. It could have been a vacation for the kids, it could have been CPS involvement..who knows. Just something to keep in the back of my mind. I thought it was weird that it was the first post that followed a long silence, Instead of a post about her kids leaving and then another about them coming back. And who knows...there could have been posts there that have been deleted.


I know that in Florida once you have already had an open case and something else happens after that case is closed an investigation is automatically opened again (as opposed investigating whether a case should be opened). You are looked at more heavily as opposed to if this was the first allegation. However, that doesn't mean the children are taken right away. CPS may be leaving the investigation up to LE to determine if someone in the family was involved.

 

[Taminator]

I agree. I just put a lock on my closet door because my grandson would take things in there that he knew he wasn't allowed to touch lol He is not a wall writer (yet) - there is something about a closet that kids seem to love.

When I was a kid, my cousins, (who weren't really cousins, but close friends considered family) my brothers, and I used to play Star Trek in my brothers' closet. It had a sliding wood door and we made it look like the inside of the Enterprise. We would do that for hours on end.

 

[mamamia54]

When did Sergio say this?


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Rebeccas Celis said, "Everything is Isabel so it's hard to want to walk in there and see all her stuff. Isa had toys she was playing with around the house." Sergio Celis added: "Writing on the wall, the crayon, the words, everything, her pictures, everything on the fridge, absolutely everywhere you look in the house she is there."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ocal/150254045.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

 

[Patty G]

http://nancygrace.blogs.cnn.com/2012/05/18/was-there-a-note-on-isabel-celis-wall/?hpt=ng_mid

nancy grace video from last night was just put up (re: when she talked about the **note** that LE would not confirm/deny)

It's interesting in the video from NG, that the close friend of SC has never been in the Celis' home. ~2:27

 

[Lava]

WHY does it matter? I'm so not a confrontation person and i don't like to start stuff at all.
But i remember us all talking about this at the beginning too.
Why do these "little" things make it so we can be judged as parents.
If people knew half the things we do w our kids, i'd be in trouble according to some posters on here.
I don't get it at all.
My kids are perfectly, happy well adjusted kids.
They were shorts and t shirts to bed every night for jammies.
And yes sometimes they're the same clothes they might wear to school a different day.
The only thing i usually try not to do is make sure they aren't wearing the same clothes they wore earlier that day just cuz i think they are probably "germy" from school and stuff and i get grossed out about germs lol.
But IF it happens.....like maybe on vacation...or something....or maybe my younger one falls asleep on the couch before she's changed which isn't very often.
I swear sometimes after reading here, i feel like i must be a horrible mom.

I don't think anyone is judging anyone's parenting abilities based on night clothes. However, for me it is important to listen to how each parent described what she was last seen in because perhaps the last thing RC saw her in wasn't the last thing SC saw her in and then that would prove to be an inconsistency. If we KNEW she went to bed in "real" pajamas we would at least know that she got ready for bed and went to bed according to the parents. But if she was last seen in basketball shorts we don't really know if she slept in those or not - so we don't really know if the parents actually SAW her go to bed.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

I am sooo sorry to everyone...but, that comment with the mans pants has me laughing so hard I'm snorting over here...maybe too early and not enough coffee.

Karma for that guy?:waitasec:
:floorlaugh:

 

[johnQpublic]

These rumors are coming fast and furious on this case.:maddening:

I didnt even know children that age has to have a passport.

IMO

I was only 3 months old and needed a passport in the 70's

 

[Lava]

Rebeccas Celis said, "Everything is Isabel so it's hard to want to walk in there and see all her stuff. Isa had toys she was playing with around the house." Sergio Celis added: "Writing on the wall, the crayon, the words, everything, her pictures, everything on the fridge, absolutely everywhere you look in the house she is there."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ocal/150254045.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

This is interesting because it does seem to indicate that at least SC knew Isabel wrote on the wall. But it doesn't really mean this was normal or, or innocent. It could just mean it is a reminder that she wrote something related to what happened, or it could be completely innocent.

 

[mamamia54]

This is interesting because it does seem to indicate that at least SC knew Isabel wrote on the wall. But it doesn't really mean this was normal or, or innocent. It could just mean it is a reminder that she wrote something related to what happened, or it could be completely innocent.

Yep, that's what I'm going thru also, this could be a telling sentence by Sergio, or could just be that it was perfectly normal for Isa to write on walls.

 

[kai]

Rebeccas Celis said, "Everything is Isabel so it's hard to want to walk in there and see all her stuff. Isa had toys she was playing with around the house." Sergio Celis added: "Writing on the wall, the crayon, the words, everything, her pictures, everything on the fridge, absolutely everywhere you look in the house she is there."
http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...ocal/150254045.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

WOW! I am very big on words that people choose to use. This statement by SC really has me wondering now what supposedly was wrote by Isabel. I find it interesting that SC would slide the "writing on the wall" statement in there. Did SC write something on the wall to make it seem that Isabel wrote it?

Thanks OP for your original post and thanks mamamia for the link!



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