Bosma Murder Trial 05.11.16 - Day 47 - Smich Defence commences

[Claroon]

Returning to the truck bed. So there are two explanations.
1. Chairs, carpets, other sources of secondary blood2.
2. Body was put as an intermediate step to the incinerator.

3. - Blood of the 3rd person also murdered who drove the Yukon. lol but not really. That is why there is no 3rd person. I hope they know Arthur's whereabouts. IMO

 

[Alethea Dice]

So what is the new evidence ? Assuming that all parties had access to the police statements and assuming that Smich's police statement matches his testimony, where is the new evidence ?

So how would this work ? This trial goes to completion, complete with a verdict and sentencing and then DM applies to have it reopened after the fact for another verdict and sentencing ? And if DM injects a bunch of new evidence, then MS can apply to have it opened again ?

I'd like to see the judge allow DM to testify at this trial, before the verdict. I think MS should stop and DM should be put on the stand at this point.

Sooner or later one of these idiots is going to implicate CN deeper into this mess.

Let the good times roll ! By the time this is all done, all three of the main characters (DM, CN, and MS) will get life and the rest will get smaller sentences.

I think that only means he could testify in this trial, not a new one. DM's case was "closed" when he chose not to present evidence. That's what he could re-open. JMO

 

[Elisabeth]

I'm not sure if this has been posted about as I haven't had a chance to read everything after they finished for the day:

If both DM & MS knew that MS was going to be dropped off at the Yukon in order to follow behind DM and Tim, why wouldn't DM just give MS the keys when they exited the Yukon for their short walk to Tim's home? Why leave the keys behind? It makes me believe that it was DM's plan for MS to get out and into the Yukon and it was unexpected on MS's part (as he testified). I'd like to know if MS was surprised that DM put the keys in the cup holder and if it's something DM did frequently.

If it happened that way, I think it must have been spur of the moment. Otherwise it would have made more sense to have MS waiting in the Yukon. The idea of their friend circling back seems weak.

 

[Claroon]

me thinks you like to say me thinks.

"And why did DM hide the trailer at his mothers ? Why didn't he park it at an RV storage place where it wouldn't be conspicuous, especially if it was going to contain something hot ? Me thinks he didn't ever plan for it to contain something hot. Me thinks putting TB's truck in the trailer was a backup plan."

MS testified that when they returned to the hangar in the light of day...(on the 9th I believe) there was some "discussion" that had Millard scared that AJ had called the cops on them, so it was reactive/rushed to get the truck away.

He took it to mommy just as my cat brought me a chipmunk today. IMO

 

[Dutchman]

Some questions. 1) thought the incinerator had a large door on the bottom, to easy load larger animals? 2) did (sorry this sound so wrong) Pedo help with the clean up? 3) MS had no "flight or fight" response after such a horrible event? 4) is it easy to spin a story to support the evidence already presented?

 

[don_quixote]

Please correct me where I am wrong in the following sequence.

1) All three get in the truck. DM in the drivers seat, TB in the passenger seat, and MS in the back.
2) They drive some distance, and DM abruptly brakes and says their friend could not find Tim Hortons. How did he know? Was he on the phone faking it?
3) DM tells them he is back at Bosma's (This is where the script goes sour according to MS)
4) They drive back to Bosma's (lane next to his property) and DM tells MS to get into the Yukon with their imaginary friend and follow them to Tim Hortons. This way they did not need to come back after the test drive.
5) MS does, and the next time DM pulls over, TB has been shot.

I am hearing many stories on the news. I went back over today's tweets, and this seems to be the sequence.

Comments? I want to get MS's story straight, true or not.

MOO

2) MS said DM pulled the phone at the end of the drive way and said the friend came back and they are gonna fo meet him
3) It wasn't the lane in front, it's at the field entrance just 100m east off Trinity/Book on Book
4) I don't recall MS saying they'd drive to TH, just so that they don't have to come back after the test drive
5) They drove straight to Bobcat in Brantford. MS was referring to that stop when he discovered that Tim Bosma was killed.

 

[SnooperDuper]

Are we sure about that? Didn't one of DM's letters say that MS got himself arrested by trying to put all the blame on him? Coincidence? I guess his statement could have just been that DM did it and he wasn't even there.

“Poor Andrew, **** his pants and spilled his guts. And treacherous Mark; got himself charged by trying to put it on me. These are the most lethal pieces currently played against me…

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...y-treated-me-as-though-i-were-hannibal-lecter

Not a lot of detail. MS did spill a lot to MM (where he did blame DM) and she totally spilled. That might be what he's referencing.

 

[don_quixote]

Thanks
So did this happen at the end of the driveway. I thought they drove past the Super Soaker and then turned back?

It wasn't claimed by Plaxton and according to MS, they didn't.

 

[Tealgrove]

He took it to mommy just as my cat brought me a chipmunk today. IMO

:great:

 

[brightii]

I was thinking about MS's testimony and wondering if it is very calculated and if it could actually help DM in a roundabout way, IMO. Perhaps the strategy is that both blame the other to such an extent that the jury will be so confused and therefore have reasonable doubt about both and then neither of them will be convicted?

Maybe it's just me, but my head is spinning with all the details and it's so tough to figure it all out, IMO, but maybe that's precisely what DM and MS and CN are hoping for in this case? If DM and MS and CN and company all conspired together, after TB's murder but before DM's arrest, and came up with a plan, a "mission" if you will, and decided to each tell specific stories and stick to a script in the event that DM or MS were caught, they may have figured that together they could outfox LE and the jury if it came down to it? It would be a masterpiece of a plan, the ultimate mission if it could work, and if not they'd be no worse off for having tried, IMO. They could succeed in their mission by adding to the doubt and confusion about their involvement in the theft and murder of TB by putting forth opposing or competing theories via witness testimony? DM glaring at MS could all be an act? Maybe they believed they were smarter than LE and the Crown prosecutors who would have a hard time pinning the crime definitively on one or the other, IMO. All the witnesses including MS and DM (if he was to testify) would have to do is blame each other and conveniently forget a lot of what happened - and that would be anything that could not be proven by evidence - have alternate explanations for the meaning of texts, and no matter how outlandish a story they were prepared to tell (thinking here of DM's letters and CN's testimony) their wicked minds were determined to make a sick game of the trial with the ingenious objective of them both securing acquittals, IMO.

The reason I wonder about such a zany possibility is that I believe this group was a criminal sub-culture unto themselves who had no real meaning or purpose in their lives, who rejected societies rules and expectations of them and gladly rebelled against law and order and preferred to live on their own terms, IMO. Therefore they did anything they liked for kicks and excitement, they regularly relied on drugs (use and sales) and drinking and video games and movies with a known gun dealer and escorts and conducted occasional theft missions when the mood struck DM's fancy, and they did all this as adults who had never matured and had no plans to in the near future, IMO. And they did things without conscience or care in order to escape life's responsibilities and to feel alive, IMO. Then the escapades they were all involved in became routine over time, so they got ratcheted up and escalated to include violence to experience their twisted thrills that ordinary life could never compete with, IMO. I'm thinking here of how DM texted AM when DM said that from now on the missions would be dangerous and that they'd just take what they wanted, IMO. IIRC, AM replied that he was down for that, IMO. They all showed no respect for themselves, no respect for their own property or the property of others, no appreciation of the value of life or their own lives or the lives of others, no belief in a higher power from what I can tell, and I see them all as bonded together as a deviant underground family of misfits for better or for worse, IMO.

I know such a plan may seem preposterous, but this crime and all the details I've heard about to date leave me wondering about so many possibilities. I hope the jury finds both DM and MS guilty but I worry about the outcome and I likely will until I hear the final verdicts, IMO. Maybe this has just been another long day and I'm needing sleep to restore my perspective.

All MOO.

 

[Jug Up]

Thanks

Millard hit the brakes, and said his friend couldn't find Tim Hortons and he was around the corner. Then they drove around the corner.
by Adam Carter 12:28 PM

So did this happen at the end of the driveway. I thought they drove past the Super Soaker and then turned back?

I was confused on this as well. I know the Yukon was seen driving north south on Trinity past the Super Sucker at 8:46. Was it not seen going north around 9:05, presumably on the test drive, and then coming south again a few minutes later before being seen going north again at 9:20?

Can anyone clarify?

 

[THXGuru]

MS testimony is pretty much irrelevant and unreliable. The jury heard that MS has four criminal convictions, one pending, and the current TB charges. What he has to say will not make any difference. Both are guilty of first degree, no doubt about it in any way.

 

[don_quixote]

Some questions. 1) thought the incinerator had a large door on the bottom, to easy load larger animals? 2) did (sorry this sound so wrong) Pedo help with the clean up? 3) MS had no "flight or fight" response after such a horrible event? 4) is it easy to spin a story to support the evidence already presented?

1) That's a clean-out hatch
2) Ask him (C) Noudga

 

[ILoveDateline]

2) MS said DM pulled the phone at the end of the drive way and said the friend came back and they are gonna fo meet him
3) It wasn't the lane in front, it's at the field entrance just 100m east off Trinity/Book on Book
4) I don't recall MS saying they'd drive to TH, just so that they don't have to come back after the test drive
5) They drove straight to Bobcat in Brantford. MS was referring to that stop when he discovered that Tim Bosma was killed.

4) the rouse was that the imaginary 3rd person in the Yukon still wanted to go to Tim Horton's so MS was to go into the Yukon and follow DM and TB (who presumably would be navigating them) to Tim Horton's so that that they wouldn't have to go back to the house afterwards. IMO. Gees, sounds so strange now. "why don't you go with so and so, parked there in the lane way without lights on. He's lost and you're going to follow us to Tim Horton's so that we don't have to go back to the house when done with the test drive". Obviously MS knows it's BS. Would my spidisense be going off if I were TB? I don't know. JMO. .

 

[don_quixote]

MS testimony is pretty much irrelevant and unreliable. The jury heard that MS has four criminal convictions, one pending, and the current TB charges. What he has to say will not make any difference. Both are guilty of first degree, no doubt about it in any way.

Seems like one experienced criminal lawyer Mr. Dungey does not agree with you.

 

[SnooperDuper]

MS testimony is pretty much irrelevant and unreliable. The jury heard that MS has four criminal convictions, one pending, and the current TB charges. What he has to say will not make any difference. Both are guilty of first degree, no doubt about it in any way.

I did note that they did not mention the charge against MS for LB, because that would be too prejudicial.

 

[ILoveDateline]

This was probably said earlier. So we finally found out that Pedo was the third person in the Yukon.

 

[hopingforjustice]

My apologies if this is covered..(I am only half way thru reading all posts)

MS stated that there was trouble with AJ on the 9th and he was sent home. BEFORE THEY MOVED THE TRUCK AJ testified that it was the 9th he met with SS and his wife and on the 10th is when he was sent home.
He was there on the 10th if we believe AJ.
My silly computer keeps freezing and I can’t find the exact quotes from AJ but I did find these to support my statements.


Alex Pierson ‏@AlexpiersonAMP 5m5 minutes ago
May 9th- smich says DM panicked. Sent arthur home. And said he needed to get rid of Bosmas truck. Loaded on trailer. @AM900CHML

molly hayes Verified account ‏@mollyhayes 40m40 minutes ago

Back into Fri. May 10. When he got there that morning the the truck was gone. The tarp too. #Bosma

Adam Carter Feb 4 2016 2:25 PM
Friday morning, Jennings says, he goes in using his key fab and the truck is gone.

 

[tinman]

CHCH reporter saying that the Bobcat video has a bang that is faint to hear? (implying gunshot)

http://www.chch.com/mark-smich-testifies-bosma-murder-trial/

has that been said anywhere, anytime before?

 

[dar107]

I'm so on the fence with MS testimony. Not sure if it's gut instinct or my empathetic personalty that wants to see the good in people. I tend to react strongly right off the bat and then sit back and rethink. So I want to believe that MS has remorse and wants to tell the truth and give some type of closure for the Bosmas. I want to believe that although he is doing this to save himself it's still the truth. That the odds of two cold blooded killers finding each other are very slim. I can explain away to myself some things like the change of clothes the sausage pics & fireworks comments. So looking at the other side of the fence ...

How did they plan to go back to the Yukon around the corner after the test drive if Mark believed this was only a scope out? I guess he could of thought they were going to come back to Tims and say their friends were gonna pick them up at the end of the Bosma driveway? You don't just walk up a country driveway without any plan to explain how you got there. You have to be talking about some sort of plan on the drive there.