CA - 13 victims, ages 2 to 29, shackled in home by parents, Perris, 15 Jan 2018 #4

[Ct92404]

Rosesfromangels, that is a very interesting question...

I don't know anyone who ever worked with a company that did work for the Federal government, so I don't know what is involved in getting clearance. But you would think that at some point, it would involve someone paying a visit to the house and talking with the spouse at the very least. I mean, I guess it would really depend on what level his clearance had to be, but I know that General Dynamics and Northrup both build military aircraft. If you're working at a company that is anyway involved in defense contracts, you would think there would be very detailed background checks. And it seems like I read somewhere that they do even talk with family members. What the heck happened there??

I'd have to look at the timeline again, but is it possible THIS is why he and Mommy Dearest were living somewhere else separate from the kids at one point? Maybe it wasn't the trailer. Maybe they had another house or apartment somewhere that looked more "normal" so he could pass background checks? I know this is a lot of speculation and theorizing, but it would kind of make sense. If so, these creeps somehow managed to fool the government too?

 

[Perodicticus potto]

IMO, once the children were no longer babies, they were subject to abuse.

I wonder if this had to do with them reaching some perceived age of moral responsibility, and thus needing to be punished for their "sins."

 

[jilly]

Animal control officers will inspect residences to determine whether the home is suitable for the dogs. Because this work will be carried out by local animal control officers, only Perris residents may apply.

http://beta.latimes.com/local/lanow...is-couple-20180119-story.html#nt=oft07a-17gp1


So you can homeschool in cali and not be checked but for dog adoptions your home will be inspected.

Btw not against home schooling.

Thanks and I'm not against home schooling either. Having said that, however, I think that this case should set some sort of a prescedent for some needed oversight by an appropriate government agency (Dept of Education?)

Just thinking out loud here and not wanting to derail this thread.

 

[Ct92404]

Happy Birthday, doghairrules!

Yeah, take a break from all this. Get away from the computer for a while and have fun today.

 

[EmiLove832]

I wonder if this had to do with them reaching some perceived age of moral responsibility, and thus needing to be punished for their "sins."

If LT’s sister is being truthful the controlling behavior started with the oldest daughter at a very young age. On 20/20 she said the kids were kept in their rooms, LT would tell the oldest daughter when she could come down to eat and they would have to make eye contact with a smile before she was told she could eat.

 

[margarita25]

Bingo! Yo Yo parenting- never heard that term but IME, abusive parents can be exactly like that.
Something else that I think is hard for most people to understand is that abusive, neglectful parents are hyper cautious
of when and how to project their real treatment of the kids. There's that PUBLIC BEHAVIOR and their PRIVATE
BEHAVIOR when no one is looking. Night and Day difference. So much of their lives revolves around the secrecy
of their family dynamics. The parents are fully aware of the difference between right and wrong which is why they hide
the aborrhent, abusive treatment. Great way to screw kids minds up royally right? This is one reason abused children
will forever have a hard time with trusting others. No one really ever knows what goes on BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

Just chilling and so scary. We really don't know.

 

[Elley Mae]

"Now a forensic team from the local sheriff's office have revealed that the parents, if no-one else, kept themselves entertained with their vast, and perfectly alphabetized, DVD collection."

Snip

"Police, who went to the home after interviewing the escaped 17-year-old girl, found three of her brothers and sisters shackled to their beds with chains and padlocks while the others sat nearby in dark, foul-smelling surroundings."

I figured the movies were for them. Probably no tv either.

 

[enelram]

I wonder if this had to do with them reaching some perceived age of moral responsibility, and thus needing to be punished for their "sins."

I've thought that once the baby got big enough to not stay in the crib or playpen for long periods of time, the mother
started down the path of restraining them or locking them in a bedroom. She and DT were both so selfish that the children became nuisances who got in the way of their own pleasures and pastimes.

 

[margarita25]

I'm thinking about the joys of newly discovered beautiful things these survivors will now get to experience, the basic things in life, dignity, feeling clean, tasting foods they've never eaten...

 

[verbonica]

O/T: today is my birthday and I just opened this present. Wanted to share it to give us a short break from the sadness of this case.

:Happybirthday:

Enjoy your special day, Doghairrules!

 

[margarita25]

I wonder if they will find *advertiser censored*, etc on his computer...

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Regarding them going into a new home, I have to believe that authorities are taking this very seriously and are arranging appropriate physical and mental health care, probably by bringing home health care professionals in just as is done for the elderly when they leave a hospital, and possibly through some outpatient care.

We do not know the qualifications of the individuals offering to give them a home. It's quite possible that one or both of the prospective new parents have nursing or mental health backgrounds.

I really don't believe they are just moving them to an otherwise normal fostering situation. I am betting that qualified people have stepped up to do this, who likely have backgrounds in health care (possibly mental health care).

In fact, it's possible that one of the hospital staff has been so touched that they have chosen to take a leave of absence at work and do this instead.

We just don't know. But as high profile as this case is, and as emotionally affected as the hospital professionals seem to be, I can't believe that they don't have multiple advocates making sure that the best decisions are made.

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I hear you and I'm sure they're trying to make good decisions, but my main point is that they need more than 2 adults caring for them right now.

No matter how well educated and experienced the person(s) taking them in are, they have to sleep sometime.

Perhaps they'll hire home health aides for 24/7 coverage. I have no doubt there are many well trained home health aides who would really enjoy caring for and teaching these children. And then they could have specialized professionals for things like occupational and speech therapy.

I tend to be pessimistic and cynical, but I do have real hope for these kids that they will eventually be able to live happy lives even though they'll have some lifelong challenges related to their malnutrition and lack of movement.

Does this situation remind anyone else of the movie "Nell"? Can you imagine if Nell had 12 siblings out there in the forest??

 

[Mom2catieandtwins]

If LT’s sister is being truthful the controlling behavior started with the oldest daughter at a very young age. On 20/20 she said the kids were kept in their rooms, LT would tell the oldest daughter when she could come down to eat and they would have to make eye contact with a smile before she was told she could eat.

I have a hard time believing LT’s sister. I have noticed many discrepancies in her comments. However, I do believe the abuse started decades ago. Those poor young adults and kids.

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm thinking about the joys of newly discovered beautiful things these survivors will now get to experience, the basic things in life, dignity, feeling clean, tasting foods they've never eaten...

Did a walmart run this am, while walking through produce looking at strawberries, bananas, avocados, etc and thought of the things these kids have never tasted.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

I'm really thinking that someone in the media misunderstood something and is jumping the gun about plans to already place the kids in foster care. It's way too soon. The way medical experts were describing in interviews how precarious the "refeeding" process is in a case of severe starvation and malnourishment like this, I just don't think 1 week in a hospital is nearly enough time. From what I read, they can't do it too fast because otherwise the patient can actually go into shock and DIE. It hasn't even been a week since the kids were rescued. They were bringing them back slowly with IV fluids, then gradually solid food. They have to very slowly increase the calorie intake. And considering how weak the kids must have been and muscle wasting, they probably couldn't even walk right. So even when the nutrition is stabilized and their digestive system starts working again, they would likely need physical therapy to even walk right. A neurologist would have to evaluate how severe the neuropathy is. All of this takes time. And there are 13 kids. In 1 week? There's just no way.

I'm betting that someone misheard something. Maybe the kids are showing some improvement and they're being moved to a different area of the hospital? Maybe they think that they might be able to be moved to another facility for physical rehabilitation? My impression from everything I heard about the kids when they were found, and from what doctors were saying is that they were in very severe condition and some were close to death. They seemed especially worried about the 29 year old girl. I fully expected them to be in the hospital for WEEKS. Plural.

Maybe what they meant was the "process" could start as soon as Monday, with the "process" being applications, background checks, home studies, and the person(s) being considered to provide a home for the children getting more info on their individual needs and maybe getting to meet them.

I'm hoping so anyway, because I'm like you and think it's way too soon for them to be outside of a hospital.

 

[margarita25]

IIRC, didn’t that same neighbor (Ashley?) say that after the Turpin’s had moved away from the TX home and they went over to check out the house, 2 dogs ran out the back door (after being in there for 2 weeks) and a kitten was found in the dumpster that smelled of death?

But what really haunts me about that same interview was when she said that “they continued to hear whimperings coming from the dumpster.”



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Those kids, yes I agree kids, must have been just sooo devastated to leave their dogs there...:... $#@

 

[Hoosgirl]

From local ABC7 reporter fb page:

Could this be where the 17-year old child escaped?

Investigators returned to the Turpin house in Perris on Friday, and spent extensive time at the front window. They took pictures and measurements of a rectangular cut-out of the screen. It makes sense that this would be the window that the girl crawled out of; the rest of the windows lead only to the backyard, where she (remember, police said she looked like a ten-year old) would have had to climb over a fence. Police won't confirm which window she crawled through.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=990003047831565&id=342534599245083

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[Elley Mae]

o/t: Today is my birthday and i just opened this present. Wanted to share it to give us a short break from the sadness of this case.

🎉🎂🥂happy birthday 🍰

 

[DakotaMayi]

While the children's identities are being protected I say we go with Lilibet's suggestion.

Survivor 1, Survivor 2, Survivor 3, and so on.

There are members who have a billion tons more talent than I do when it comes to using computers and creating pictures.

What about if one of these talented posters took one of the pictures where the faces are not shown, and assign their names. I hope I am making sense. Perhaps go clockwise around the picture.

OR, if we know their ages maybe that is the way to go.

Survivor 1 is two years old, Survivor 2 is seven years old. and so on.

It's up to you all. If someone could put this together I would really appreciate it. My eyeballs feel like they are made of razor blades and are spinning backward in my skull. It's been a hard day so any help one of your talented members could offer will be greatly appreciated by yours truly.

Hopefully, this will settle this discussion and we can move on.

Thank you Lilibet. Great idea.

Nice work, you two! And thank you Tricia! Great idea about the photo. I love knowing their names. What about taking a blurred photo, as Tricia suggested, and doing a combination of name abbreviation/age? For example: Survivor 1 Jen-29, Survivor 2 Jos-25, etc. For me, having a snippet of name, as they were in the court papers, plus their current age helps me keep them straight and give each one an identity without revealing their whole name. I like the photo with the “thing” shirts where they’re all lined up in age order. But I don’t have the skill to do it. Thoughts?

ETA: See my next post about not using names and checking with Tricia. I was confused when I read her post about “naming them.”

Working on this. Thank you Lilibet for the picture :heartbeat:

 

[enelram]

Just chilling and so scary. We really don't know.

Hate to admit this, but some of us here have lived this. and parts of this story bring back old memories that we long ago buried. Lots of similarities.