GUILTY CA - Erin Corwin, 19, pregnant, Twentynine Palms, 28 June 2014 - #1

[TravelingBug]

I am not understanding exactly what she was supposed to be doing that day? According to this new timeline that was released (link below) her husband stated she left at 7am to scout locations in JT and was expected back home at 4pm on that Saturday. Was she supposed to be scouting locations in JT for 9 hours? Also, there is a "no comment" about whether or not she was spotted on any of the numerous cameras in JT however, according to the San Bernardino Sheriffs Dept. spokesperson in the Greta interview today they are finding it hard to determine if she made it to the park (??) So maybe her car is caught on tape but not her specifically? Or no one is giving accurate information to the public? Frustrating. Hope she is found today.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/25971456/timeline-emerges-in-marine-wifes-mysterious-disappearance

Despite saying that, I sure think the fact that they're emphasizing that area/searching extensively that they have a pretty strong indication that she WAS there.

Or else that her CAR entered but that they may not know for sure if SHE was actually in it. As in, not being able to see the driver at all...seeing the driver NOT being her but seeing her in the car...seeing her as the driver but also someone else in the car...or seeing someone else driving it but NOT being able to tell if she was in the car (alive or dead).

 

[zwiebel]

San B has its own equine SAR, I think. So I don't think there is much chance LE will request the help of Texas Equusearch.

 

[CluelessWonder]

We know at least her car was at the park. That rules out a random stranger abducting her before she reached the park. There's no way a stranger would happen to go where she was already planning to go. We know she didn't get lost or injured at the park since her car can't drive itself out of the park. That leaves only two options. Either someone at the park did something to her or someone she knew did something to her before or during her trip to the park.

 

[zwiebel]

Whoever's done this to Erin is going to be facing double homicide charges soon, I believe, because of CA's Fetal Homicide law. They should come forward now and co-operate in bringing her home, because the DA will pursue the death penalty in this case, in my opinion. It might be their one and only chance to make some sort of deal.

 

[Eileen730]

We know at least her car was at the park. That rules out a random stranger abducting her before she reached the park. There's no way a stranger would happen to go where she was already planning to go. We know she didn't get lost or injured at the park since her car can't drive itself out of the park. That leaves only two options. Either someone at the park did something to her or someone she knew did something to her before or during her trip to the park.

I don't think they know her car was there. They found her car at the gate entrance to the base.
He car maybe never made it to JT. Maybe her phone did.

I wonder if the base has cameras and if her car left the base at any time during the evening prior ?

OR
Maybe she went there and met up with someone she knew?
I sure hope the cameras were working because it would show who was up there and who drove her car out of there.

 

[TGIRecovered]

Her sister-in-law was quoted as saying her car was found about a block off the base.

http://www.hidesertstar.com/news/article_30d113d0-016a-11e4-8d32-001a4bcf887a.html

This article says her car was found a couple of blocks from base.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/25971456/timeline-emerges-in-marine-wifes-mysterious-disappearance

If harm came to Erin on base the (killer/kidnapper/assaulter) probably would be thinking fast about how to avoid a military lead investigation. It s much harder to convict someone in a civilian court. It looks to me like someone who had to get back on base ditched the car outside the base after getting rid of a body. I'm sorry to be so blunt but I think that everyone realizes that it is possible, even probable, that Erin is no longer living. MOO

 

[TGIRecovered]

"Entrances to the park are equipped with multiple surveillance cameras. Reached by telephone Tuesday, a Joshua Tree chief ranger declined to comment on whether Corwin had been spotted entering or exiting the park on surveillance"

http://www.cbs8.com/story/25971456/timeline-emerges-in-marine-wifes-mysterious-disappearance

We also don't know if the sighting was Erin or if it was someone unidentifiable driving Erin's car.

 

[JerseyGirl]

"They have a great love. You don't always find that, you don't always see that, but when you see the two of them together, you know it's the real thing," says Erin Corwin's mother-in-law, Sheila Braden. Braden says Erin found out on Father's Day she was pregnant. The 19-year-old from Tennessee married her high school sweetheart, John, nearly two years ago. Braden says the two attended their senior prom together, and that her son is torn up inside about the disappearance of his wife.

"John is stoic. He internalizes a lot of emotions. It's apparent he's torn up inside over Erin being missing and wants his wife back, and he's still hoping and praying that that's going to happen."

There's been a lot of speculation about Erin's husband, John, a Marine stationed at Twentynine Palms. But Braden says it's unwarranted. "He can't speak out, his command has asked him to be quiet.. He feels helpless because he can't help with the search," says Braden.

But Braden says her son is staying close to the Twentynine Palms Marine Corps base in order to help where he can. "He wants to stay really close to where the investigators are."

And as far as any ideas on what happened to Erin, Braden says, "It's unknown right now, I don't want to speculate. I know there has been a lot of speculation about the husband, but John loves Erin, Erin loves John. I know there's no possible way that he had anything to do with it that-- thought never crossed my mind."

The family is simply devastated, Braden says. "I can't even think of another word, it's worse than that. It's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking."

http://www.kesq.com/news/marines-mother-breaks-silence-on-search-for-daughterinlaw/26857092

 

[nursebeeme]

just my :twocents: as a member but if LE (based on links and quotes up thread) thinks she is in the park I would hazard a guess that her car was spotted on some sort of JT ccvid and perhaps even entering and even perhaps leaving at a different time. I think something happened in the park and her car was dumped. It wouldn't take much to figure out that her car was registered on base. The fact that the car was back by the base is perplexing.. makes me think that at the least it was "staged" to make it look like something else??? And heck at this point maybe it WAS something else.. We just don't know much. But just because the public does not know much does not mean that LE doesn't :wink:

Her car really if found on Monday a few blocks from post should have been spotted sooner? :twocents:

I truly think LE has a lot of info and that is why it is all hush hush at this point.

Now puts on mod hat: we don't speculate about the husband until or unless he has been named a suspect or person of interest.. Nothing has changed about that rule and won't change so everyone please post keeping that in mind.

 

[JeannaT]

We know at least her car was at the park. That rules out a random stranger abducting her before she reached the park. There's no way a stranger would happen to go where she was already planning to go. We know she didn't get lost or injured at the park since her car can't drive itself out of the park. That leaves only two options. Either someone at the park did something to her or someone she knew did something to her before or during her trip to the park.

I don't think we know any of those things. Although it seems obvious they had good information that the car had been in the park, it seems now they don't know whether it was or not. And, she could have gotten lost or injured at the park if her car was jacked from there while while she got out to use the restroom or something.

 

[fabvab]

She told her mom she planned to go to Joshua Tree when she spoke to her on Friday.

As for having no description of her clothing, I'm not sure my husband could tell you what I was wearing on any given day unless I had fussed about the outfit. Actually, I just asked him. He totally would not be able to tell people what I was wearing. He'd guess jeans, my favorite color shirt and a brand of shoes. Nothing more specific.

I wonder if her mom would have encouraged Erin not to go to Joshua Tree if she had known at the time of this phone call that Erin was pregnant again? Especially since Erin was going alone.

 

[JeannaT]

I wish they would just say "yes, we have good evidence that she or her car were in the park on Saturday morning" or "we have no independent corroborating evidence that either she or the car were ever in the park at all". At this point, she could have stopped to help an injured animal, or a lost dog, on Valle Vista and someone coming along pretending to help could have kidnapped her. Which really isn't all that unlikely if they have no evidence she was in the park.

 

[Teche]

My husband uses the Spot device when he's out on the water when fishing. It's amazing!

 

[katydid23]

We know that Erin had to get that apt. set up by herself, while waiting for her husband to return from deployment. So I assume that she made friends with some of the neighbors during that time. I wonder if someone has an uninvited interest in her. It would be easy to have seen her leaving that morning, and to follow her. Or even ask a 'favor' like a ride or to meet quickly for some fake request.

The one good thing is that the base has a zillion cameras. My son works at a Naval Base. He says the operative rule is that you must assume you are on camera every minute of the day. One must keep that in mind at all times. So whatever happened probably was not visible on base at all.

 

[StrykerMom]

I wish they would just say "yes, we have good evidence that she or her car were in the park on Saturday morning" or "we have no independent corroborating evidence that either she or the car were ever in the park at all". At this point, she could have stopped to help an injured animal, or a lost dog, on the roadway and someone coming along pretending to help could have kidnapped her. Which really isn't all that unlikely if they have no evidence she was in the park.

Exactly. I feel the lack of information is hurting the search, causing everyone to focus on the wrong person/scenario. But maybe, and hopefully, it's just a tactic to keep their eyes on a specific someone, who feels "safe" with everyone's eyes on the husband.

 

[azure]

Exactly. I feel the lack of information is hurting the search, causing everyone to focus on the wrong person/scenario. But maybe, and hopefully, it's just a tactic to keep their eyes on a specific someone, who feels "safe" with everyone's eyes on the husband.

The only way LE's quiet makes sense is if this is a recovery operation and they're trying to get their ducks in a row to make an arrest. They can't have the public help because releasing the info they have might make their suspect run, and they need to have LE recover the body to preserve evidence.

I can't decide whether this tactic would work better on a suspect who is a member of the public, or a suspect who is very close to home. All IMO.

 

[JeannaT]

The only way LE's quiet makes sense is if this is a recovery operation and they're trying to get their ducks in a row to make an arrest. They can't have the public help because releasing the info they have might make their suspect run, and they need to have LE recover the body to preserve evidence.

I can't decide whether this tactic would work better on a suspect who is a member of the public, or a suspect who is very close to home. All IMO.

Basically, that's what Corporal Randy Naquin, public affairs officer with the San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Department said yesterday in the Fox News article. They're waiting to announce a person of interest/suspect until they've got clear evidence a crime has been committed - which seems like he's speaking of finding Corwin's remains.

And then today it seems there may not be any evidence - at all - that she was in the park. So they may have no evidence of anything.

Yesterday Naquin's remarks made it sound to me they pretty much had the arrest warrant written up and were just waiting for the searchers to locate remains.

 

[SuziQ]

I've been trying to find a good cell map for the 29 Palms area, with no luck. The FCC map only shows two registered towers and another map is towers and antennas. There appears to be no towers in JT or the base.

What I did find was comment after comment about how horrible the reception is. I know from personal experience that this is true. My DS and I have to call each other half a dozen times before we can hear each other. And then we only get to have a three minute conversation before we get cut off.

I really am concerned that there is not enough towers to triangulate a ping or be able to pinpoint a specific area.

 

[BRRI]

I've been trying to find a good cell map for the 29 Palms area, with no luck. The FCC map only shows two registered towers and another map is towers and antennas. There appears to be no towers in JT or the base.

What I did find was comment after comment about how horrible the reception is. I know from personal experience that this is true. My DS and I have to call each other half a dozen times before we can hear each other. And then we only get to have a three minute conversation before we get cut off.

I really am concerned that there is not enough towers to triangulate a ping or be able to pinpoint a specific area.

If there are very few towers, it would be really hard to triangulate because the towers would be covering a huge radius. I believe an average tower is approximately expected to cover a ~30mi radius. If there are few towers, that radius is likely much larger, more towards 40mi radius.

 

[CluelessWonder]

I don't think we know any of those things. Although it seems obvious they had good information that the car had been in the park, it seems now they don't know whether it was or not. And, she could have gotten lost or injured at the park if her car was jacked from there while while she got out to use the restroom or something.

I was making some educated guesses about things that are extremely unlikely. It's extremely unlikely that they would spend so much time searching the park if they didn't have proof that her car was there. It is extremely unlikely that someone would get lost or injured and have a car jacked all at the same time. It is extremely unlikely that a stranger would abduct her and then drive to the very place she had intended to go. Sure, any of those very things COULD have happened. She COULD have been abducted by an alien, too. But deduction is part of the art. You make educated guesses and focus on those things. Then, if those things don't pan out, you can look at less likely scenarios.