I've sat in court a few times & DM is left handed, MS is right handed...at least while they're writing in court.
Ahh, so that makes a left handed fling of the phone, out the drivers window, over the roof of the truck, into the yard more plausible!
I've sat in court a few times & DM is left handed, MS is right handed...at least while they're writing in court.
Even though in a perfect world they would have all been singing right from the get go, DM was pretty smart that he had them all involved in his criminal activities- even if it was just standing a mile down the road holding a walkie talkie. DM still had them involved. So, I imagine that when this all went down, they felt the need to clam up big time. When you're in your late teens and early twenties, you don't want to be the snitch. If I had to use my mother skills, I'd say they went super quiet when DM was arrested on the Friday for abducting TB and stealing the truck. Several days later when they laid murder charges, I imagine that they were sent scrambling. This young bunch who were just going on missions with DM were now hearing that TB was found at DM's farm, burned and that there was an incinerator involved. IMO, that's when things got really crazy for them. Even though they initially lied and attempted to cover things up for DM & MS, I give them all credit for getting legal counsel and providing LE with accurate statements. MOOFunny how all of the azzholes lied in their statements until the charges were upgraded to murder, then ***** got real!!!!
AM works in the construction trade. Wonder what this will do for his credibility on the job site. It sounds like a lot of this was just for the sake of taking something because they could.
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IMO Mr. BD is probably doing what his lawyer has advised, and he may have some unmentioned deal to say what he has. Obviously, he doesn't want to incriminate himself more than already.
Ahh, so that makes a left handed fling of the phone, out the drivers window, over the roof of the truck, into the yard more plausible!
Agreed, although a small percentage of the population are ambidextrous. Then there are people like my son who writes with his left, eats with his right, throws with his right, shoots left in hockey. My son may be messed up lol
Originally Posted by SnooperDuper
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12s12 seconds ago
Matt spoke to police May 14 & 15 at his home. His dad was there. May 22 talked to police again at house. May 30 talked to cops at lawyer's.
Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 29s30 seconds ago
Hagarmen talked to police several times. May -14-15-22-30. That last meeting was w @calvinberry @AM900CHML #TimBosma
molly hayes ‏@mollyhayes 26s27 seconds ago
That final mtg was at a lawyer's office. Hagerman's father had retained the lawyer after he told him what happened. #Bosma
Colin Butler ‏@ColinButlerCBC 12s12 seconds ago
On the May 31 meeting Hagerman's dad retained a lawyer Calvin Barry because police were suspicious. #Bosma
Shannon Martin ‏@ShannonMartinTV now Mississauga, Ontario
Hagerman says he wasn't truthful when he spoke to police in mid-May 2013
Susan Clairmont ‏@susanclairmont 12s12 seconds ago
Matt's father hired lawyer. Says police were "suspicious" of his involvement with #Bosma case. Says he was only truthful in final statement.
Funny how all of the azzholes lied in their statements until the charges were upgraded to murder, then ***** got real!!!!
It doesn't mean the Daly phone called the Bate phone.
It simply means that Daly had a WIND phone.
The only production orders for WIND were for the Bate phone and Daly's phone.
Everyone else used Rogers and Bell so the production orders on their phones went to Rogers or Bell.
Legally, deals cannot be kept private. There are no hidden secret plea deals..
Even though in a perfect world they would have all been singing right from the get go, DM was pretty smart that he had them all involved in his criminal activities- even if it was just standing a mile down the road holding a walkie talkie. DM still had them involved. So, I imagine that when this all went down, they felt the need to clam up big time. When you're in your late teens and early twenties, you don't want to be the snitch. If I had to use my mother skills, I'd say they went super quiet when DM was arrested on the Friday for abducting TB and stealing the truck. Several days later when they laid murder charges, I imagine that they were sent scrambling. This young bunch who were just going on missions with DM were now hearing that TB was found at DM's farm, burned and that there was an incinerator involved. IMO, that's when things got really crazy for them. Even though they initially lied and attempted to cover things up for DM & MS, I give them all credit for getting legal counsel and providing LE with accurate statements. MOO
In light of the new meaning for the word "grab", the statement by DM to not come to the hangar that day not even just to grab something looks more interesting.
I suspect he may have wanted to leave the yellow toolbox only with Hagerman because he may have been the only one that didn't salivate at the sight of it. And I don't see how it could have passed through so many hands with people taking stuff out unless everyone had keys, which would be pointless.
And another thing, this case of the gun being disposed of is an example of the media triggering the loss of evidence before LE could get to it.
I think we all have assumed MS was behind TB. He was not for the Igor test drive and SB didn't state where, just the back seat.
Tumanenko got behind the wheel of his own truck, the tall guy beside him and the short guy behind the driver’s seat as they set out for a spin. Then Tumanenko pulled over and let the tall guy drive.
http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news...case-as-tim-bosma-murder-trial-continues.html
She described a tall man and a shorter one walk down the long driveway at their home, talk to Bosma, and the tall one got in the driver’s side while Bosma got in the passenger seat. The shorter one got in the back. The pulled out and headed north and she never saw him again.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2489224/t...ccused-killers-of-hamilton-man-begins-monday/
• Feb 1 2016 4:27 PM
The man who was on the phone got into the driver's seat, Bosma got in on the passenger side, and then the third man got in behind Bosma.
IMO he can't be smart enough or strong enough to unlock and load a bobcat in the dark on his own. We aren't hearing who his "mechanics" were. Or is this why he was shown how to change a starter. Or did SS say that so when it came out the bobcat was moved, the jury would think DM changed the starter himself?
I guess the safest is to say IMO. I am struggling with just using this forum with threads etc....let alone attaching a link. That is too technical for me at this point in time. There is a learning curve involved with me.
This was previously discussed and I thought there were exceptions. I'm not a lawyer so fail to understand how someone can testify as to their part in stealing vehicles and not then be charged for admission of guilt? I would think they'd have to be told they were safe to testify.
Self-crimination
13. A witness who testifies in any proceedings has the right not to have any incriminating evidence so given used to incriminate that witness in any other proceedings, except in a prosecution for perjury or for the giving of contradictory evidence.
DM stole the Bobcat while WM was still alive. I wonder what WM had to say about that? (He didn't have long to say it; he was dead the next month.)
Funny how all of the azzholes lied in their statements until the charges were upgraded to murder, then ***** got real!!!!
I had to go back to the Crown's OS because there is just too much being said that confuses me, lol. So, here we go:
http://www.annrbrocklehurst.com/2016/02/tim-bosma-trial-the-crowns-opening-statement.html
After the arrest of Mr. Millard, Mr. Smich obtained possession of the toolbox from mutual friends of the two Accused. Mr. Smich was aware of the arrest of Mr. Millard and he took steps to gain control and possession of the locked toolbox.