GUILTY AZ - Sylar Newton, 2, Rimrock, 25 July 2010 - #2

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And unless I'm seeing this wrong, Sylar's bio mom was (don't think they are now by the sounds of it) bf with this S person. Interesting ~
 
I read somewhere where kind strangers to bio mom offered to put her up as she drove her way across the USA to head to Arizona. I hope and pray they watch their things and their family, I unfortunately would not take that chance of housing someone.

I think this case is FULL of suspects and the police sure do have their work cut out for them, May God give them strength as they get to the bottom of what happened to that beautiful baby.
 
Portabella said:
I read somewhere where kind strangers to bio mom offered to put her up as she drove her way across the USA to head to Arizona. I hope and pray they watch their things and their family, I unfortunately would not take that chance of housing someone.

I think this case is FULL of suspects and the police sure do have their work cut out for them, May God give them strength as they get to the bottom of what happened to that beautiful baby.
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Let me clarify..absolutely no one that I'm aware of, put Chasity up in their home. Some offered to get her a hotel room and some offered to assist with gas...that's it.
 
thanks momtective..I do think she needs to be there. she is technically his legal gaurdian at this time since no actual papers have been found to my knowledge. This is just heartbreaking.
 
Whew thank Goodness, I saw it on a church blog I believe where they were looking.... Just saying perhaps the church people on the blog were fibbing.... but just a prayer if they did put her up that they were not wearing blinders and too trusting.
 
Portabella said:
Whew thank Goodness, I saw it on a church blog I believe where they were looking.... Just saying perhaps the church people on the blog were fibbing.... but just a prayer if they did put her up that they were not wearing blinders and too trusting.
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Perhaps there may have been comments on the facebook link too -- there are so many well wishers there as well as discussions. :angel:
 
:( I really don't like the new rumors. :puke:

Where is Sylar? :cry:
 
So what do we know? Since LE hasn't "said" much....they've still said and done a lot IMO.

Here's what I can come up with off the top of my head.
1. The boy is seen by non-family campers at the campsite (the boy's friend is non-family...did other campers, not with the family see him?)
2. The call came in from the boy...family friend
3. The YCSO took BOTH CP and her mother's vehicles from the scene.
4. CP and her mother took lie detector tests...results unkown to public at this time.
5. Sylar not found at/around campsite by searchers/bloodhounds.
6. Landfill is being searched.
7. Investigation of family members (whose?)

Along with momtective, I am starting to feel something awful happened to Sylar at the hands of his "care"takers. (((vomit)))
I wonder if he misbehaved, or bothered them and their partying...or maybe wouldn't (you name it), nap, sleep, eat, stop yelling...whatever.... I am wondering how hot it was there that night? Because, certainly if he was being a 2 year old during the day, and frustrated someone enough, they could have given him a timeout in the vehicle which could have led to his death due to the heat.
Since they haven't released info about the vehicles, I wonder if they found evidence of something like this in one of the vehicles.
I just have to wonder why LE is searching the landfill....what has led them there? Did they analyze dirt on the tires and found something? Did they find evidence of a body in the vehicle? Did the cadaver dogs alert to the cars?

:(
 
I thought nothing could be worse than hearing about kids being abducted by SOs. But, honestly, I am so sick of hearing about parents (bio, step, adoptive) who cannot seem to take care of a child. For God's sake, if you can't take care of a kid, don't have them, or put them up for adoption using the proper channels so they can (hopefully) get a good home.

This story is disgusting and disturbing on so many levels. What a sad world we live in.
 
kissdegirl said:
So what do we know? Since LE hasn't "said" much....they've still said and done a lot IMO.

Here's what I can come up with off the top of my head.
1. The boy is seen by non-family campers at the campsite (the boy's friend is non-family...did other campers, not with the family see him?)
2. The call came in from the boy...family friend
3. The YCSO took BOTH CP and her mother's vehicles from the scene.
4. CP and her mother took lie detector tests...results unkown to public at this time.
5. Sylar not found at/around campsite by searchers/bloodhounds.
6. Landfill is being searched.
7. Investigation of family members (whose?)

Along with momtective, I am starting to feel something awful happened to Sylar at the hands of his "care"takers. (((vomit)))
I wonder if he misbehaved, or bothered them and their partying...or maybe wouldn't (you name it), nap, sleep, eat, stop yelling...whatever.... I am wondering how hot it was there that night? Because, certainly if he was being a 2 year old during the day, and frustrated someone enough, they could have given him a timeout in the vehicle which could have led to his death due to the heat.
Since they haven't released info about the vehicles, I wonder if they found evidence of something like this in one of the vehicles.
I just have to wonder why LE is searching the landfill....what has led them there? Did they analyze dirt on the tires and found something? Did they find evidence of a body in the vehicle? Did the cadaver dogs alert to the cars?

:(
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We also know that:

1. A predatory attack has been ruled out. No sign of predators near campsite and no sign of blood.

2. RSO's in surrounding areas have been interviewed and some have had their residences searched. In an earlier article (past day or so) LE said that they have had contact with all RSO's in surrounding areas.

3. We also know that Sonar was used in addition to divers in areas of water, including a pond that was too far away logically for Sylar to have traveled.

4. Second call for help came from Camp Host. At approx. 2:30 or so. LE was on scene at 3 AM.

5. IIRC the landfill search was almost completed by the time I went to bed last night (which would have been the wee hours of the morning for those of you on the mainland) now they are searching all diverted trash?
 
Do we know the daytime temp in that area? I think kissdgil is on to something. Assuming there was a big party time camp out. He could have been put in the car as a time out, or time out for them, which ever. Isn't it 20 minutes a child will die in a car in the sun? So whoever had a couple of beers then realized she not got him out of the car. Found him dead. The family seems a brick short. The boy could have just been in shock and was limp. She tosses him in the trash, then starts the bs. LE would now be looking for something that may not even have a smell now. The heat of the past 7 days would have dried the body up (jmo). So now they are looking for a baby doll sized brown,dark skinned leather like in appearance.(jmo) Or she sold the child. Will be interesting to see what kind of money she will be or is spending.
 
Kat said:
We also know that:

1. A predatory attack has been ruled out. No sign of predators near campsite and no sign of blood.

2. RSO's in surrounding areas have been interviewed and some have had their residences searched. In an earlier article (past day or so) LE said that they have had contact with all RSO's in surrounding areas.

3. We also know that Sonar was used in addition to divers in areas of water, including a pond that was too far away logically for Sylar to have traveled.

4. Second call for help came from Camp Host. At approx. 2:30 or so. LE was on scene at 3 AM.

5. IIRC the landfill search was almost completed by the time I went to bed last night (which would have been the wee hours of the morning for those of you on the mainland) now they are searching all diverted trash?
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Great points too, thank you!

I looked at this site, and you can search the weather for the dates in Rimrock, AZ. The high on the 25th (Sunday) was 97.8.
I definitely see a 2 year old, on a hot day in AZ cramping their style and interrupting their partying. I wonder. I just hope they find him...whatever the outcome, and the guilty parties punished severely. Sweet innocent little baby angels don't deserve these horrible things.
http://www.wunderground.com/weather...LAKEM2&day=25&year=2010&month=7&graphspan=day
 
IIRC, didn't another (unrelated) camper see him at 9:30pm? :waitasec:
 
panthera said:
I agree. I can't see a 2 y/o unzipping the tent so quietly that it wouldn't awaken the adults in the tent, one of whom was apparently a light sleeper to say she last saw him in the tent at 12:30am and awoke again at 1:45am and found him missing. MOO
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They had two tents pitched at the campside - so odds are neither was very big. In your basic four or even six person dome tent the floor of the tent, in my experince, end ups covered with sleeping bags, matts, duffel bags, shoes, flashlights, and other stuff. You can't move around easily, A small child couln't just crawl out of a sleeping bag, or out from under covers, and stroll to the door. Nor could a stranger just waltz in, pick up a child, and walk out.
 
palladore said:
They had two tents pitched at the campside - so odds are neither was very big. In your basic four or even six person dome tent the floor of the tent, in my experince, end ups covered with sleeping bags, matts, duffel bags, shoes, flashlights, and other stuff. You can't move around easily, A small child couln't just crawl out of a sleeping bag, or out from under covers, and stroll to the door. Nor could a stranger just waltz in, pick up a child, and walk out.
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I completely agree. In addition, common sense would have one of the adults in the tent blocking the "door" so the toddler couldn't get out. The only way I could see him being abducted would be if he wasn't inside the tent. That is, of course, if he was in the tent with them and not in the other one with the two boys. MOO
 
This just doesn't sound any better. LE is fearing they will find him dead in the landfill, investigating family members, and there were custodial issues involving the mother and TP.

http://www.kvoa.com/news/crews-search-landfill-in-case-of-missing-ariz-boy1/

PHOENIX (AP) - Arizona authorities searching for a toddler missing for a week have been combing through a landfill in hopes of finding some evidence that will lead to the boy and in fear that they might find him dead.

Authorities were still searching for him Saturday, looking for evidence at the landfill, and investigating family members.

Authorities say there are custodial issues involving the boy, his adoptive family and the boy's biological mother.
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kissdegirl said:
So what do we know? Since LE hasn't "said" much....they've still said and done a lot IMO.

Here's what I can come up with off the top of my head.
1. The boy is seen by non-family campers at the campsite (the boy's friend is non-family...did other campers, not with the family see him?)
2. The call came in from the boy...family friend
3. The YCSO took BOTH CP and her mother's vehicles from the scene.
4. CP and her mother took lie detector tests...results unkown to public at this time.
5. Sylar not found at/around campsite by searchers/bloodhounds.
6. Landfill is being searched.
7. Investigation of family members (whose?)

Along with momtective, I am starting to feel something awful happened to Sylar at the hands of his "care"takers. (((vomit)))
I wonder if he misbehaved, or bothered them and their partying...or maybe wouldn't (you name it), nap, sleep, eat, stop yelling...whatever.... I am wondering how hot it was there that night? Because, certainly if he was being a 2 year old during the day, and frustrated someone enough, they could have given him a timeout in the vehicle which could have led to his death due to the heat.
Since they haven't released info about the vehicles, I wonder if they found evidence of something like this in one of the vehicles.
I just have to wonder why LE is searching the landfill....what has led them there? Did they analyze dirt on the tires and found something? Did they find evidence of a body in the vehicle? Did the cadaver dogs alert to the cars?

:(
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BBM

Good point! Just how many non-family campers did see Sylar at the campground?

Just thinking out loud, but if the family friend is the only one, did he really see him at the campground? These are things I'd like to know:

How long has this particular camping trip been planned? Did CP have reservations at this campground or just show up, taking the chance that there would actually be space available?

What did the friend's parents know about the camping trip? Would they have let their son go camping in a remote, fairly desolate area, with 2 women - who might not be able to handle emergencies (ie the boy getting hurt, and having to be "carried" to safety, etc)?

Since 2 vehicles were taken to the campground, did the boy see Sylar loaded into the vehicle he wasn't riding in and then just assumed he was at the campground, too?

Was the boy at CP's house to go camping with them or did one of the vehicles stop at the boy's house to pick him up, while the other one went ahead? If so, did he really know if Sylar was in the other vehicle or just told that?

Did both vehicles arrive at the campground at the same time, or did the one "with" Sylar arrive first, and Sylar was supposedly asleep in the tent when the vehicle with the boy showed up, so the boy wouldn't know for sure if Sylar was even there - but assumed he was (the power of suggestion)?

If the boy never actually saw Sylar at the campground, but thought he had, because everyone said he was there, should LE be focusing their search around Flagstaff, or along the route to Rimrock instead?

And why, if you are camping with a 2 year old boy, would you go to a hotter city where there are only a few campgrounds, when there are a number of campgrounds in Flagstaff, where it's 15 to 20 degrees cooler?

Rimrock's hottest month of the year is July, and the rainiest is August (according to weather.com), so why subject a 2 year old to that heat, instead of staying local?

I hate to say this, but was the real intention of going to Rimrock to set up an excuse for Sylar being gone, knowing that the rainy season was approaching and that any "supposed" evidence would be washed away?

Was Sylar ever truly at that campground, or was he "seen" purely through power of suggestion? Because I can't see that two boys would have wanted to stay close to 2 "old ladies" all day to know for sure if Sylar really was there or not. And did the daughter hang out away with the boys all day?

And finally, was the boy who supposedly shared the tent with CP's son really a friend of the family, or was it someone they met at the campgrounds who made friends with the kids, since the original police report only says that CP was there with her mother, and 3 kids - nothing about the friend?

Just more troubling questions.... :banghead:
 
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