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I certainly hope he is not bothering the family.
Being in the same room would bother the family, I'm sure!!!
I certainly hope he is not bothering the family.
Haha, this is exactly why I keep harping on this issue. There are three possibilities here:
- She's making up a story. Is there any incentive for her to do so? The defense will surely be all over her, right?
- She's correct and Millard's picture was in fact shown on the news on Friday, May 10. However, most people are certain that Millard's name didn't come out until the 11th.
- Her memory of the events is blurry and she didn't actually see his face on the TV until a later date.
Which do you think is most plausible?
Is the consensus that this part of Meneses's testimony is 1) a lie, or 2) a misrecollection? I was hoping somebody here would recall hearing about Millard's arrest on the Friday night (May 10), but most people seem pretty convinced that there was absolutely no announcement until the next day. I personally cannot remember, nor can I find a good source about the news coming out on the 10th.
What bothers me about this is that Meneses's testimony fits so well into the timeline, and something alerted Smich to start calling Michalski about getting the drugs out of Maple Gate. And in all of the testimony we heard, there was no mention of Noudga or anyone else reaching out to Smich to tell him that Millard was arrested. If there was no news until Saturday, I'd like to understand how Smich found out, and why Meneses is lying/misremembering.
Haha, this is exactly why I keep harping on this issue. There are three possibilities here:
- She's making up a story. Is there any incentive for her to do so? The defense will surely be all over her, right?
- She's correct, and Millard's picture was in fact shown on the news on Friday, May 10. However, most people are certain that Millard's name didn't come out until the 11th.
- Her memory of the events is blurry and she didn't actually see his face on the TV until a later date.
Which do you think is most plausible?
"They just told me they were going for a test drive and might steal a truck."
by Adam Carter 11:02 AM
"I already told them they shouldn't go, but nobody listened to me," she says.
by Adam Carter 11:02 AM
"I said some things to him to try to change his mind, but nothing changed his mind."
by Adam Carter 11:03 AM
Haha, this is exactly why I keep harping on this issue. There are three possibilities here:
- She's making up a story. Is there any incentive for her to do so? The defense will surely be all over her, right?
- She's correct and Millard's picture was in fact shown on the news on Friday, May 10. However, most people are certain that Millard's name didn't come out until the 11th.
- Her memory of the events is blurry and she didn't actually see his face on the TV until a later date.
Which do you think is most plausible?
I don't think MM is lying. Her testimony seems to coincide with AM's testimony.
I also recall there was at least one report of a neighbour saying that LE had been at the Roseville farm since Friday (didn't say what time). After DM was arrested on Cawthra, I suspect he was allowed a phone call (whether to MB, CN, lawyer), and that started the word spreading like lightning.
From SC's tweet summary starting at line 3709:
Both 'your friend' and not using the short form imply a sense of distance. Lots of reason for it. There didn't seem to be particular closeness with DM, or with his girlfriend. MM didn't feel respected by him and probably with cause ("Marlena's a child"..) There may have even been a sense of jealousy or discomfort with the closeness of the relationship between MS and DM given the way she described MS being in love with him.
If MM is intentionally lying about seeing DM on the news on May 10, what does that accomplish for anyone? I mean, she's pretty much admitted she knew they were going to steal a truck, she's admitted she knew Tim was murdered, she's admitted she should have gone to the police and didn't.
I feel like she is weirdly being held to a higher standard here than "the boys" (AM, MH, SS) were, even though she was practically a baby compared to them, especially SS. Let's not do that.
I don't think MM is lying. Her testimony seems to coincide with AM's testimony.
I also recall there was at least one report of a neighbour saying that LE had been at the Roseville farm since Friday (didn't say what time). After DM was arrested on Cawthra, I suspect he was allowed a phone call (whether to MB, CN, lawyer), and that started the word spreading like lightning.
From SC's tweet summary starting at line 3709:
I don't know if MM is lying or simply mis-remembering. However, would it be in her statement that she gave just 2 weeks after the fact? I can understand mis-remembering after 3 years, but at just 2 weeks out she'd know exactly what day it was. Yet, I can't reconcile her statement with what was in the MSM at the time. Nor can I discount it since the phone records actually do reconcile with what she's said.
I do have a hunch though, that the cross by the defense is going to be all over this if in fact the media did NOT report of his arrest until the Saturday. For no other reason than to present her to the jury as an unreliable witness.
moo
I don't think MM was arrested. I believe SC's recent, direct, clear post over a passing word AC's article.
(Susan Clairmont via Twitter) Pillay asking about Smich's utterance to Meneses. Both under arrest at the time. Smich yelling to her:"Don't tell them anything babe."
Was MS telling MM that he wasn't in or near the truck when DM shot TB? That's what I'm taking away from this. MS was driving the Yukon when TB was shot? MOO.
I also have a feeling that MM isn't lying, but it's peculiar how conveniently wrong she is about seeing Millard's face on TV on May 10.
If Millard contacted his lawyer (or anyone else) shortly after being arrested, one of his first instructions could have been to notify Smich immediately. And, Millard would would have been able to notify them that Smich could only be reached through Meneses's phone at that time. I think this is a very plausible explanation as to how Smich was notified, but it still leaves me wondering: why would Meneses provide a completely different explanation?
Fraser now resuming his questions.
by Adam Carter 11:46 AM
Fraser now showing her one of her police statement's from April 16 of this year to refresh her memory.
by Adam Carter 11:48 AM
This was part of the witness preparation process.
by Adam Carter 11:48 AM
Haha, this is exactly why I keep harping on this issue. There are three possibilities here:
- She's making up a story. Is there any incentive for her to do so? The defense will surely be all over her, right?
- She's correct and Millard's picture was in fact shown on the news on Friday, May 10. However, most people are certain that Millard's name didn't come out until the 11th.
- Her memory of the events is blurry and she didn't actually see his face on the TV until a later date.
Which do you think is most plausible?