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And son in law's answer to that mystery was to produce a receipt for 3.02pm. ?????
 
What I wouldn't give to know what other family members were told about the time Bob disappeared. I wonder if police know?
 
zwiebel said:
What I wouldn't give to know what other family members were told about the time Bob disappeared. I wonder if police know?
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As LE frequently mentions "lies change, the truth always stays the same". We know which family members are on record providing conflicting information.
 
I was trying to follow the trial of the South African sportsman Oscar Pistorius today for the alleged murder of his girlfriend Reeva. Interestingly, there was an important witness who was sleeping in a house next door with her husband and they both made statements to police about what they heard.

They differed, but in a way I thought showed their truthfullness, rather than making them look dishonest (though the prosecutor tried and failed, imo). The husband was concentrating on racing to the balcony to see what was going on, and trying to call emergency. The wife was in bed, her attention frozen on the sound and sequence of gunshots and a woman's bloodcurdling screams.

So their best memories were of different details but the stories still tallied fundamentally.

That is where I think the story of Bob's disappearance has always fallen down. the fundamental, basic structure is missing. Not only are the times son in law left Bob alone in the house confusing, but we don't even know how many times Bob was left alone. And if son in law was so sketchy in details, how come his wife was able to apparently tell Fontelle a precise time of 11am, for Bob's disappearance?

And then that shifted to 1/Noon the next day, with no explanation or apparent input from son in law. It just seems a strange way for a long-married couple to 'work together' to help find a missing relative. One half of the narrative was completely absent, and still is.
 
O/T but a strange South African lady named Annemarie (she's not sure of her surname) was thrown out of that trial today.

Only it seems like there are an awful lot of court docs for an Annemarie in Florida (who also isn't sure of her surname and provides identical 'possibles') who up until the South African trial, occupied herself in bringing strange cases against US States. Such a small world....
 
Another example in case I'm not being clear; last year, me and Mr Z went plant shopping.

This week, we had a row about it. He forgot the name of every plant and the purpose of buying them, while I'd confused which year we went. So if you asked him to make a statement about it, he'd get the date spot on but say we bought hydrangeas. I'd get the date way wrong, but the plants would be correct - and I'd quote old WS posts to show why I bought hydrangeas, and when, and that it was a different occasion altogether.

But production of a receipt would prove the truthful part of both our stories - his date, and my memory of what we bought.

That's the way the story of Bob's disappearance should have come out. With the full input of all those close to him, the story could have been made to make sense and discrepancies ironed out by LE and by loved ones' efforts.

Lack of effort and will is the key here, I believe. It's so sad for poor Bob.
 
zwiebel said:
Another example in case I'm not being clear; last year, me and Mr Z went plant shopping.

This week, we had a row about it. He forgot the name of every plant and the purpose of buying them, while I'd confused which year we went. So if you asked him to make a statement about it, he'd get the date spot on but say we bought hydrangeas. I'd get the date way wrong, but the plants would be correct - and I'd quote old WS posts to show why I bought hydrangeas, and when, and that it was a different occasion altogether.

But production of a receipt would prove the truthful part of both our stories - his date, and my memory of what we bought.

That's the way the story of Bob's disappearance should have come out. With the full input of all those close to him, the story could have been made to make sense and discrepancies ironed out by LE and by loved ones' efforts.

Lack of effort and will is the key here, I believe. It's so sad for poor Bob.
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Emphasis on the last sentence in your post. It IS so sad for poor Bob.
 
I never mentioned it, but the hydrangea I so carefully bought and planted in honor of Bob - well, somebody took the mower over it. Not me.

There was quite a kerfuffle in the zwiebel household when that happened. It was moved, replanted and carefully nurtured. I figured I would say what had happened, if it didn't survive after all my care.

Then a horse got to it, and I don't even own a horse. :(

Spring is here though and it would take an army to get to Bob's hydrangea now. And the good news is, it has survived everything. I saw all the new shoots today. I am so pleased. :)
 
I know this is the wrong Placentia, but I'm forever accidentally bringing it up in searches and I can't help noticing they have such an active senior community there. They seem so well catered for and have such fun. It's really nice.

http://www.cbncompass.ca/News/Local...ced-for-Trinity-Conception-Placentia-region/1

Back in Bob's Placentia, I am glad to see there was an arrest so quickly for that poor Placentia security guard who was shot in San Bernardino, Dean Vedol Sena.

http://www.crimevoice.com/deputies-track-down-rancho-cucamonga-shooting-suspect/

If no arrest had been made, that would have been an unsolved crime for San Bernardino, right? Not Placentia, because responsibility rests with the county where the crime was committed and not the residence of the victim, I think? Unless the suspected victim, like Bob, cannot be located. Then the responsibility has to rest with investigators where they lived I guess.

That must make it incredibly hard when investigators in say, NY, suspect a missing person's been murdered in CA, or vice versa.

http://www.crimevoice.com/deputies-track-down-rancho-cucamonga-shooting-suspect/
 
I've been checking on the official preparations for Bob's birthday/missing anniversary this year. They don't appear to have started yet.

How odd. They are leaving it a bit late, aren't they? I've already started on mine.
 
Yay to Bob's hydrangea surviving, Zwei. It has been a very hot and dry summer here, and every time I move the sprinkler around my wilting bushes I have wondered...
 
Another OC 2009 case has been resolved. Joseph Ettima has been found guilty of the murder of his grandmother. And setting fire to her home after, while his little brother and niece were still inside.

Grandmother, Emma Street Hardwick, was the youngest of 26 children, raised seven of her own, alone, and also took in a family member and her nine children. Her murderer was one of the children she helped raise. :(

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/ettima-604674-family-children.html
 

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Just lately, I've been running out of 'icide' words to describe the crimes happening in SoCal - children charged with murdering parents and vice versa, spouses murdering each other, and now even graverobbing has raised an ugly head (at Hillside Memorial).

But now Bill Johnson at the OC Register has ridden to the rescue and written a lovely story about a couple celebrating their 70th wedding anniversary. It echoes Bob and Fontelle's story a bit, I think, but with a happy ending, not a tragic one.

http://www.ocregister.com/articles/roy-604598-marie-orange.html?page=1
 
Someone has given me two old CA vehicle plates, as consolation that I can't be there to actually search for Bob. It's not much consolation really, but they are old and have come a long, long way from CA, a long time ago.

Any locals have any idea if and where a clue to year is, on an old CA license plate?
 
zwiebel said:
I was trying to follow the trial of the South African sportsman Oscar Pistorius today for the alleged murder of his girlfriend Reeva. Interestingly, there was an important witness who was sleeping in a house next door with her husband and they both made statements to police about what they heard.

They differed, but in a way I thought showed their truthfullness, rather than making them look dishonest (though the prosecutor tried and failed, imo). The husband was concentrating on racing to the balcony to see what was going on, and trying to call emergency. The wife was in bed, her attention frozen on the sound and sequence of gunshots and a woman's bloodcurdling screams.

So their best memories were of different details but the stories still tallied fundamentally.

That is where I think the story of Bob's disappearance has always fallen down. the fundamental, basic structure is missing. Not only are the times son in law left Bob alone in the house confusing, but we don't even know how many times Bob was left alone. And if son in law was so sketchy in details, how come his wife was able to apparently tell Fontelle a precise time of 11am, for Bob's disappearance?

And then that shifted to 1/Noon the next day, with no explanation or apparent input from son in law. It just seems a strange way for a long-married couple to 'work together' to help find a missing relative. One half of the narrative was completely absent, and still is.
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Interesting, JuM in her posting the day after her father disappeared:

Jul 28, 2009 at 1:50PM – JuM Post on ROTW

I need to request positive thoughts and prayers. My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago. We suspect foul play, but want to remain as positive; his new wife will be arriving with her belongings tomorrow. My father's name is Robert Harrod in Placentia; his new wife Fontelle Heeter-Harrod is just besides herself, please pray for his safe return.
 
Angelo said:
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Interesting, JuM in her posting the day after her father disappeared:

Jul 28, 2009 at 1:50PM – JuM Post on ROTW

I need to request positive thoughts and prayers. My father has been missing approx. 28 hours ago. We suspect foul play, but want to remain as positive; his new wife will be arriving with her belongings tomorrow. My father's name is Robert Harrod in Placentia; his new wife Fontelle Heeter-Harrod is just besides herself, please pray for his safe return.
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Is it correct that it works back to Bob going missing at 10 am? Because if so, we have a missing timeline stretching from 10am to 2.40pm on Monday, July 27th, 2009.

Unless there was some serious catastrophe/illness/amnesia or something, I just cannot see any good reason for Bob's son in law to have been unable to pinpoint the time/times he left the house, in more detail than this.

And it makes no sense at all that other family members have publically stated timings they must have heard from son in law, but seem to have made little attempt to clarify them in all these years.

Surely everyone with a missing person in the family eventually learns how important it is to narrow down a time of disappearance?
 
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