CA - Court upholds Menendez brothers' convictions

[otto]

Abusers often threaten their victims so the abuse remains a secret.

This isn't about children who are intimidated by authority. These two men, aged 18 and 21 at the time of the murders, had their entire lives ahead of them. They should have done what many people age 18-21 do: get a job, find a place to live, build a life and a future for themselves. I don't believe for a moment that two athletes with active social lives couldn't figure that out.

There's has long been a debate about whether murderers can blame an unfortunate childhood on their decision to kill people. Many have tried. The answer is no. Ted Bundy cannot blame his childhood family dysfunction for his decision to kidnap, torture, and murder young women.

If Lyle and Erik believe that they were mistreated during childhood, they should have reported their parents. They had options, they made choices, and they should live with the consequences.

 

[otto]

If Gisèle Pelicot shot her husband to prevent more rape from happening again, I wonder if people would be more compassionate because she's a woman.

Both Gisele and the M brothers were raped repeatedly for years.
Both Gisele and the brothers had pornographic photos taken of them.
Both patriarchs are sexual sadists.

Gisele had the benefit of age, the brothers didn't.

Pornographic photos of Lyle and Erik Menendez?

Menendez brothers burst into tears during emotional prison reunion after decades apart

Erik and Lyle Menendez are now both in the same San Diego prison.

abcnews.go.com

 

[housewife]

yes and sociopaths often make up lies and gaslight people into thinking they're the victims

What parts of the sexual abuse were lies?

 

[housewife]

Pornographic photos of Lyle and Erik Menendez?

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Menendez brothers burst into tears during emotional prison reunion after decades apart

Erik and Lyle Menendez are now both in the same San Diego prison.

abcnews.go.com

That photo seems sad. That is not the one I'm talking about.

We cannot post the photo of the boys as children, naked.

 

[housewife]

If Lyle and Erik believe that they were mistreated during childhood,

EDITED TO ADD: We all know about the pin torture, right?
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It's not a belief.
Sadistic abuse is much more than "mistreatment".

I look at push pins in a new way since this case.

 

[otto]

That photo seems sad. That is not the one I'm talking about.

We cannot post the photo of the boys as children, naked.

All the trial evidence is available online, and posting a link to trial evidence shouldn't be a problem. The above photo is the only one I'm aware of that was argued to be pornographic. It isn't.

 

[housewife]

All the trial evidence is available online, and posting a link to trial evidence shouldn't be a problem. The above photo is the only one I'm aware of that was argued to be pornographic. It isn't.

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Second link:
In the first trial the defense introduced into evidence an envelope (exhibit 219) containing a set of negatives (exhibit 220) made from a single roll of film. They also introduced the proof sheet of these negatives as well as prints of these negatives (exhibits 221 through 234). These exhibits were received into evidence without objection by the prosecution. The prosecution now objects to the defendants presenting exhibits during opening statements."

 

[LadyL]

What parts of the sexual abuse were lies?

I don't believe anything regarding sexual abuse coming out of their mouths.

 

[suspicious]

This isn't about children who are intimidated by authority. These two men, aged 18 and 21 at the time of the murders, had their entire lives ahead of them. They should have done what many people age 18-21 do: get a job, find a place to live, build a life and a future for themselves. I don't believe for a moment that two athletes with active social lives couldn't figure that out.

There's has long been a debate about whether murderers can blame an unfortunate childhood on their decision to kill people. Many have tried. The answer is no. Ted Bundy cannot blame his childhood family dysfunction for his decision to kidnap, torture, and murder young women.

If Lyle and Erik believe that they were mistreated during childhood, they should have reported their parents. They had options, they made choices, and they should live with the consequences.

I dont think you understand what happens to children who ate bullied and abused by both of their parents. And the deep long lasting trauma it causes

They also could have killed themselves.

Did they do the right thing? No…
Were they abused. Quite possibly.

My mum
Abused me for many years and ppl reported her and the school tried to help. But i was too scared to tell the truth. I had to to home to her every day. I was physically and verbally abused every day i was with her.
I havent murdered her. But i have so many issues. Even tho i deint live with my dad i had a loving father, who when found out took me out.

Maybe the parents were kind and loving. I highly doubt it. But if those boys were abused even 5% of what they have said, then i truly feel for them. No child should be abused ever.

 

[housewife]

I dont think you understand what happens to children who ate bullied and abused by both of their parents. And the deep long lasting trauma it causes

They also could have killed themselves.

Did they do the right thing? No…
Were they abused. Quite possibly.

My mum
Abused me for many years and ppl reported her and the school tried to help. But i was too scared to tell the truth. I had to to home to her every day. I was physically and verbally abused every day i was with her.
I havent murdered her. But i have so many issues. Even tho i deint live with my dad i had a loving father, who when found out took me out.

Maybe the parents were kind and loving. I highly doubt it. But if those boys were abused even 5% of what they have said, then i truly feel for them. No child should be abused ever.

Thank you for sharing that, suspicious. I'm glad you are here!

 

[housewife]

Here is more info on the headless pornographic photos. They were found in an envelope with Kitty's handwriting on it "Eric's birthday November 1976".

Why would parents keep these photos??

WARNING: DISTURBING, POSSIBLY TRIGGERING IMAGES AT FOLLOWING LINK

111-CA v. Menendez: Lyle Menendez Defense Closing Arguments: Jill Lansing

Defense attorney Jill Lansing delivers her closing argument in the case against Lyle Menendez.

www.courttv.com

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Abusers often threaten their victims so the abuse remains a secret.

But of course and that's why it's so hard to figure out in a 'he said, she said'. In this case, the two accused are dead and cannot defend themselves and our only way of establishing veracity of the allegation is the credibility of the alleged victims and any corroborating evidence such as complaints to others, other victims, letters, etc.

 

[housewife]

Bozanich really said: “men could not be raped, because they lack the necessary equipment to be raped”.

“Back in 1993, I interviewed every juror after the first trial,” Rand says. “All the women voted for manslaughter. All the men voted for murder. All the men said to me, ‘Well, a father would never do that to his sons, right?’ ... I think that we have evolved as a society over the past 30 years and we are much more willing to accept that these things really do happen, not only to women, but also to men.”

 

[Noirdame79]

Bozanich really said: “men could not be raped, because they lack the necessary equipment to be raped”.

“Back in 1993, I interviewed every juror after the first trial,” Rand says. “All the women voted for manslaughter. All the men voted for murder. All the men said to me, ‘Well, a father would never do that to his sons, right?’ ... I think that we have evolved as a society over the past 30 years and we are much more willing to accept that these things really do happen, not only to women, but also to men.”

Yep, she said during the Lyle Menendez jury instructions, "Your Honor, it is The People's position that men cannot be raped because they lack the necessary equipment." Footage of this can be found on Court TV's website and YouTube.

 

[theonewithallthequestions]

Yep, she said during the Lyle Menendez jury instructions, "Your Honor, it is The People's position that men cannot be raped because they lack the necessary equipment." Footage of this can be found on Court TV's website and YouTube.

Indeed. Her vile and blatantly false statement can be found here at the 1:12:22 mark here: 87-CA v. Menendez: OPJ: Lyle Menendez Jury Instructions

 

[TristanP]

I don’t understand why both things can’t be true, I think they were abused by their parents. But I also think they are cold blooded murderers who belong in prison.

They could have moved away and had whatever lives they wanted, but they didn’t want to give up the money.