Bosma Murder Trial 03.01.16 - Day 17

[Kamille]

Millard's lawyer Ravin Pillay now cross examining.
by Adam Carter 11:43 AM

Pillay asks if the test needed to make DNA profiles is very sensitive, Sloots says yes.
by Adam Carter 11:44 AM

A nanogram is needed for DNA testing, and there are one billion nanograms in a gram, Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 11:45 AM

"We have special equipment to measure those amounts of DNA," Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 11:46 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 56s57 seconds ago
Second glove Millard and Noudga. Third glove just Noudga. #Bosma...now cross by Ravin Pillay for Millard.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 54s55 seconds ago
Ravin Pillay is now cross examining Sloots

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 51s51 seconds ago
Pillay asking how much of a sample is needed for testing. Smash Smartie into a billion pieces, one piece would be a nanogram.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 44s44 seconds ago
Pillay asking about DNA testing, about minute amounts they are dealing with. #Bosma

 

[ArianeEmory]

Next: "Do you agree that my client left his DNA out in the open and made no attempt to hide it?"

/sarcasm

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 19s19 seconds ago
Nanogram can be tested for DNA. Too small for naked eye...Pillay establishing potential for DNA contamination is great.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 20s21 seconds ago
A nanogram is needed for DNA testing--one billionth of a gram. Picture a smarties candy smashed into a billion pieces. One of those. #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

The quality insurance protocols at the lab are there to minimize cross contamination as much as possible, Sloots says. "The potential for the contamination is great and it's recognized in your lab?" Pillay asks. "Correct," Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 11:47 AM

DNA can last thousands of years in certain environments in the right conditions, Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 11:47 AM

Bosma's DNA was not found on the bag seized from Millard's home, but Millard's DNA could not be excluded from the bag. A small stain of blood was also detected. "You didn't test whether it was human blood or not?" Pillay asks. "We did not," Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 11:48 AM

This bag is actually separate from the satchel that was found in Millard's Yukon SUV.
by Adam Carter 11:49 AM

Blood was not detected on the satchel that was found in Millard's SUV, Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 11:50 AM

 

[Ontario Mom]

The quality insurance protocols at the lab are there to minimize cross contamination as much as possible, Sloots says. "The potential for the contamination is great and it's recognized in your lab?" Pillay asks. "Correct," Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 11:47 AM

DNA can last thousands of years in certain environments in the right conditions, Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 11:47 AM

Bosma's DNA was not found on the bag seized from Millard's home, but Millard's DNA could not be excluded from the bag. A small stain of blood was also detected. "You didn't test whether it was human blood or not?" Pillay asks. "We did not," Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 11:48 AM

Why wouldn't they? Doesn't it seem like once it was established that it was blood, the next step would be further testing to determine if human, then who's blood it was??

 

[Kamille]

Pillay asking about if Sloots can say how someone's DNA came to be on something."You cannot determine how the DNA got there?" Pillay says. "Fair," Sloots says. "I can't get into the mechanism of how it was deposited."
by Adam Carter 11:51 AM

DNA can be transferred from another person, Sloots says. If you shake someone's hand and then touch a doorknob, their DNA can be transferred to the doorknob.
by Adam Carter 11:52 AM

Sloots also can't say exactly when DNA was deposited onto an item.
by Adam Carter 11:52 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 19s20 seconds ago
No #Bosma DNA found on Diesel bag. Found small blood stain, can't say it was human blood.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 4s5 seconds ago
Re: canvas bag seized, Pillay says Millard's DNA (well, DNA he cannot be excluded from having sourced) was found on that. Yes, Sloots says.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
Also tested satchel seized from Millard's Yukon during arrest.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
They didn't test the small blood stain on that bag to determine whether or not it was human, Sloots agrees. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 3m3 minutes ago
No blood detected on satchel from Yukon.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 2m2 minutes ago
Sloots cannot determine how a stain was made.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 2m2 minutes ago
When you find DNA on an item, you can't determine how it got there right? Correct, Sloots says. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
Sloots says when he finds DNA on an item he has no idea how it got there.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 1m1 minute ago
In other words, Just because someone's DNA is on something doesn't mean they touched it.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 1m1 minute ago
P: So you can't say whether through primary or secondary or tertiary transfer? Correct, Sloots says. #Bosma

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 1m1 minute ago
He can't know if DNA donor had contact with item or if it was secondary transfer through another person/object. Or when deposited. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 59s60 seconds ago
(Aka just because it's there doesn't mean the source ever actually touched the item) #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 24s24 seconds ago
The test also when say when the DNA was deposited, though that can be extrapolated in some cases using other evidence.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 40s40 seconds ago
If there are multiple donors to sample, tests don't tell what order or when they were deposited. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 32s32 seconds ago
Tests don't explain how, when or in what order DNA was deposited when multiple sources are found.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 8s8 seconds ago
PIllay: So when there are multiple contributors your tests can't tell you when each of them deposited the DNA? Sloots agrees. #Bosma

 

[Kamille]

When there are multiple contributors to a DNA sample on an item, tests don't tell scientists when they were passed onto the item, or in what order, Sloots says.
by Adam Carter 11:55 AM

Smich's lawyer Thomas Dungey now cross examining. Asks about where the two bags came from -- the satchel was from Millard's truck, while the second bag at Millard's home was found in a washing machine.
by Adam Carter 11:56 AM

Sloots is done. The next witness is George Higgins.
by Adam Carter 11:57 AM

 

[SnooperDuper]

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 19s20 seconds ago
Pillay is done. Now Dungey for Smich. Clarifying there were 2 satchels: 1 from Millard washing machine, 1 from Millard Yukon...Sloots done.

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 29s30 seconds ago
Cross examination now finished.

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 15s16 seconds ago
Dungey up now for cross. Clarifies that there were two bags seized and tested. The first, a satchel, was seized from Millard's Yukon. #Bosma

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 22s22 seconds ago
The next witness for the Crown is George Higgins

 

[Kamille]

Why wouldn't they? Doesn't it seem like once it was established that it was blood, the next step would be further testing to determine if human, then who's blood it was??

Apparently it was found freshly washed in the washing machine so there would be no point.

MOO

 

[SnooperDuper]

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 13s13 seconds ago
The second, the canvas diesel bag (which they were discussing today re: bloodstain) was seized from washing machine at Millard's home #Bosma

Lisa Hepfner ‏@HefCHCHNews 38s38 seconds ago
Forensic biologist has finished testimony. Next #Bosma witness: George Higgins, retired #HamOnt officer

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 40s41 seconds ago
Now up: George Higgins from @HamiltonPolice. Retired detective constable. Was in intelligence unit. #Bosma

molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 20s21 seconds ago
Next up is (now retired) Det Const George Higgins, formerly of @HamiltonPolice intelligence unit. #Bosma

 

[SnooperDuper]

Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 24s24 seconds ago
Higgins is a retired hamilton police officer who was working in intelligence in May of 2013 during the #TimBosma investigation.

Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 24s25 seconds ago
Notes from May 10-22, 2013 being allowed.

 

[CJPRINCESS]

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Mar 1 2016 11:56 AM

Smich's lawyer Thomas Dungey now cross examining. Asks about where the two bags came from -- the satchel was from Millard's truck, while the second bag at Millard's home was found in a washing machine.

Sorry Pillay, don't think your cross contamination theory works now!! High 5 to MS lawyer lol

 

[Kamille]

Higgins is a retired Det. Const. from Hamilton police.
by Adam Carter 11:58 AM

Higgins dealt with the Bosma case up until May 22, 2013.
by Adam Carter 11:59 AM

Fraser asking about May 10, 2013, which is when Millard was arrested.
by Adam Carter 12:00 PM

On that date, Higgins was surveilling Millard. He was told to go to the hangar in Kitchener for surveillance. But they picked him up on Highway 401, going east, at 5:08 p.m.
by Adam Carter 12:01 PM

They followed him to 50 Spears Road in Oakville. "Later we found out that Mark Smich was living there from time to time," Higgins says.
by Adam Carter 12:02 PM





***that is probably 30 Spears Rd? MM's address?

 

[Ontario Mom]

Apparently it was found freshly washed in the washing machine so there would be no point.

MOO

I missed that it had been washed. Hmm...

 

[CJPRINCESS]

I missed that it had been washed. Hmm...

MS lawyers cross exam told us this

 

[Kamille]

Millard left the area at 7:19 p.m. He was there for 50 minutes or so, Spears says.
by Adam Carter 12:03 PM

Higgins says he stood by with the Yukon after Millard was arrested, and escorted it back with a tow truck to Hamilton.
by Adam Carter 12:05 PM

Higgins says he helped get it down off a flatbed, and then he put seals on the doors.
by Adam Carter 12:05 PM

"All the doors were secure and sealed," he says.
by Adam Carter 12:05 PM

Higgins was also involved with searching Millard when he was arrested, and found cash in his pocket. "There was a small bank envelope that contained cash," he says. It was $3,000.
by Adam Carter 12:07 PM

Higgins was also involved with Smich's surveillance. He took photos of Smich -- court is seeing them now.
by Adam Carter 12:08 PM

 

[meterclicks]

MS lawyers cross exam told us this

He didn't say washed, he said found. Obviously Sloots wouldn't know if it had been washed or not. But the assumption would be that it was considering where it was found. (Just adding)