Maybe he would have, i don't thik SS would have though!AFTER the police showed up at the hangar.....he knew they were onto DM......had the police not shown up at the hangar who knows if he would have come forward.....MOO
Maybe he would have, i don't thik SS would have though!AFTER the police showed up at the hangar.....he knew they were onto DM......had the police not shown up at the hangar who knows if he would have come forward.....MOO
You know...I keep thinking about this incinerator. I think the vast majority of us do not believe it was intended to be used in the way DM's lawyers presented it (animal incineration business.) I don't think even DM is daft enough to believe that a homemade incinerator put together by SS would be passable for use in a veterinarian business model either. So that leaves us with the true intent of his purchase being to dispose of bodies. We know poor Tim met that fate and the hunch many have is that LB may have met the same. Think about this...had DM and MS gotten away with this one, how many more would have followed? Who amongst us are the lucky ones that didn't meet this fate as a result of them being caught? Is there a boat owner out there that may have met the same fate? What did DM want next? Another truck? Trailer? Once they proved to themselves that the disposal plan was infallible...who knows if they would have stopped. MOO and general ramblings for a Thursday morning.
The more and more I think about this case the more I think it was about a planned murder and the truck was just the icing on the cake. Even them showing their faces and being sketchy if they wanted to steal that truck later that night or the next day it could have been done no issue. Truck theft is so big in this area that the police would've taken a statement and even though so sketchy people were by the night before it would likely have been still chalked up to being on the reserve gutted and torched. That's what happens with the majority of truck thefts here.
I still don't grasp the scoping either. Why see if you like it? Steal it and then see if you do. If not chop it down sell its parts and buy one legitimately. These guys were involved in enough thefts and criminal activity to know that parts sell quick and chopped down more then an entire truck.
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One thing that seems to keep being a sticking point for me, that still gives me the tiniest bit of doubt about Smich's knowledge of the plan ahead of time, is the fact that he truly does seem like he's cleaned up his act and is a very different person now and I could see how someone in his position would only make the decision to testify because he felt the need to come clean about what happened, being overcome with guilt. But on the other hand, has he changed so much that he wouldn't tell half-truths to mostly cover his own *advertiser censored*? Is that even real change at all?
I'm like 95% on him. But the other 5% can see how it's possible he really wasn't expecting DM to do what he did.
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For those that are asking about the chip key. YES, TB'S truck had the chip key.
Yes but if Igor hadn't given them the tattoo, they would have reached a dead end. As I said earlier, the only other possibility I see is cell tower dumps looking for the common numbers that were in Ancaster MOnday night and Igor's tower range Sunday afternoon.
Igor didn't give them Millard, he gave them a tattoo and an Indiana Jones satchel. (But I don't believe the cops mentioned the satchel at the tattoo press conference.)
Have the specific modifications been revealed? How was it to be used?That white van.
They were just getting set up.
What is a chip key? I am looking it up but am not getting anything conclusive.
What is a chip key? I am looking it up but am not getting anything conclusive.
It shows his testimony is unreliable and that taints everything he said.This is all after the fact stuff. It doesn't show premeditation for murder IMO
Thank you for answering that.
If we believe MS, he said they were going to test drive the truck, go back & steal it. Without the transponder key, how did they expect to do that?
They left prints on IT's truck & showed their faces to him when they test-drove his truck. Was the plan to steal his truck as well, so those things didn't matter...was it planned that he would be another fatality?
$15K for the Eliminator, additional $$ to modify it to attach to a trailer...for a $24K truck?
(I'm sorry in advance as I'm sure these questions have been asked and answered. I wasn't able to follow the thread on WS as much as I wanted to )
Before he got on the stand, Smich presented himself better than DM did, just by not reacting to DM, and not waving to friends, and appearing to take the court seriously.
However, as soon as he got on the stand, he lost any credibility - nothing but lies spouting from his mouth, along with lots of "can't remembers" "don't recalls" and especially tale of burying of his gun. Clearly remembers wrapping it in plastic bag and tape, remembers getting on his bike (with the gun) but doesn't know which direction he went, found himself in a forest somewhere, but doesn't know where, buried gun somewhere, but doesn't know where. Doesn't remember where he went after he left the forest (because that would mean he knew the direction of the forest).
100% guilty (of first degree murder) that's my verdict!
As soon as AJ was fired for calling crime stoppers he called the police for real.
Of course, they're different. This is a self selecting group of people who come here to discuss crime. Many not only want to know "the truth." They are convinced they can find it. Over and over again, we see posters who think they know more than recognized authorities like the police (Yes, there is a third suspect), forensics experts (he must have been shot from behind), the lawyers (DM's lawyers are so awful), etc.
I see a huge difference between people who go online to discuss this case and those I talk to in the real world about it. There is a large streak of conspiratorial thinking online in the refusal to accept recognized authorities and the conviction of certain posters that they know better. I doubt there are going to be jury members insisting there's a third suspect.
I've seen you say this many times but it doesn't matter if the evidence is more damning to one than the other. In cases where there is more than one accused, it they all planned and committed a murder, they're all guilty. One doesn't get off because s/he is a marginally less despicable person than the other co-accused.
Being a juror is our responsibility as citizens. No one is taking it lightly. There is nothing morally or ethically superior about having a hard time making decisions. There is no reason to think that taking a long time to decide leads to a better decision. You seem to be suggesting that people who have come to a conclusion are taking it more "lightly" than you are.
quick google search shows there is a few different ways to steal a vehicle that require a chipped key. doesnt seem as impossible as it made out to be
Seems very likely they could have gotten away with it if Igor wasnt so intimidating to them and they had gone through with it with him.Yes, and he was fired after the police visited the hangar.
There's no reason to believe he would have contacted them if he hadn't realized they were already on to MIllard.
I'm gad he went to the police when he did and I recognize he was pulled in many directions, but we have no idea what he would have done if the Ambition tattoo hadn't led the police to Millard.
My old car was 2002 if you started it without the chipped key and managed to drive it, it would shut off the fuel supply to the engine
One thing that seems to keep being a sticking point for me, that still gives me the tiniest bit of doubt about Smich's knowledge of the plan ahead of time, is the fact that he truly does seem like he's cleaned up his act and is a very different person now and I could see how someone in his position would only make the decision to testify because he felt the need to come clean about what happened, being overcome with guilt. But on the other hand, has he changed so much that he wouldn't tell half-truths to mostly cover his own *advertiser censored*? Is that even real change at all?
I'm like 95% on him. But the other 5% can see how it's possible he really wasn't expecting DM to do what he did.
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In the ten days following DMs arrest your little angel Mark Smich managed to deal about a pound of weed, reached out to a known weapons dealer and likely sold at least one gun. Yep, Del's arrest really made him see the light and turn over a new leaf.