Recovered/Located CA - Cecil Knutson (dec'd), Dianna Bedwell (inj'd), Valley Ctr, 10 May 2015

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I live in this area. The roads around here are country type. Aka; Winding and curvey.
It would be very easy to mis-judge and end up over a cliff or in a deep gully.
 
KALI said:
I live in this area. The roads around here are country type. Aka; Winding and curvey.
It would be very easy to mis-judge and end up over a cliff or in a deep gully.
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Thnak you, KALI, glad you're here. What would it have been like, traffic considerations around that area on Mother's Day?
 
Forager and FindHG.... :loveyou:

You our are both amazing. Thank you for jumping in and providing your map expertise. Looking at the updated version of your map (thank you for satellite view), I wonder if in fact it would be about 15 minutes by the time they reached the dead zone. It seems it would actually be 9-10... But what if dad was struggling so they switched seats and mom was at the wheel? That would explain her phone being turned off, the unexpected direction towards perhaps a hospital, and a nervous driver behind the wheel. Dad's phone no longer providing a signal makes sense to the dead zone, and if they did end up on the roof it explains no gps signal from the car.

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Forager - to be precise, here is my sweetspot of a guess:

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Roses, do you think they could have driven that far in 15 minutes?
 
I think it would take well over an hour to get that far. Maybe 1 1/2 hours.
 
rosesfromangels said:
Forager - to be precise, here is my sweetspot of a guess:

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That's putting your money down! I've plotted the area, shortened it by a little a bit on the southern end to keep it out of a residential area.

Thanks for the pic. I've got a bit of a crick in my neck, but it was very clear and easy to transfer.

I read the back and forth with GigTu. The route from the casino to the beginning of your area is only about 15 miles, within that 15 minute window, I think, given those roads.
 
Forager said:
That's putting your money down! I've plotted the area, shortened it by a little a bit on the southern end to keep it out of a residential area.

Thanks for the pic. I've got a bit of a crick in my neck, but it was very clear and easy to transfer.

I read the back and forth with GigTu. The route from the casino to the beginning of your area is only about 15 miles, within that 15 minute window, I think, given those roads.
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Thank you. I guess I thought it was a different place, and would take longer from the casino to reach that part of the highway regardless of route. Going to check your updated map now (and put it in my sig line so I can find it easier) to see if I'm looking at the wrong place. :)
 
GigTu said:
Forager and FindHG.... :loveyou:

You our are both amazing. Thank you for jumping in and providing your map expertise. Looking at the updated version of your map (thank you for satellite view), I wonder if in fact it would be about 15 minutes by the time they reached the dead zone. It seems it would actually be 9-10... But what if dad was struggling so they switched seats and mom was at the wheel? That would explain her phone being turned off, the unexpected direction towards perhaps a hospital, and a nervous driver behind the wheel. Dad's phone no longer providing a signal makes sense to the dead zone, and if they did end up on the roof it explains no gps signal from the car.

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GigTu,

I had missed this earlier post of yours and wished I had responded earlier. The timing considerations hadn't dawned on me, and your post makes a lot of sense.

I can see how I confused things by putting those 'Deadzone areas' on the map without explanation. I've since added some more 'Cell deadzone' areas along likely routes. But Roses focus area was a separate thing.

Thanks for your post!
 
I wonder, is it possible to tell from the security cameras whether they sat in their car for a while before leaving, or did they drive off right away? Wondering if perhaps someone might have been hiding in the backseat when they got in.
 
Who made the video ?

I don't understand the significance of places that were shown with closed gates and warning signs. Anybody want to explain it to me ? Where is all of that in relation to where they were last seen ?
 
steelman said:
Who made the video ?

I don't understand the significance of places that were shown with closed gates and warning signs. Anybody want to explain it to me ? Where is all of that in relation to where they were last seen ?
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Sand Crab News offers a tantalizing trail of breadcrumbs for us there, but I haven't yet been able to connect the dots for myself. I have put a marker on the map to show the location of Turner Lake, a principal focus of the video, with a link to it. Turner Lake is off of Betsworth Rd, which runs west from Lilac Rd. in an area just to the west of the casino where the couple was last seen. (Scan down the list of map features on the left of the map screen and click on "Turner Lake (Youtube)")

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.khuzU1KdCXHY

Here's the link to the Sand Crab video on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq1j_RRYqGg
 
Kitty Alvarado reports, on May 13th, for KMIR News / NBC , 48 hrs after they'd been missing, and before LE released the video of the three white (by Lindsay Winkley, U-T San Diego, 5/13, 5:49 pm) cars at the light, that the Knutsons were, according to their daughter, regulars at he casino, at least on a monthly basis, with Players' cards, and guessing that they may only have had enough medication for the day with them in the car because they were planning to return home from the BBQ. Posted of review.
 
Forager said:
Sand Crab News offers a tantalizing trail of breadcrumbs for us there, but I haven't yet been able to connect the dots for myself. I have put a marker on the map to show the location of Turner Lake, a principal focus of the video, with a link to it. Turner Lake is off of Betsworth Rd, which runs west from Lilac Rd. in an area just to the west of the casino where the couple was last seen. (Scan down the list of map features on the left of the map screen and click on "Turner Lake (Youtube)")

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.khuzU1KdCXHY

Here's the link to the Sand Crab video on Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq1j_RRYqGg
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What is a Sand Crab News? Do they work with LE?
The turkey vulture at the end is strange.
If the gates are locked, does this person think Cecil and Dianna have a key?
Frankly I don't understand the "tantalizing breadcrumbs", unless this person is working in conjunction
with Law Enforcement or saw Cecil and Dianna there, I don't understand this. Really.
IMOO.
 
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