Recovered/Located CA - Cecil Knutson (dec'd), Dianna Bedwell (inj'd), Valley Ctr, 10 May 2015

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Valley View Casino to Escondido
25 minutes, 11.8 miles

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Val...0f7796c5df!2m2!1d-117.086421!2d33.1192068!3e0

I think this is the route they would have taken if they were not feeling well when they left the casino and wanted to head to the nearest medical facility.

Great post! Full of the kind of up close information that is otherwise hard to get. I've placed yellow map markers along the roads you mentioned, with snippets of your descriptions and links to your post.

I would have preferred to show actual lines along the the stretches of road you had in mind, but it would have involved too much guessing on my part. If you have the patience for it, I would be happy to give you editing rights to the map and talk you thru how to trace lines or areas on the map.

Link to Knutson & Bedwell map:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.khuzU1KdCXHY
 
Something has me questioning things right now ...

I believe there are two Facebook groups.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009252196356&pnref=friends.search

and

https://www.facebook.com/MissingPaulandDianna?fref=ts

Are these both legit? The first one, 'Missing Paul and Dianna', the community, I joined when they first went missing. Then a few days ago, I had a friend request for the 'Paul N Dianna' ... so now I am wondering if the second one, 'Paul N Dianna' is someone taking information from the Community page and it's not legit?

Thoughts???
 
Something has me questioning things right now ...

I believe there are two Facebook groups.

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100009252196356&pnref=friends.search

and

https://www.facebook.com/MissingPaulandDianna?fref=ts

Are these both legit? The first one, 'Missing Paul and Dianna', the community, I joined when they first went missing. Then a few days ago, I had a friend request for the 'Paul N Dianna' ... so now I am wondering if the second one, 'Paul N Dianna' is someone taking information from the Community page and it's not legit?

Thoughts???

You shouldn't have to "friend" anyone to be part of a community page. I would deny the request and stick with the community page you joined.
 
I agree - which is why I started thinking that something is wrong. I've messaged the Admins of the Community Page to make sure they are aware of the second page. I would hate to see it being a scam page, but it has happened before.

You shouldn't have to "friend" anyone to be part of a community page. I would deny the request and stick with the community page you joined.
 
I just thought of a logical explanation why Paul's cellphone pinged off the Deer Springs tower. More than likely it has already been brought up, but I've been drawing up plans the last couple of days and haven't been able to play catch up.

Due to the long day they had, lack of food, the long drive there, fatigue, losing 50 bucks, etc.........Paul and Dianne opted NOT to go to their sons house, but decided instead to head home. They decided to head over to I-15 and take the fast way to get to Fullerton. Somewhere along the way, a shortcut was taken and they ended up nose-down or wheels up at the bottom of a ravine or a gorge.

The most disturbing thing about this case to me, probably no less than 200 cars have driven by their current location without even realizing it. Of course, if they headed off on some dirt road cut-through, that may not actually be the case, but I'm assuming they were on pavement, which of course may be the completely wrong assumption.

As far as the gift shop visit goes, that may very well be the information their son talked about a couple of days back, but was asked to keep it "private" by LE. The reason for that was probably due to the fact that the cops can't validate the sighting and have no proof that it was actually them. I take it there was no video camera at the gift shop. That information was bound to come out sooner or later as the family's desperation continues to grow by the day.

Glad to see you hopped on board MyeKah, a local's perspective and input may prove to be invaluable in this case.

I owe, I owe.........back to work I go.
 
Google Maps
Valley View Casino to Escondido
25 minutes, 11.8 miles

https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Val...0f7796c5df!2m2!1d-117.086421!2d33.1192068!3e0

I think this is the route they would have taken if they were not feeling well when they left the casino and wanted to head to the nearest medical facility.

I've now highlighted the route you show on the Knutson & Bedwell map as "Casino to Escondido Medical Route". (Of course the payout in bragging rights for merely pointing the route isn't as rich as it would be if your were declaring a particular stretch of road as an area you "like" for the presumed accident. ;) )

The Knutson & Bedwell map:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.khuzU1KdCXHY
 
i just thought of a logical explanation why paul's cellphone pinged off the deer springs tower. More than likely it has already been brought up, but i've been drawing up plans the last couple of days and haven't been able to play catch up.

Due to the long day they had, lack of food, the long drive there, fatigue, losing 50 bucks, etc.........paul and dianne opted not to go to their sons house, but decided instead to head home. They decided to head over to i-15 and take the fast way to get to fullerton. Somewhere along the way, a shortcut was taken and they ended up nose-down or wheels up at the bottom of a ravine or a gorge.

The most disturbing thing about this case to me, probably no less than 200 cars have driven by their current location without even realizing it. Of course, if they headed off on some dirt road cut-through, that may not actually be the case, but i'm assuming they were on pavement, which of course may be the completely wrong assumption.

As far as the gift shop visit goes, that may very well be the information their son talked about a couple of days back, but was asked to keep it "private" by le. The reason for that was probably due to the fact that the cops can't validate the sighting and have no proof that it was actually them. I take it there was no video camera at the gift shop. That information was bound to come out sooner or later as the family's desperation continues to grow by the day.

Glad to see you hopped on board myekah, a local's perspective and input may prove to be invaluable in this case.

I owe, i owe.........back to work i go.

Steelman

Makes great sense. You help us make progress so often. Thank you. The roaming could have worn down both their phones, or they kept them off to avoid draining the battery, only turning it on when they're expecting calls or making calls. They had been at the slots, and as was so helpfully pointed out by other sleuthers, they may have had their phones off not to be disturbed. Excusing themselves at the last minute? If they decided not to go, why wouldn't they have stayed longer, or if they felt so awful to skip their family gathering why wouldn't they take time to recoup at the casino than risk a drive anywhere?
 
Apparently there are two pages started by the same family member. The 'Friend Request' site was started before they knew they could start a Community Page. Sorry for any confusion. I always judge on the side of caution with SM sites.
 
Apparently there are two pages started by the same family member. The 'Friend Request' site was started before they knew they could start a Community Page. Sorry for any confusion. I always judge on the side of caution with SM sites.

Thank you for taking the time. Much appreciated.
 
Steelman

Makes great sense. You help us make progress so often. Thank you. The roaming could have worn down both their phones, or they kept them off to avoid draining the battery, only turning it on when they're expecting calls. They had been at the slots, and as so helpfully was pointed out by other sleuthers, they may have had their phones off not to be disturbed. Excusing themselves at the last minute? If they decided not to go, why wouldn't they have stayed longer, or if they felt so awful to skip their family gathering why wouldn't they take time to recoup at the casino than risk a drive anywhere?

Maybe they were conflicted about it, and she turned her phone off until they discussed it further, or until it was charged up enough to make a 15 minute call. Pure hypothesis here, but they may have even been arguing about it......thus the accident. The fact that they didn't call them as they were leaving the casino, as they "normally did", tells me that they may have been wrestling with whether they should try and make the drive or not. I'm about 95% this is a bizarre accident.
 
Apparently there are two pages started by the same family member. The 'Friend Request' site was started before they knew they could start a Community Page. Sorry for any confusion. I always judge on the side of caution with SM sites.

Thanks for the info! :)
 
Maybe they were conflicted about it, and she turned her phone off until they discussed it further, or until it was charged up enough to make a 15 minute call. Pure hypothesis here, but they may have even been arguing about it......thus the accident. The fact that they didn't call them as they were leaving the casino, as they "normally did", tells me that they may have been wrestling with whether they should try and make the drive or not. I'm about 95% this is a bizarre accident.

Not releasing the video of them leaving the casino is concerning, along with a parallel investigation as well, IMOO.
 

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