Bahamas - Lindsay Shiver, 36, mom from GA, lover and hitman all charged in Nassau plot to kill husband, 28 July 2023

[Jurisprudence]

I absolutely agree. "... conspiracy to commit murder – an offense which carries a 30 to 60-year prison sentence."

Update: The DM info (above) was reported by Bahamas Court News

Lindsay Shiver, alleged lover, accused hitman denied emergency bail bid - Bahamas Court News

Nassau, BAHAMAS- An American woman, her alleged lover and an accused hitman will remain behind bars for the foreseeable future after their application for emergency bail was denied on Friday. Lindsay Shiver, 36, of Baker’s Bay, Abaco, and Thomasville, George, her alleged lover, Terrance Bethel...

bahamascourtnews.com

"The accused face a potential sentence of 30-60 years in prison if convicted -- the same penalty they'd face if they were found guilty of murder"

jmo

 

[PrairieWind]

All that follows is Moo

He indicates in the February 20th call (linked starting at 7:15) that she was in the Bahamas that weekend, had just come back and it sounds like he's realizing there are big red flags waving. She gets back and immediately cuts off his phone. The fact that she was gone again, returns and does this perhaps gives him a sense she is escalating. He needed to go back to the house but clearly didn't trust what she'd "claim" if he went on his own so he wanted a LE escort to bear witness.

That's what it sounds like to me. The more details like this that come out the more I am beginning to think this was not an impulsive move. It was a plan.

jmo

My question was more about the thumb drive in the mail with the photos. I'm trying to figure that out.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

My question was more about the thumb drive in the mail with the photos. I'm trying to figure that out.

Initially I was thinking it was from the PI RS hired to follow LS or possibly a family member or friend of his that knew LS was up to no good and wanted RS to know but didn't want to be involved. However the more I think about it I think LS could be behind the thumb drive. Maybe it was part of her plan to make his murder look like someone was stalking her and he ended up getting killed. Just a ploy to muddy things up for investigators.

 

[neesaki]

Initially I was thinking it was from the PI RS hired to follow LS or possibly a family member or friend of his that knew LS was up to no good and wanted RS to know but didn't want to be involved. However the more I think about it I think LS could be behind the thumb drive. Maybe it was part of her plan to make his murder look like someone was stalking her and he ended up getting killed. Just a ploy to muddy things up for investigators.

I haven’t thought of that. I initially thought it was his PI or his mothers. But if so, why call the police?
It seems as though he really didn’t know where they came from. And, he said photos of his wife. Did he mean she was alone, and not with the BF ?

 

[Jurisprudence]

My question was more about the thumb drive in the mail with the photos. I'm trying to figure that out.

Complete speculation here but I still think it's her. I think she sent them (or had someone send them for her). It seems to me very plausible that this could have been part of her plan (to set it up for LE to look elsewhere if anything happened to him). Total and complete guess.

#547 #554

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I haven’t thought of that. I initially thought it was his PI or his mothers. But if so, why call the police?
It seems as though he really didn’t know where they came from. And, he said photos of his wife. Did he mean she was alone, and not with the BF ?

Exactly why would he report it came from his PI....just doesn't fit.

I would like to know RS's thoughts on the thumb drive now that he knows his wife had a hit on him.

 

[Imvp2]

Complete speculation here but I still think it's her. I think she sent them (or had someone send them for her). It seems to me very plausible that this could have been part of her plan (to set it up for LE to look elsewhere if anything happened to him). Total and complete guess.

#547 #554

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't believe LS is "the brains" behind anything. My opinion only, LS is on the spectrum with a learning disability that carries A high level of impulsivity with it. She may have a low average IQ and was able to graduate from college with some accommodations. She's naive and has a maturity level of a teenager. A part of this includes not being able to see the forest for the trees. LS had the affair with the BF but had no sense of the effect it would have on her family. It would be interesting to know if she ever was employed post college.
I also noticed LS had a rather flat affect to her person during a snipet of an interview with her after being released on bail. Zero emotion but she mentions car trouble.
The MIL does mention in one of her 911 calls that LS is "on Adderall" and "doesn't know what's all wrong with her".
My opinion, LS was set up, used, etc by the BF, thinking he was going to get a big pay day.
Lastly, I do not think RS is an angel in any way during his marriage. The thumb drive, I'm thinking it was the BF hatching a blackmail scheme.
MOO

 

[neesaki]

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't believe LS is "the brains" behind anything. My opinion only, LS is on the spectrum with a learning disability that carries A high level of impulsivity with it. She may have a low average IQ and was able to graduate from college with some accommodations. She's naive and has a maturity level of a teenager. A part of this includes not being able to see the forest for the trees. LS had the affair with the BF but had no sense of the effect it would have on her family. It would be interesting to know if she ever was employed post college.
I also noticed LS had a rather flat affect to her person during a snipet of an interview with her after being released on bail. Zero emotion but she mentions car trouble.
The MIL does mention in one of her 911 calls that LS is "on Adderall" and "doesn't know what's all wrong with her".
My opinion, LS was set up, used, etc by the BF, thinking he was going to get a big pay day.
Lastly, I do not think RS is an angel in any way during his marriage. The thumb drive, I'm thinking it was the BF hatching a blackmail scheme.
MOO

Re bolded: since the photos were of LS, are you saying to blackmail her?

 

[Charlot123]

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't believe LS is "the brains" behind anything. My opinion only, LS is on the spectrum with a learning disability that carries A high level of impulsivity with it. She may have a low average IQ and was able to graduate from college with some accommodations. She's naive and has a maturity level of a teenager. A part of this includes not being able to see the forest for the trees. LS had the affair with the BF but had no sense of the effect it would have on her family. It would be interesting to know if she ever was employed post college.
I also noticed LS had a rather flat affect to her person during a snipet of an interview with her after being released on bail. Zero emotion but she mentions car trouble.
The MIL does mention in one of her 911 calls that LS is "on Adderall" and "doesn't know what's all wrong with her".
My opinion, LS was set up, used, etc by the BF, thinking he was going to get a big pay day.
Lastly, I do not think RS is an angel in any way during his marriage. The thumb drive, I'm thinking it was the BF hatching a blackmail scheme.
MOO

Truly, we don't know anything and don't have her neuropsychological testing results to comment on her IQ, much less, diagnosis. She was able to get on a cheerleading team, get a nice husband, two kids and a very good life, before it all went downhill. My explanation - why people do well and then suddenly go down the drain mid-life - would be different, but I have no information to make an educated guess. "Kill him" is rather damning, though, and her BF doesn't stand to inherit anything in case her husband dies. So she has to have the best motive of all three. LS clearly cares neither for her kids nor for her husband's business (which she should in case she wanted to get more from a divorce.) Just a stupid situation she herself created.

 

[PrairieWind]

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't believe LS is "the brains" behind anything. My opinion only, LS is on the spectrum with a learning disability that carries A high level of impulsivity with it. She may have a low average IQ and was able to graduate from college with some accommodations. She's naive and has a maturity level of a teenager. A part of this includes not being able to see the forest for the trees. LS had the affair with the BF but had no sense of the effect it would have on her family. It would be interesting to know if she ever was employed post college.
I also noticed LS had a rather flat affect to her person during a snipet of an interview with her after being released on bail. Zero emotion but she mentions car trouble.
The MIL does mention in one of her 911 calls that LS is "on Adderall" and "doesn't know what's all wrong with her".
My opinion, LS was set up, used, etc by the BF, thinking he was going to get a big pay day.
Lastly, I do not think RS is an angel in any way during his marriage. The thumb drive, I'm thinking it was the BF hatching a blackmail scheme.
MOO

Whether she is on the spectrum or not is something we can't possibly know and we should not speculate to that. But please don't associate people on the spectrum with any such generalities associated with this crime.

 

[Imvp2]

Whether she is on the spectrum or not is something we can't possibly know and we should not speculate to that. But please don't associate people on the spectrum with any such generalities associated with this crime.

Thank you for your opinion. This is my opinion
Time will tell all.

 

[Jurisprudence]

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't believe LS is "the brains" behind anything. My opinion only, LS is on the spectrum with a learning disability that carries A high level of impulsivity with it. She may have a low average IQ and was able to graduate from college with some accommodations. She's naive and has a maturity level of a teenager. A part of this includes not being able to see the forest for the trees. LS had the affair with the BF but had no sense of the effect it would have on her family. It would be interesting to know if she ever was employed post college.
I also noticed LS had a rather flat affect to her person during a snipet of an interview with her after being released on bail. Zero emotion but she mentions car trouble.
The MIL does mention in one of her 911 calls that LS is "on Adderall" and "doesn't know what's all wrong with her".
My opinion, LS was set up, used, etc by the BF, thinking he was going to get a big pay day.
Lastly, I do not think RS is an angel in any way during his marriage. The thumb drive, I'm thinking it was the BF hatching a blackmail scheme.
MOO

BBM
I don't think you're being rude (to me). I'm good. I think it's her because I tend not to believe in coincidences of this kind. I definitely don't think she was set up.

jmo.

 

[MyBelle]

Whether she is on the spectrum or not is something we can't possibly know and we should not speculate to that. But please don't associate people on the spectrum with any such generalities associated with this crime.

BBM. I totally agree!

I think her action speaks for itself.
JMO

 

[Chimera]

[All that follows is Moo

He indicates in the February 20th call (linked starting at 7:15) that she was in the Bahamas that weekend, had just come back and it sounds like he's realizing there are big red flags waving. She gets back and immediately cuts off his phone. The fact that she was gone again, returns and does this perhaps gives him a sense she is escalating. He needed to go back to the house but clearly didn't trust what she'd "claim" if he went on his own so he wanted a LE escort to bear witness.

That's what it sounds like to me. The more details like this that come out the more I am beginning to think this was not an impulsive move. It was a plan.]

Snipped by me.

If LE are able to prove premeditation, all the better.

RS deserves to try to piece his life back together and more importantly to keep the children from being manipulated or even harmed by LS.
Omo.

 

[Jurisprudence]

She's not due back in court until October 5th. 2 months hanging out under "house arrest" in the Bahamas. jmo

Lindsay Shiver released on bail after appearing in court

UPDATE: Court TV's Matt Johnson, who's in the Bahamas, said that Lindsay Shiver's husband approved her release, but her family paid her bail.

www.courttv.com

 

[Synergizer Bunny]

My guess is she did it. That it was part of the plan. In his April 12th call to 911 Robert says to dispatch that he thinks they may have a potential stalker, or maybe "there's some lunatic in town following my wife around". It almost seems like she was setting it up so when something happened to Robert, they'd look elsewhere. Just a guess. He filed for divorce a week earlier - he's careful not to accuse her but doesn't sound convinced that there's no way her BF is not in town. Sounds like he thinks he might be. It also strikes me as he is starting to sense danger asking LE to make a few passes by the home overnight.

jmo

At 12:06

I agree with you. My speculation is the three stooges, whose main goal is to get Robert's money and possessions, have plotted his murder and how to get away with it for months. I would not be surprised if much of this plotting happened while they were all high on something.

The thumb drives of photos of LS was thought up by their brainstorming. They wanted to make it look like LS had an obsessed stalker. Then, the stalker killed her husband to get him out of the way.

Why a stalker would send two thumbs drives to the husband and to the in-law's seems apparent on its face. It is to set up an alibi for Lindsay. I bet none of the photos were of her and her boyfriend. The thumb drive scenario was to convince all of them that LS was not involved, and it must have been this stalker who sent those thumb drives!

I'm assuming the photos were of her in Bahamas. Were they of her in Georgia? There are all sorts of problems with this alibi. I mean, someone local put them in a mailbox and didn't mail them? Why put one in the MIL's mailbox?

If the drives only had photos of Lindsay in Georgia, is the stalker going to travel to the Bahamas to kill the husband? Yeah, right. If the stalker is in the Bahamas, who hand-delivered the thumb drives?

Thumb drives are a red herring. Just glad that it was unraveled after the fact.
The drives can be used to establish premeditation.

Note: What initially drew my interest to this case is my stepson/DIL being at Auburn the same time as RS.

All just my opinion!!

 

[Charlot123]

From the article:

“Newly unearthed records show Robert Shiver and his pageant queen wife….”

“When it was Lindsay's turn to call cops, the former cheerleader…”

“The stay-at-home mom, wearing green yoga pants and a $60 Lululemon shirt…”

“The petite blonde housewife….”

I expect no less from the DM, but let’s take a break from the unnecessary adjectives here, good lord! Wasn’t she a “pageant queen” in high school and a cheerleader in college? That’s what 15-20 years ago now — she’s being accused of murder for hire, I don’t care how much her shirt is, what size she is, or what glam activities she did a decade+ ago. Ugh, it just really ruffles my feathers!

The article was interesting though - I am curious what types of drugs, if any, she was using, and if there were other signs of mental illness (others than what the in laws say). Would love to hear more from her friends and her side of the fam.

All JMO!

MOO - "How to royally mess up your pampered life 101" is too mundane. Hence, come the money, the villas and the jets. And also, "a former pageant queen" or "model looks" to spice up the story. Another dumb reality show, sorry.

 

[DeDee]

I don't mean to be rude, but I don't believe LS is "the brains" behind anything.

Lindsay was the one who needed R dead. Bahamas set her cash bail high and with steep release restrictions.

My opinion only, LS is on the spectrum with a learning disability that carries A high level of impulsivity with it. She may have a low average IQ and was able to graduate from college with some accommodations.

Yes, but why would a learning disability have anything to do with capability of hiring a killer for her husband's demise?

She's naive and has a maturity level of a teenager.

Some of her SM seems childish almost as she was growing up with her young children and playing the games they liked to play. She even had R making family tiktok vids.

A part of this includes not being able to see the forest for the trees.

Is being selfish a mental disorder? Maybe LS just wanted what she wanted by gosh and nobody would get in her way. Not even R. I certainly think Lindsay realized she could go to prison when she sent the KIll Him order. She did not care because satisfying her own self greed was paramount.

LS had the affair with the BF but had no sense of the effect it would have on her family.

It seems the affair was much longer than a one night stand. It was at least since Feb. to July if not longer. She was flaming it by Feb tho, according to 911 calls. She did not care. She was determined to find a way to make it work with Bethel. IMO

It would be interesting to know if she ever was employed post college.

Interesting thought and my guess would be she's never once held a job but was once crowned Ms Peanut Queen.

I also noticed LS had a rather flat affect to her person during a snipet of an interview with her after being released on bail. Zero emotion but she mentions car trouble.

Isn't that just Lindsay's resting pouty face? We see it when she's in the garage of her home on July 16 when cop cam shows her pouting/brooding with a hand on her hip. Me, me, me, me and my car.

The MIL does mention in one of her 911 calls that LS is "on Adderall" and "doesn't know what's all wrong with her".

It seems all 4 of the adults around LS, at the time, were concerned she may be having a breakdown or experiencing a mental crisis because she was throwing her life and 3 boys away for a native island bartender. They felt her actions were erratic and unpredictable. They were right. She wanted to charge R with DV in retaliation for him finding out about her affair with the bartender bc she knew she was risking custody of the 3 boys. When that didn't work, she ordered a hired hit on Robert. JMO

My opinion, LS was set up, used, etc by the BF, thinking he was going to get a big pay day.
Lastly, I do not think RS is an angel in any way during his marriage. The thumb drive, I'm thinking it was the BF hatching a blackmail scheme.
MOO

 

[neesaki]

Lindsay was the one who needed R dead. Bahamas set her cash bail high and with steep release restrictions.

Yes, but why would a learning disability have anything to do with capability of hiring a killer for her husband's demise?

Some of her SM seems childish almost as she was growing up with her young children and playing the games they liked to play. She even had R making family tiktok vids.

Is being selfish a mental disorder? Maybe LS just wanted what she wanted by gosh and nobody would get in her way. Not even R. I certainly think Lindsay realized she could go to prison when she sent the KIll Him order. She did not care because satisfying her own self greed was paramount.

It seems the affair was much longer than a one night stand. It was at least since Feb. to July if not longer. She was flaming it by Feb tho, according to 911 calls. She did not care. She was determined to find a way to make it work with Bethel. IMO

Interesting thought and my guess would be she's never once held a job but was once crowned Ms Peanut Queen.

Isn't that just Lindsay's resting pouty face? We see it when she's in the garage of her home on July 16 when cop cam shows her pouting/brooding with a hand on her hip. Me, me, me, me and my car.

It seems all 4 of the adults around LS, at the time, were concerned she may be having a breakdown or experiencing a mental crisis because she was throwing her life and 3 boys away for a native island bartender. They felt her actions were erratic and unpredictable. They were right. She wanted to charge R with DV in retaliation for him finding out about her affair with the bartender bc she knew she was risking custody of the 3 boys. When that didn't work, she ordered a hired hit on Robert. JMO

Agree with you. And that RS refused to let her have a free ride on the private jet with him and the boys, so she could run off and see her boy toy really infuriated her.
Just think what she was putting her innocent boys through, with seemingly no care in the world for their emotional pain and wellbeing. She makes my blood boil.

 

[Kakidoll]

Not sure where to put this... but Court TV announced RS is dating Savannah Chrisley.... from Realty TV. Savannah Chrisley Spotted with New Love Robert Shiver After News She's Dating Alleged Murder Scheme Survivor