CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #13

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In case any evidence of his presence in the house was later unearthed, he could call upon LE to witness the fact of when and where he entered the house?

Surely not? Surely AH's forensic presence was all over the house anyway. He seemed close to Bob. Close enough to keep his computer in Bob's house anyway, and for him to 'understand' without any supporting documentation, that Bob would forgive him a debt of hundreds and hundreds of thousand of dollars, upon his death.

Not that that was any excuse for AH to immediately stop his repayments. Bob was - and is - just missing, after all. Not dead. AH really appears to have thought Bob was deceased very soon after his disappearance. I wonder what gave him that idea?

BBM. Maybe that will be one of the questions answered in the upcoming Disappeared episode. That and the other questions which have remained unanswered by Bob's CA family for the last 3.5 years.
 
Am I going crazy, or is Bob the only missing person in Placentia, a city of 50,000 people? Surely not? But if you google missing persons, Placentia, only Bob comes up. If you google CA missing persons, NOTHING comes up for missing persons in Placentia.

If Bob is really the only outstanding missing person in Placentia, that must really bother LE there. Missing people do not appear in the annual crime stats reported and or/solved, unfortunately, but every year Bob's case must have been there, at the back of their mind, when those stats get published. He's an invisible stat, but the people who matter know he's there, if you get my meaning.

Here's a link to the last missing person case PPD solved, last year. Well done guys. Another one to add to the list this year, I hope?

http://www.thecharter.ca/News/2012-06-25/article-3016400/UPDATE:-Missing-person--Placentia/1
 
Unfortunately; this is true of a lot of people & not understanding wills. Either way; the will should have been filed with the state; I'm pretty sure they could have gotten a copy. I have a copy of a few celebrities which are public.


Respectfully snipped. Georgia Harrod's will was filed with the state in May of 2008.

If Bob's daughters wanted to know their mothers wishes, why didn't they just pick up a copy of her will which had been filed at the courthouse since May of 2008? Or was it April of 2008?

30-2008-00068771-PR-OP-LJC
HARROD-SAFEKEEPING WILL
04/01/2008 PROBATE OTHER PROBATE MATTER



Participants Results 1 - 1 of 1000000000000
Name Type Start Date End Date Current Attorney
GEORGIA M HARROD DECEDENT 05/14/2008


https://ocapps.occourts.org/ProbPubv...c_dtl#top_page
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Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Bob Harrod, 81, Orange County, 27 July 2009 - #11
 
Hi, zwiebel,
Um, that case in the link is from Canada. The RCMP caught my eye.

I remain in awe of the sleuthing skills of so many here. I just read every day and keep hoping for justice for Bob.
 
List of family members living in CA, close to Bob when he vanished, who could possibly have helped with the making of his 'Disappeared' episode.

Daughter PB
Daughter RB
Daughter JuM
SIL JeM
Grandson AH

List of family members who were many, many miles away when Bob disappeared, and so may have little to contribute to events surrounding his disappearance.

FH

It will be interesting to see who has made a contribution, and who has not, when the programme airs.
 
I didn't even think of that one, tlcya, thank you. I'd make a terrible police officer.
Now, why would AH have wanted LE to witness him entering the house? Mmmmmmm.......

O/T hope you don't mind, but is that pic your Dakota? Because he/she looks like a real wolf to me........

thanks zwiebel. I think he wanted LE to enter the house with him because it suggests that he does not or has not in the past freely enter the house using his key. It suggests a certain respect for Bob and his privacy that I suspect may not have been there.

A sort of "see, I only have this key for emergencies, but even now, with Bob missing, I hesitate to enter his domicile and invade his privacy with police escorting me"

o/t, no that is not Dakota. It is an image of a full blooded wolf I borrowed from the web since I have no pictures of my departed buddy scanned or uploaded. The image does resemble my lost friend tho :)
 
Hi, zwiebel,
Um, that case in the link is from Canada. The RCMP caught my eye.

I remain in awe of the sleuthing skills of so many here. I just read every day and keep hoping for justice for Bob.

Oh Opie. Thank you. I need Oriah here to at least get me in the right country, before I start sleuthing. I'm hopeless.
 
I think when it comes to the filming of the show, we have a rock and hard place scenario fwiw.

I give CL some immense credit-it seems that many who have stepped forward to express their concern, their grief and their desire for an answer have been targeted with some pretty nasty stuff.
 
Roselvr, how do you get the multiple quotes in your posts?

I right click quote & open in a new tab; do that for each reply I want to quote then copy/paste them into one reply.

O/T but I have been busily posting away on Andrea Doe's thread with absolutely no idea Huntington beach is in OC. My embarrassment knows no bounds. I'm never going to get the hang of this America thing. Any chance you could make your country smaller, please?

That's how Americans feel with Canada lol
We have states; each state is made up of counties with different towns in it.
 
Oh Opie. Thank you. I need Oriah here to at least get me in the right country, before I start sleuthing. I'm hopeless.

On the contrary, you are FAR from hopeless. You are halfway around the world from California and have sleuthed so much. I'm just across the country and am unable to do that.

As for Europe, now there I would be pretty hopeless. :crazy:
 
Roselvr, the counties with towns are exactly how we do it in England. Are you telling me I may have a slight geographical advantage over my US friends when it comes to Canada? I really hope so, because I have managed to make a fool of myself so many times on this thread over locations.

Ssshh, don't tell anyone, but Cubby has been kind enough never to mention my mistaking baseball with football in one of our first conversations too.
 
On the contrary, you are FAR from hopeless. You are halfway around the world from California and have sleuthed so much. I'm just across the country and am unable to do that.

As for Europe, now there I would be pretty hopeless. :crazy:

You'd be just fine. it's just like the US, except each different bit is a country, rather than a state. And I've found it's amazing how humanity's underlying connections, care, interest and responsibility for each other can overcome language barriers. Really. Truly. I've found most people do care, do want to aid a fellow human being, no matter what the connection or relationship. People have a lot in common, wherever they come from.
 
From what I've read; he was frugal with his money. I do not doubt that he had a lot of cash in his house; probably some stashed in the car as well. My dad did the same thing. A wad in his wallet; then various places in the house as well as shoved in the trunk of his cars; in a place no one would think to look unless they were taking the car apart. Right before my dad passed away; he had my son & I taking apart his trunk looking for his cash but we didn't find it. I know someone of similar age to Bob; they do the same thing as my dad did.

What's the story with the military? F says he went to war but the daughters say otherwise & that he married their mom soon after breaking with F.

It's said he has a mild dementia; his Dr said no. I'd tend to blow the Dr off because I know someone his age where it's only noticeable if you speak to them daily.

What I find strange is not only that they married so quick but that F's daughter seems ok with her mom moving to another state with a man she barely knows? I also don't understand the quick marriage because most elderly that I know are not so quick to run out & get hitched due to losing public assistance.

I don't doubt that his kids found this strange & while they're legally married; I'm not sure how I feel if she's still living in the house.

I honestly hope this is a case of him just walking away. Who knows if the car that was supposedly seen was someone waiting for the SIL to leave to pick Bob up?

SBM

My father was born within a week of Bob, so for me my dad is the test case as to certain aspects of the mystery.

At Bob's age, Bob's primary doctor should have been assessing him for decreased cognitive functioning at every visit. It's easy, requires no equipment beyond a paper and pencil (if that) and each of the possible tests takes less than a minute to administer. Most doctor rotate among the tests so that the patient cannot prepare for them. My dad's doctor assesses him even though my dad continues to pass his medical licensing test each year and wins high test score at one of the medical conferences they both attend (beware of mild mannered Korean doctors; they know everything and forget nothing).

I cannot imagine Bob's doctor asserting that Bob was not cognitively impaired unless he has the proof in his patient records.

My dad carries about $20 in his wallet plus his credit cards. He prefers credit cards for the extra consumer protection. He didn't put together a considerable estate by being silly with his money and to him, cash is money that doesn't have a job. He thinks money should be busy making money.

Fontelle and Bob's daughters are in agreement that he entered the Marine Corps. They may disagree as to what he did in service; his daughters say he was a cook. It is indisputable that he was in the Marines during the Korean War. And that honourable service is honourable service, whether it is frontline troops or support troops. Without them all, the military could not function.

Bob had amassed a considerable estate, so I doubt he was worried about his SS pension or any other benefits. I think the opposite of you, that when someone gets to be in their middle 70s and early 80s, there's a lot of awareness of death. They were both widowed so they both knew first hand that it doesn't last forever.

As for Fontelle's daughter, I know I could never persuade my mama not to do something she was determined to do. The least that would happen to me would be the statement "if you don't like it, I suggest you not do it."

As for Fontelle living in the Placentia house, that makes perfect sense to me. They are legally married and she is fighting as best she can to keep Bob's case alive. She can do that better in Placentia than she can half a continent away.
 
Zwiebel, I think Mr Harrod went missing earlier than late morning, fwiw. I dont think the person(s) who participated in this disappearance knew that CL had changed days and I think it was important to make sure that he disappeared before he could set in motion any of the changes he planned on making.

I would also be willing to bet that Mr Harrod was one to document things in writing or make lists. I am also willing to bet that there were or are notes somewhere detailing out his tasks for the day-my grandfather always had a list.

We know Bob carefully documented his financial transactions and indicated the nature of each.

My dad also makes lists.

My dad's lawyer would be more than happy to make an appointment to see him on the same day my dad calls. Not an unusual thing for someone who has amassed a sizeable estate, in my opinion. Makes me wonder what time Bob's lawyer opened his office each day; I know my dad's lawyer opens at 10 am.
 
Such a pity that the love story ended there, when it should just have been beginning.

If Bob had not disappeared, I like to imagine he and Fontelle engaged in mild adventures. Like maybe one of those Alaska cruises. A tour of England and Europe. Things like that, where they could see new things and have new experiences to share.

And of course going back to Missouri together to visit Fontelle's children and grandchildren and take a look at the old home town to see how it has changed.

So many things they could have done and should have had the opportunity to do.
 
Always praying for Bob's return, and Peace for Fontelle :rose:


I've been gone, but feel I've kept up with all of you to a fair extent. I'm anxious for resolution in this case. In my head, the list of suspects is still at 2, and nothing new has caused me to veer from these 2.

Anxious to see 1 or both of them enjoying their well earned perp walk.


:bump:
 
Next day family members (LE won't say who) tell LE Bob may have dementia, can't walk far, is legally blind, didn't take his glasses or his car and they are very worried about someone he knows whom they regard as suspicious, and a suspicious car son-in-law had seen.

Yet none of these things concerned them enough to report Bob missing the day before, because they thought they were not allowed? It doesn't make sense.

SBM

More importantly, the family back pedalled quickly on the possible dementia, legal blindness, etc and substituted "well, Dad probably ran away because he regrets his marriage."

As Oriah pointed out, dementia and legally blind is a situation that needs an immediate call-out of SAR for an intensive search for an endangered elder. Running away from a marriage he regretted is a situation where the appropriate response is to wait and see, considering that a competent adult has the freedom to disappear at will.

Which begs the question, who didn't want an intensive SAR response? If it were my father, there'd be an immediate call-out if I had to go to every local media outlet and cry to them to post messages asking for help. If it took appearing on television blubbering my eyes out, I'd do it. The heck with dignity if my daddy ever went missing.
 
We know Bob carefully documented his financial transactions and indicated the nature of each.

My dad also makes lists.

My dad's lawyer would be more than happy to make an appointment to see him on the same day my dad calls. Not an unusual thing for someone who has amassed a sizeable estate, in my opinion. Makes me wonder what time Bob's lawyer opened his office each day; I know my dad's lawyer opens at 10 am.

Yeah there is that whole 10 AM call. Did any of the media ever state which way the call went?
 
Changing the sheets may seem weird / intrusive; they were getting the home ready for his wife to come. Things I read from that time; it seemed like everyone expected him to come back home. It's possible the daughter did things for Bob like change the sheets. Was it confirmed she actually did change the sheets or used as excuse to go back into the house to look for the will or something else?

SBM

This same daughter was asked by Bob (and possibly bribed) to stay away from him for six months after Georgia died. That doesn't sound like a very close relationship to me or the sort of relationship where the daughter does little things for him.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm warped because my dad and I don't let 24 hours go by without some sort of contact.
 
GrainneDhu, your thoughtful posts have filled me with foreboding, on Bob's behalf. They sound so true, and paint a picture of a man whose future financial actions were predictable, could be counted upon, planned upon. That was his undoing, imo.

I'm glad your Dad has you for a daughter. As for your Mom, and telling her what she could or could not do......my Mom and yours have a lot in common, in upbringing, location etc (though I think they'd argue the point). My Mom would have done the opposite of yours though. Agreed sweetly and vaguely with anything I suggested. *A real pushover. Then gone ahead and did exactly what she intended to do all along, regardless. An infuriating but unbeatable tactic, that always worked a treat with me.
 
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