Bruce Jenner Becoming a Woman and more...

[SStarr33]

OMGoodness. That's ridiculous.

Really? Google traumatic brain injury from rear end collision.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Yes, if there had been cars in front of the Prius, wouldn't they also have been involved in the chain-reaction collision???

Maybe, maybe not. If the car directly in front of the Prius was far enough ahead that the Prius was not pushed into it.

But we have those saying he "plowed into her" hard enough to cause brain damage so I would think she would have been pushed a good ways.
So I would think if that's the case, and she was stopped behind stopped traffic, there is a good chance she would have hit the car in front of her.

All we (and TMZ, and attorneys) can do at this point is speculate. Because we don't have the information to determine the exact facts.

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Really? Google traumatic brain injury from rear end collision.

Do you have a link that says she has brain damage?

I think you are stretching big time.

I have been around vehicle claims for decades. Thousands of rear end collisions. We have never had one case of traumatic brain injury for the driver of a rear end collision.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. But it would take more than a second impact rear end collision to do it.

He was only going 50 when he came upon the Lexus, then hit his brakes. Then hit the Lexus. So his momentum would have been slowed a lot before hitting that Prius (if he even did hit it).

To think this driver who refused medical care at the scene, went to dr hours later, and is actively involved in a case with an attorney has traumatic brain injury is a ridiculous concept. Totally ridiculous.

 

[LinasK]

Really? Google traumatic brain injury from rear end collision.

Yes, that's a possible outcome. But you're implying she must be to have made that statement. Tracy Morgan did sustain a severe TBI from his bus accident, and he may never perform again. They admit he may never be the same again. This woman was not hospitalized for TBI.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Yes, that's a possible outcome. But you're implying she must be to have made that statement. Tracy Morgan did sustain a severe TBI from his bus accident, and he may never perform again. They admit he may never be the same again. This woman was not hospitalized for TBI.

And he wasn't seat belted was he?

And they were hit by a semi.

 

[LinasK]

And he wasn't seat belted was he?

No he wasn't IIRC.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

No he wasn't IIRC.

And that makes a huge difference. His brain injury was not because he was rear ended. It's because they were rear ended by a semi and they weren't belted.

 

[SStarr33]

Do you have a link that says she has brain damage?

I think you are stretching big time.

I have been around vehicle claims for decades. Thousands of rear end collisions. We have never had one case of traumatic brain injury for the driver of a rear end collision.

I'm not saying it doesn't happen. But it would take more than a second impact rear end collision to do it.

He was only going 50 when he came upon the Lexus, then hit his brakes. Then hit the Lexus. So his momentum would have been slowed a lot before hitting that Prius (if he even did hit it).

To think this driver who refused medical care at the scene, went to dr hours later, and is actively involved in a case with an attorney has traumatic brain injury is a ridiculous concept. Totally ridiculous.

No, I don't have a link, but neither do others who are posting on this thread :whistle:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

No, I don't have a link, but neither do others who are posting on this thread :whistle:

Not only is there no link. There is no reason.

No way this girl has traumatic brain injury. With the facts we know, it's impossible.

 

[SStarr33]

Not only is there no link. There is no reason.

No way this girl has traumatic brain injury. With the facts we know, it's impossible.

http://www.neuroskills.com/brain-injury/post-trauma-vision-syndrome-1.php

Given a neurological event such as a traumatic brain injury (this includes a mild whiplash), multiple sclerosis, cerebrovascular accident, etc., the ambient visual process can lose its ability to match information with other components of the sensory-motor feedback loop. Even a whiplash, as mentioned, can cause significant dysfunction at the level of midbrain. Thomas4 has calculated that at the level of the foramen magnum, as much as 14,000 lbs. of inertial force is exerted on the spinal cord with a minimal 10 mile an hour rear-end collision. This can cause a dysfunction in the sensory-motor feedback loop and more specifically in the ambient visual process. Although this type of an injury cannot be seen in most cases on a CT scan or MRI, injured individuals will frequently experience the types of symptoms explained in the introduction of this paper.

Want more links?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.neuroskills.com/brain-injury/post-trauma-vision-syndrome-1.php

Given a neurological event such as a traumatic brain injury (this includes a mild whiplash), multiple sclerosis, cerebrovascular accident, etc., the ambient visual process can lose its ability to match information with other components of the sensory-motor feedback loop. Even a whiplash, as mentioned, can cause significant dysfunction at the level of midbrain. Thomas4 has calculated that at the level of the foramen magnum, as much as 14,000 lbs. of inertial force is exerted on the spinal cord with a minimal 10 mile an hour rear-end collision. This can cause a dysfunction in the sensory-motor feedback loop and more specifically in the ambient visual process. Although this type of an injury cannot be seen in most cases on a CT scan or MRI, injured individuals will frequently experience the types of symptoms explained in the introduction of this paper.

Want more links?

I find it hard to believe someone with a traumatic brain injury could articulate this way...

"It's my understanding that Mr. Jenner struck the white Lexus, knocking it into oncoming traffic, and then rear-ending me at a high rate of speed. I was only struck once," Steindorff said in the statement.

http://abc7.com/news/woman-driving-1st-car-in-malibu-chain-reaction-crash-speaks-out/514619/


You are stretching big time and I think you realize that. It's calculated. We both know she's not brain damaged. I will not argue it for arguments sake. GMAB

This will turn into another 2 day discussion like the pulse/CPR discussion.

It does nothing for the conversation.

If you want to think she's brain damaged, go ahead. But I know for a fact she isn't.

Carry on.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

This will be the typical soft tissue/sprain/strain/chiropractor/physical therapy/acupuncture/massage therapy/run up the bills/settlement case where the atty will get 40%.

 

[KEVINinTO]

At the time of the accident we were told that Jenner was cooperating with LE and giving statements. I wonder how the statements given by Jenner to LE line up with the new emerging evidence. We are told that the MTA bus video shows that Jenner struck BOTH the Lexus and Prius and that furthermore (and crucially!) the video shows that the Lexus did NOT hit the Prius i.e. Jenner was not just a helpless victim of a chain reaction. He was the sole source of the tragedy!

In his statement to LE did Jenner tell them that he struck both vehicles? If not than he was not being truthful IMO since I don't know how he could not be aware of what vehicles he struck. If he lied to LE I really hope that they throw the book at him. Not only was he not keeping a safe stopping distance between his Escalade and the Lexus - Jenner was not even able to stop in time before hitting the vehicle in front of the Lexus. His actions were clearly reckless, IMO.

Jenner's people maintain that he was not texting at the time of the accident. That may well be true but was he reading a text at the time? Was he reading an email or twitter feed? Clearly he was not paying attention to the road ahead of him.

 

[MsFacetious]

The person who stopped in the middle of the road caused this accident.
Bruce shouldn't have rear ended them but if that person hadn't stopped, the accident would have been prevented.

I have seen accidents where someone stops in the traffic lane to turn, instead of in the turning lane.
When they were rear ended BOTH parties were cited and both were considered at fault.

I would like to know why he couldn't stop in time as well, the trailer wasn't that heavy. :twocents:

 

[nrdsb4]

I would like to know why he couldn't stop in time as well, the trailer wasn't that heavy. :twocents:

Because he was not maintaining a safe distance from the vehicle ahead of him?

Because he was looking at paps in his rear view mirror or out the window instead of focusing on the road ahead?

 

[LaLaw2000]

Anyone who has been involved in a traffic accident knows that it happens so very quickly. I have a plate with screws in my neck (3 surgeries), each elbow, and a knee surgery. I could see the young guy was going to hit me and I tried to stop but couldn't. I was driving a small Mitsubishi Eclipse and he was driving a Jeep - the older kind and very heavy. He hit me in the center of the hood and destroyed my vehicle. It was not my fault. He turned in front of me.

As for the injuries I suffered, I really didn't realize how badly I'd been injured until later that day. If Ms. S has any neurological problems, I believe she would know it by now. People around her who know her would know it.

Bruce J. knows exactly what happened, IMO. If you hit anyone from the rear, it is your fault no matter what. Even if it is a chain collision(s), it is your fault. Accident reconstruction should show pretty much what happened, IMO.

I'm just sorry anyone was killed in the accident(s).

MOO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Anyone who has been involved in a traffic accident knows that it happens so very quickly. I have a plate with screws in my neck (3 surgeries), each elbow, and a knee surgery. I could see the young guy was going to hit me and I tried to stop but couldn't. I was driving a small Mitsubishi Eclipse and he was driving a Jeep - the older kind and very heavy. He hit me in the center of the hood and destroyed my vehicle. It was not my fault. He turned in front of me.

As for the injuries I suffered, I really didn't realize how badly I'd been injured until later that day. If Ms. S has any neurological problems, I believe she would know it by now. People around her who know her would know it.

Bruce J. knows exactly what happened, IMO. If you hit anyone from the rear, it is your fault no matter what. Even if it is a chain collision(s), it is your fault. Accident reconstruction should show pretty much what happened, IMO.

I'm just sorry anyone was killed in the accident(s).

MOO

I agree with most of this.
Except this: "If you hit anyone from the rear, it is your fault no matter what."

That's not exactly true. Sometimes there are contributing factors that can relieve fault partially or completely. I'm not saying that's the case here.

I believe BJ is at fault. I'm just not sure he owns 100% of the liability just yet.

You are right. The reconstruction will show what happened. It's a very tedious and lengthy process. Every little detail will be considered.

JMO

 

[jjenny]

The person who stopped in the middle of the road caused this accident.
Bruce shouldn't have rear ended them but if that person hadn't stopped, the accident would have been prevented.

I have seen accidents where someone stops in the traffic lane to turn, instead of in the turning lane.
When they were rear ended BOTH parties were cited and both were considered at fault.

I would like to know why he couldn't stop in time as well, the trailer wasn't that heavy. :twocents:

It just not how it works. You have to follow at a safe distance. And I am not sure anybody stopped their car in the middle of the road to begin with. The cars were approaching a traffic light. There could have been other vehicles in front of the Prius, so it would have to slow down.

 

[Hoosgirl]

My mother was driving me to school on a two lane road. A school bus coming in the opposite direction stopped to pick up kids and flipped out their stop sign. We were at a complete stop in the middle of the road when someone came up behind us and rear ended us. Would we have been considered at fault for coming to a dead stop in the road? No, it was the fault of the person behind us for not maintaining a safe following distance.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

My mother was driving me to school on a two lane road. A school bus coming in the opposite direction stopped to pick up kids and flipped out their stop sign. We were at a complete stop in the middle of the road when someone came up behind us and rear ended us. Would we have been considered at fault for coming to a dead stop in the road? No, it was the fault of the person behind us for not maintaining a safe following distance.

Absolutely not. You were lawfully stopped.