CA CA - East Area Rapist/Golden State Killer *ARREST* #3

[EuTuCroquet?]

Your guess is as good as mine on this part.......very confusing. I'm sure he didn't have a partner in his crimes, so unless he's the luckiest guy in the world, which I think he was the way he evaded police, I don't know how else he got the info.

We know different counties & police forces didn't communicate much back then with each other.

I wonder how much info he would have learned from having access to a police scanner at that time. Could officers listen to other bands/channels used by other departments? I assume so, but I admittedly know nothing about the technology used or available back then.

 

[Gussified]

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Through the Sacramento Co. Assessor's website, I did find there was an ownership transfer on the Canyon Oaks Drive house in Citrus Heights, CA on December 2, 1993, but the site doesn't provide any other information on that.

Realtor.com shows the property last sold on April 11, 1980.


MOO

 

[questfortrue]

Yup......a good attorney will go after the methods of GED match site, etc.....they will go after the detectives & how they got the DNA.

Will the suspect plead guilty thinking he doesn't want to put his daughters thru a long trial, & lets see if they found the souvenirs he took from his victims......the defense will want to see all the evidence they have or will he plead not guilty like he did when he stole the hammer & a can of dog repellent?

I think he will plead not guilty. This guy had gotten away with it for 40 years, I don't see him rolling over easy. Unless he's had a complete nervous breakdown, I think it goes to trial, & that will take forever to get here, & will probably be a long stretched out trial.......I'm thinking 4 to 6 years from now, unless the prosecutor has a slam dunk case with all the evidence & stolen items.

But like mentioned, the attorney will fight how the familial DNA on the suspect was obtained & tracked to him. This could get messy......

Well I don't know what GSK will do, but I wanted to provide a little more info on the topic of GEDMatch and the acquisition of information in order to distill the possible UNSUB.

It is legal for detectives and investigators to use deception in interviewing suspects. In this case the deception may have been with the company GEDMatch. I am not arguing either way that this was legal or illegal. Genealogist/scientist Roberta Estes argues that the investigator had legal custody of that DNA and thus submission into GEDMatch was permissible. Good explanation of the process at https://dna-explained.com/2018/04/30/the-golden-state-killer-and-dna/

If I am reading the questions about this process, a number of folks have wondered if evidence (the partial matches within the GEDMatch database) was deceptively acquired, could a defense attorney try to have the DNA evidence suppressed?

However, and this is important, if LE would have jumped through the legal hoops of 23andme or another of the DNA genealogy companies, to obtain possible suspects, they could have landed at the same finish line – identifying possible subjects for further genealogical research. This would fit the definition of Inevitable Discovery: If a judge rules that an illegally seized piece of evidence eventually would have been discovered through legal means, it may be admitted. DNA evidence fitting Inevitable Discovery is therefore allowed in court.

Just my :twocents: .

 

[heartgoesout]

You know I thought the same thing, maybe since he's a cop, he can get that info, but if another police station in another county is doing the investigation, how would he get that info? I've been scratching me head on this.......I'm assuming he committed some crimes in his area, but don't think he did much in his immediate area where they patrolled. Who knows with this guy, he was so prolific as a peeper/voyeur/stalker, nobody knew exactly what he knew.

Makes me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time as a proficient criminal........also, let's not forget the gas station he supposedly visited to read nude magazines, & the cops were staking it out, he calls up & asks for the cop that's staking out the station, & laughs in the phone at the cop & hangs up.....like how in the world did he know that unless he had inside info?

Exeter was a small police department of less than 10 officers. 10 officers who certainly talked about stake outs, phone tapping, evidence, etc... I'm not sure how big the Auburn force was but hearing only 10 officers put it a bit more in perspective, good and bad, for me.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-golden-state-cops-20180501-story.html

 

[heartgoesout]

Realtor.com shows the property last sold on April 11, 1980.


MOO

Possibly match up in timeline however how the heck could he afford a new home without income having just been fired? Wife admitted to bar in 82
Doesn't seem like anyone across the web can find employment 79-89 or a confirmed home.

 

[SecretAgentMan]

I wonder how much info he would have learned from having access to a police scanner at that time. Could officers listen to other bands/channels used by other departments? I assume so, but I admittedly know nothing about the technology used or available back then.

I see what you're saying, & I could see him getting info listening in on stake outs, surveillance, etc......but not phone traps on certain victims.

 

[molly1255]

You know I thought the same thing, maybe since he's a cop, he can get that info, but if another police station in another county is doing the investigation, how would he get that info? I've been scratching me head on this.......I'm assuming he committed some crimes in his area, but don't think he did much in his immediate area where they patrolled. Who knows with this guy, he was so prolific as a peeper/voyeur/stalker, nobody knew exactly what he knew.

Makes me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time as a proficient criminal........also, let's not forget the gas station he supposedly visited to read nude magazines, & the cops were staking it out, he calls up & asks for the cop that's staking out the station, & laughs in the phone at the cop & hangs up.....like how in the world did he know that unless he had inside info?

He may turn out to be the most proficient serial killer/rapist who has ever lived. I'm still struggling as to whether I believe that he really stopped.

 

[Katharine]

It's amazing that since his arrest no-one has come forward for the missing about 10 year (1979-1989) period of where he was residing or working. Their oldest (1981) and youngest (1989) daughters were born in Sacramento. The middle daughter (1986) born in Los Angeles which is 24.2 miles from Long Beach. I am quite surprised no reporters have sniffed this out. There had to be neighbors, co-workers, or even those he might have done handy work or mechanic work if he was self employed during this time. He could even have done security guard work. It sure is curious.

 

[SecretAgentMan]

Well I don't know what GSK will do, but I wanted to provide a little more info on the topic of GEDMatch and the acquisition of information in order to distill the possible UNSUB.

It is legal for detectives and investigators to use deception in interviewing suspects. In this case the deception may have been with the company GEDMatch. I am not arguing either way that this was legal or illegal. Genealogist/scientist Roberta Estes argues that the investigator had legal custody of that DNA and thus submission into GEDMatch was permissible. Good explanation of the process at https://dna-explained.com/2018/04/30/the-golden-state-killer-and-dna/

If I am reading the questions about this process, a number of folks have wondered if evidence (the partial matches within the GEDMatch database) was deceptively acquired, could a defense attorney try to have the DNA evidence suppressed?

However, and this is important, if LE would have jumped through the legal hoops of 23andme or another of the DNA genealogy companies, to obtain possible suspects, they could have landed at the same finish line – identifying possible subjects for further genealogical research. This would fit the definition of Inevitable Discovery: If a judge rules that an illegally seized piece of evidence eventually would have been discovered through legal means, it may be admitted. DNA evidence fitting Inevitable Discovery is therefore allowed in court.

Just my :twocents: .

Yeah, good explanation, & I'm pretty sure no judge will let this guy slide on any technicality. This guy has been hunted for over 40 years, they cops finally beat him at his own game of "catch me if you can"

 

[Sillybilly]

Here's a Media thread for you. Go ahead and start posting and linking.

There was a timeline linked upthread but I would suggest members start their own timeline from MSM, LE info, and public documents rather than rely on a timeline compiled by someone else (when we have no idea of their sources).

Please remember the "No Discussion" rule in the Media threads, but you may provide a very brief intro of what you are posting (i.e. "The following article indicates JD lived in blah blah in 1999")

:tyou:

 

[SecretAgentMan]

He may turn out to be the most proficient serial killer/rapist who has ever lived. I'm still struggling as to whether I believe that he really stopped.

Yeah, I thought maybe he stopped after the 1986 murder when he was 41 years old, but then thought, this guy was evading all kinds of cops/detectives for over 10 years, & he was in physical shape.

41 years old is still young enough to commit the crimes he was use to but change his MO......although he was big time in self preservation, would he keep killing knowing DNA popped on the scene in 1986?

I'm pretty confident in saying he did not stop stalking/peeping/voyeurism even up until he was caught at 72 years old.

Don't think he raped at this age, but from every stated, he was physically fit & moved around as a 50 year old........if so, he probably could still kill, but I doubt it at this age, he still got his jollies off of peeping, etc... tho.

 

[molly1255]

I see what you're saying, & I could see him getting info listening in on stake outs, surveillance, etc......but not phone traps on certain victims.

It might be possible that he got some of his information by hearing things that were discussed by the officers who were working the case.

 

[SecretAgentMan]

It's amazing that since his arrest no-one has come forward for the missing about 10 year (1979-1989) period of where he was residing or working. Their oldest (1981) and youngest (1989) daughters were born in Sacramento. The middle daughter (1986) born in Los Angeles which is 24.2 miles from Long Beach. I am quite surprised no reporters have sniffed this out. There had to be neighbors, co-workers, or even those he might have done handy work or mechanic work if he was self employed during this time. He could even have done security guard work. It sure is curious.

IMO, I don't think Deangelo is anything like BTK when it comes to him spilling the beans & telling the world everything about his crimes & why..........Deangelo is too much of a control freak.

I think his daughters will eventually talk, but now, they probably are getting hounded & don't know how to handle it.......we can not comprehend their emotional state.

The separated wife should fill in any questions they have.......its gonna take some time for everyone in the family to come to grips, if that's even possible.

Info will eventually flow the public's way.....this case is so big, it may take some time.

 

[pass-thru]

Well I don't know what GSK will do, but I wanted to provide a little more info on the topic of GEDMatch and the acquisition of information in order to distill the possible UNSUB.

It is legal for detectives and investigators to use deception in interviewing suspects. In this case the deception may have been with the company GEDMatch. I am not arguing either way that this was legal or illegal. Genealogist/scientist Roberta Estes argues that the investigator had legal custody of that DNA and thus submission into GEDMatch was permissible. Good explanation of the process at https://dna-explained.com/2018/04/30/the-golden-state-killer-and-dna/

If I am reading the questions about this process, a number of folks have wondered if evidence (the partial matches within the GEDMatch database) was deceptively acquired, could a defense attorney try to have the DNA evidence suppressed?

However, and this is important, if LE would have jumped through the legal hoops of 23andme or another of the DNA genealogy companies, to obtain possible suspects, they could have landed at the same finish line – identifying possible subjects for further genealogical research. This would fit the definition of Inevitable Discovery: If a judge rules that an illegally seized piece of evidence eventually would have been discovered through legal means, it may be admitted. DNA evidence fitting Inevitable Discovery is therefore allowed in court.

Just my :twocents: .

The "inevitable" argument is a stretch....the legal hoops of those other sites require a court order....on what evidence would a court order have been given? What if JJD's relative hadn't submitted to those sites?

Regardless, it is a moot point. JJD's DNA was not seized from GEDmatch. His DNA was seized from 1)rape and murder victims at crime scenes, and 2) from material he abandoned in the trash. Those are both legal seizures. What color of argument would he have to contest GEDmatch? He has no standing. If anybody, it would be his relative. But you can't vicariously assert a legal privilege. And the terms of the site clearly state it is open source. There is no legal problem here.

I'm not even sure that GEDmatch evidence would need to be presented in court anyway.

 

[molly1255]

Yeah, I thought maybe he stopped after the 1986 murder when he was 41 years old, but then thought, this guy was evading all kinds of cops/detectives for over 10 years, & he was in physical shape.

41 years old is still young enough to commit the crimes he was use to but change his MO......although he was big time in self preservation, would he keep killing knowing DNA popped on the scene in 1986?

I'm pretty confident in saying he did not stop stalking/peeping/voyeurism even up until he was caught at 72 years old.

Don't think he raped at this age, but from every stated, he was physically fit & moved around as a 50 year old........if so, he probably could still kill, but I doubt it at this age, he still got his jollies off of peeping, etc... tho.

If he did stop killing, it may have been a combination of age, and as you said, self-preservation. He knew that his DNA could be used to point the finger at him. If the article from the DailyMail that was posted earlier on the forum is to believed, he was a regular at a local strip club up until the time he was arrested and he was considered to be a real odd-ball.

 

[SecretAgentMan]

It might be possible that he got some of his information by hearing things that were discussed by the officers who were working the case.

It could be.......but we're speculating on he he knew about all these situations. If he ever talks, we will find out.

What he should do is spill the beans, & tell his story, let books & movies be writing & made about his life & carnage, then give all the profits to the victims families.

But I don't think he feels guilty about the crimes he has committed, ........& he may not talk, because he still controls info most people want.

 

[SecretAgentMan]

If he did stop killing, it may have been a combination of age, and as you said, self-preservation. He knew that his DNA could be used to point the finger at him. If the article from the DailyMail that was posted earlier on the forum is to believed, he was a regular at a local strip club up until the time he was arrested and he was considered to be a real odd-ball.

If that article had truth to it, we know he was a sexual sadist, but he never picked up any strippers for some action? Maybe he was all look but no touch........but sitting in a strip club watching makes women dancing is a big tease, its amazing he had the self control not to even ask one of those girls for sex......probably because if he got arrested for trying to procure an escort, he would get arrested. He was a nervous Nelly, he did not want to get in trouble with the law......but he got caught for a DUI in 2012?? That's nuts.......I guess he could control his drinking

The guy would mumble & talk to himself when he was having a bad day, or whenever........this guy was on a level we haven't seen in a long time, if ever! Real oddball......but one thing he did that kept the cops away for over 40 years is he didn't talk about his crimes with anyone......most criminals get caught because they cant control themselves & gotta tell someone what they did.

 

[molly1255]

It's amazing that since his arrest no-one has come forward for the missing about 10 year (1979-1989) period of where he was residing or working. Their oldest (1981) and youngest (1989) daughters were born in Sacramento. The middle daughter (1986) born in Los Angeles which is 24.2 miles from Long Beach. I am quite surprised no reporters have sniffed this out. There had to be neighbors, co-workers, or even those he might have done handy work or mechanic work if he was self employed during this time. He could even have done security guard work. It sure is curious.

I wonder if he had any W-2's or 1099's during that time-frame?

 

[ocgrad]

I, too, would like to know where this guy worked from 1979 until 1990.

And I would also be interested in seeing a list of addresses where he lived to synch his crimes with his place of residence(s).

On one of the programs I watched, he lived in (or very near) Long Beach, CA. which is about 60-75 minutes south of the Ventura/Santa Barbara area where five couples were attacked or murdered from between October 1979 and July 1981. And Long Beach is about 45 minutes north of Laguna Niguel (where a couple was killed in 1980), and 30 minutes north of Irvine (where two separate murders occurred in '81 and '86).

So did he live in just the one residence during that entire time, or did he move around? And was he married? And where did he work when he was in Southern California? I'm sure that info will eventually be told, but I'm too impatient to wait. I want to know now! lol

County records buildings might be a good place to start. If he owned real estate, his name should be on file, right?

The address he is associated with in Long Beach belonged to his FIL. Not sure if he ever really lived there or just his wife. The 1st child was born in Sac area but the 2nd was born in LA County.

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[SecretAgentMan]

Deangelo was a plaintiff in a 1983 assault case