Recovered/Located CA - Cecil Knutson (dec'd), Dianna Bedwell (inj'd), Valley Ctr, 10 May 2015

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I come from a family of chronic gamblers and was one myself at one time. When you got the fever...you tend to put off things. Also with the no eating....totally normal. You lose your appetite when gambling. And when you are at a machine...there is no way you can leave if you have already dumped money in. The jackpot is getting ready to hit and the lady behind you....wants your seat. So it's hard to leave to go eat. We always tease my 70 year old mom about her not eating and how we are gonna have to hook her up to an IV. She will not leave that machine.
I used to work in a casino. Sometimes when I came back for my next shift the same person would be at the same machine as when I left.

And using the coin buckets as bathrooms. I saw some disgusting things.

Along these lines, I saw a post on fb that the women had seen them in Vegas on Mother's day. Take it as rumour, I can't find the link now. But she was sure it was them and no one was taking her seriously.
 
I come from a family of chronic gamblers and was one myself at one time. When you got the fever...you tend to put off things. Also with the no eating....totally normal. You lose your appetite when gambling. And when you are at a machine...there is no way you can leave if you have already dumped money in. The jackpot is getting ready to hit and the lady behind you....wants your seat. So it's hard to leave to go eat. We always tease my 70 year old mom about her not eating and how we are gonna have to hook her up to an IV. She will not leave that machine.

I appreciate your post, because it does shed light on how some people might gamble.
We were at the casinos in Cripple Creek, Colorado on Sunday. My husband and I both had free popcorn, even though the sodium is high in that popcorn. We also had coffee and soda. We only stayed a couple hours.

If they were at a winning machine, I would think the other could have gotten them something to eat perhaps if they were hungry? Unless both were at machines and didn't want to get up.
With both of them having diabetes and considering their age, they might have to be careful of food prepared elsewhere other than home.
And for their age group (Anyone over age 51) Not more than 1500 milligrams of sodium per day, is not an easy thing to do when eating out.
IMOO.
 
Yes here is some insight.

First there are many places that could be turned down and reach a dead end, but most of them are not cliffs or areas that you would fall into. Valley Center is pretty flat. It's not until you head out of town that you have to use a grade to get down.
Now to dismiss one place right now. In the YouTube video "sand crab news" or whatever it was called. They were suggesting The Turner Lake area where that gate is to access Cougar Pass. Yes that road is a curvy hill, but there is no way they could get in there at all.
It is a locked gate, that is locked at all times by the owner. It used to be an open road short cut to Hidden Meadows, but people kept using it for dumping so the owner shut it down, only he can open it and he make sure it's always locked. So the YouTube video, out the window.

Next unlikely place. The main grade out of Valley Center, into Escondido. It would be Valley Center Road to Escondido on the Map. That road has Guard rails all the way down, not to mention a barrier wall that runs down the middle to divide the up n down lanes. Very hard to go over on that road unless it was at the bottom where the wall ends, but then it's not so steep there anymore. So I'd discount that.

So I've been trying to analyze this all out. Since the Cell Ping came from Deer Springs 15 mins after they left, but they were seen at a gift shop in Rincon after they left
so this part does not add up, since there is no way to get from Rincon to Deer Springs in 15 mins. So my theory on the Ping is it ping long distance. Like maybe they were near the tower.
This places it as Old Castle Road grade as a possibility. It's very steep and Deer Springs is straight shot over the mountain. Cell service is also spotty there so it may have drawn off the ping.

Next possible route. Lake Wholford itself. We would have to ignore the ping. But Lake Wholford into Escondido it a very treacherous road. Very deep drops. A Few bodies have been dropped off the side over the years. Gang related and other crazy stuff. Cell service is spotty in this area.

Next possible is totally ignoring the Ping but making more sense in the direction they were in. It's possible they pinged off deer springs from the casino area itself if there were no other towers of their phone service.

They were last seen in Rincon at a gift shop. From there is 2 more routes of interest.
If they took 76 to the left and decided to take to local short cut, which is a fast run to Temecula which would get them farther north and onto the freeway or onto 79 to go the back way. This would be Pala Temecula road. Windy, curvy it's a grade with lots of trees in the middle of it. If something went down there. It would be tough to see. This is the road Amber Dubois was found off.

Final Route. Eat on 76 from Rincon. This is "the other back way".
Most people go to Temecula and take 79 to the Coachella area. But most people in Valley Center take 76 out past lake henshaw. It's a shortcut into the desert valley towns and on this route, there is a lot of bad cell service.

Between the La Jolla Indian Reservation and Lake Henshaw, there is no Cell Phone service at all, totally dead. Maybe for 20 minutes of driving.
There is then another area like that once you get out of Anza and start going down the grade of stone mountains by Berrego Springs.

Hope this gives people a better idea.

Great post! Full of the kind of up close information that is otherwise hard to get. I've placed yellow map markers along the roads you mentioned, with snippets of your descriptions and links to your post.

I would have preferred to show actual lines along the the stretches of road you had in mind, but it would have involved too much guessing on my part. If you have the patience for it, I would be happy to give you editing rights to the map and talk you thru how to trace lines or areas on the map.

Link to Knutson & Bedwell map:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=z_XRj_yu3Dto.khuzU1KdCXHY
 
Forager - as a suggestion, you might consider sending your incredible map to the Amber Search team, or post on that FB page
 
Forager - as a suggestion, you might consider sending your incredible map to the Amber Search team, or post on that FB page

... and ask them how mapping searches is supposed to be done! But I will. I've got to believe that Amber and WS share a lot in terms of goals and motivation.
 
"Their son told NBC 7 he was expecting them for Mother's Day dinner at 4 p.m."

"He said when they didn’t show up by 4:30 p.m., he started dialing both their cellphones repeatedly, but no one answered."

Surely if their phones were both switched off they would go straight to voicemail? "No one answered" suggests they were ringing out?
 
Someone asked:

Has it been confirmed that they were spotted at Harrah's Rincon in the gift shop or is this a rumor?

Prayers to all of you!


Great to know thank you!

Great to have you here helping and keeping us up to date and informed about local conditions. Much appreciated. Please continue.
 
So are we to assume that they made it to Rincon? If they needed to stop at that gift shop, why not just make the trip to Harrahs, one stop, instead of stopping at Valley Center then Casino then stopping again for a gift shop.

I googled gift shops in Rincon - can't find any - except in Harrahs.

There is a small gift shop next to the fire station before you make it to Harras. It used to be a gas station but they turned it into a shop after the casino built a 7-11.
Also the lady running the page doesn't think they would take the back way because they needed to make frequent stops. So she thinks they went back into Valley Center. But that almost doesn't make sense because it's backtracking and they were almost to the back way. Why go all the way down to Rincon and then back if they were in a hurry?
 
Admin posted that they were not sure.

That's confusing! If they weren't sure, then why was it brought up in the first place from the admin to the poster??
The poster thought they WERE at the gift shop.

That's why MSM links are advised.
OK, Movin' On! :)
IMOO.
 
That is odd about the gift shop. I had a lengthy phone conversation with her giving her directions to Old Castle and she brought up the gift shop like it was a sure thing n how they probably went back into town.
I don't know if it was a case of a witness saying that n now they are unsure of the validity, or if it's something the cops want quiet n she spilled it by mistake. But it's just weird. Why not get all the info out there?
 
That's confusing! If they weren't sure, then why was it brought up in the first place from the admin to the poster??
The poster thought they WERE at the gift shop.

That's why MSM links are advised.
OK, Movin' On! :)
IMOO.

It would be a very short thread if we only posted certainties. It's hard to sort bad from good unvalidated information, but that's half the fun, and I'd rather do that than not get the information at all. Being clear about the information's origins helps.
 
It would be a very short thread if we only posted certainties. It's hard to sort bad from good unvalidated information, but that's half he fun, and I'd rather do that than not get the information at all. Being clear about the information's origins helps.

Thing is the poster stated it as fact, and the TOS here is to link a MSM link verifying the information.
It is one thing to qualify it with In My Own Opinion, or it is a rumor, but this was stated differently.
IMOO.
 
It would be a very short thread if we only posted certainties. It's hard to sort bad from good unvalidated information, but that's half the fun, and I'd rather do that than not get the information at all. Being clear about the information's origins helps.

Yes the origin was that very Facebook group. I posted on Sunday and asked if they had checked old castle. She then posted her phone number as the group admin, and asked me to call her.
I didn't get her name. All I know is she wasn't family but a family friend and that she lived in El Cajon California as she asked directions to Old Castle if she was coming from El Cajon.
 
wait. some random person claimed to be an admin for a FB page, posted her number on a public page and asked a poster to call her, and then wanted directions? and you don't know who she was? Do I have that right?

ETA: I don't do FB so I just want to make sure I understand how that went down - not being facetious. Your input here is much appreciated!
 
"Social Networks

Regarding Facebook, MySpace, Twitter, and other social networking or blog websites: Links may be used to direct posters to view something on a social networking page. But postings on social networking sites are not considered fact; they are rumor. "

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?65798-Etiquette-amp-Information


Ok, since it was from Facebook and not from MainStream Media it IS considered a rumor, according to TOS.
IMOO.
 
It wasn't from Facebook though. It was per phone conversation.[modsnip]
 
How Strange this all is!!
Where are you Cecil "Paul", and Dianna?
IMOO.
 
She didn't claim to be admin. She posted with the group account name. As she posted as the person who posts the notes on the main page. So her post was by "Missing Paul and Diana" which would mean she had to be an admin of the group to post as the group name.

wait. some random person claimed to be an admin for a FB page, posted her number on a public page and asked a poster to call her, and then wanted directions? and you don't know who she was? Do I have that right?

ETA: I don't do FB so I just want to make sure I understand how that went down - not being facetious. Your input here is much appreciated!
 

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