CA CA - Hannah, 16, Devonte, 15, & Sierra Hart, 12, Mendocino County, 26 March 2018 #1

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Poor little Sierra. I’m pretty sure she’s the 12-year old who ran to the neighbors in the middle of the night, and had her front teeth missing. She smiles with her mouth closed in every photo I’ve seen of the family. Breaks my damn heart.

The neighbors said one of the moms claimed she didn't want to get them fixed.I can't think of a single 12 year old girl I've ever met who isn't concerned about her looks and wouldn't want something done about missing her front teeth!

It’s also curious that it seems the 3 missing kids were the ones who had reached out to neighbors/teacher.

The 6 year old abuse victim from 2010/2011 is AH, the 16 year old girl who made the most recent contact with neighbor's was HH, and, of course, DH requesting the food.

DH, HH and SH (for whom I can find no documented recent abuse, just the 2010 allegations that all of them, except one boy, was physically punished) are currently missing.

Could that be because they became more isolated since then?

DH sought help from neighbors as recent as last week and HH has shown up as well. They say she was missing front teeth but I’ve wondered if HH and SH have been confused by neighbors. SH seems to smile in photos not showing teeth.

At any rate, it appears those that are missing were the ones showing signs of most recent abuse.

The neighbors could be wrong about HH or SH coming over. How recent are the pictures we are viewing? Heck...I'm not sure I know for sure who is who in pictures. Only one had them identified, but maybe it was not correct. I think the first article I saw had the moms misidentified.

I'm even confused by the story of the girl coming over in the middle of the night. First it was a girl w/ a blanket ringing the doorbell a couple weeks after they moved in, then (in Washington Post) it is 16 year old HH w/ missing teeth, covered in weeds, finding her way to the bedroom a few months after the move. Are these two separate incidents? Maybe one with H & one with S? I really didn't get that impression, though.

So, unless they were visited by two girls, only one of the missing girls has recently had reported abuse from what we have available in MSM, right?

I think all the kids were abused for many years while their moms portrayed a fantasy life online & at events.

Anyone able to enlighten me on who is who in the Hart family?
 
Jen Hart - YouTube

I'm an extreme left wing democratic socialist. I think I qualify as super liberal. I see nothing heroic about them. I find them to be totally repulsive, even before this. I was not impressed when I saw them drag the kid up there to hug the cop four years ago. I find the entire idea of someone adopting kids to make some type of political statement, to be disgusting.

After viewing the videos on the Jen Hart channel... I didn't get an impression of any inner happiness or joy emanating from these kids. It's as if they were made to perform for the camera, the moms carefully trying to craft an image they're wanting to project.

In the "Walking in a RedWORM" video, the child seemed trying to please and then scared but still forcing a smile. The mom (Jen?) speaking didn't have patience or kindness in her tone. Putting a worm on his head just seemed mean-spirited.

In "Project Earth 2012" @ :43 you hear a woman off-camera say to one of the children: "You gonna go give Nahko a hug?" while filming. And Devonte is again in his 'Free Hugs' sign around his neck.

In the "Thankgsgiving Blessings" video, the children are holding the musical instruments like props for a video performance meant for upload. It struck me as phony and forced (actually, all of the videos did). A commenter under this video posted: "Looks like a poorly scripted hostage video. The children don’t have spontaneous joy or happiness."
 
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...Anyone able to enlighten me on who is who in the Hart family?


This is one of the points I keep coming back to. There are no comments memorializing any of the kids. Except Devonte. He seems to be the “star” of the family. All I know about the others is their ages.

Even in the comments by family “friends”, it’s praise for either the moms or the children as a homogeneous group. There’s no mention of them as individuals. I’ve not seen a photo of an individual Abigail, for example, holding a butterfly in the backyard, or feeding a chicken. There are photos of the boys ostensibly camping. Didn’t see any of the girls.

Actually, as I write this, I get the feeling that the girls were specially marginalized. The one who smiles with her mouth closed especially tugs at my heart. She seems to be invisible.

Edited to add: my point is that I feel these kids were not PEOPLE, and just pawns to their parents. It doesn’t seem that they have friends outside their family nucleus and they really weren’t KNOWN.
 
Does anyone know if it is the expected outcome that all unbelted passengers in a vehicle involved in THIS type of crash would be ejected from the vehicle? It just seems improbable to me that all 6 kids and possibly two dogs were ejected. Were all of the windows fully open? Were the doors open? .....I suspect that the 3 missing kids may have been abandoned or murdered elsewhere.... I even wonder if the 3 kids found outside of the car may have been thrown over the cliff before the mommies plunged to their probable deaths, wearing seatbelts, to make everything look like a terrible accident. JMO
 
Does anyone know if it is the expected outcome that all unbelted passengers in a vehicle involved in THIS type of crash would be ejected from the vehicle? It just seems improbable to me that all 6 kids and possibly two dogs were ejected. Were all of the windows fully open? Were the doors open? .....I suspect that the 3 missing kids may have been abandoned or murdered elsewhere.... I even wonder if the 3 kids found outside of the car may have been thrown over the cliff before the mommies plunged to their probable deaths, wearing seatbelts, to make everything look like a terrible accident. JMO

It seems it might depend how many rotations the vehicle makes. The larger vehicles also increase the risk of ejection. Seatbelt use is #1 though and I struggle a little to understand why these kids would be unbelted. I can't imagine the kids were regularly allowed to ride unbelted in this family. I guess now that I think about it, I don't know if it is reported whether the three who were ejected were belted prior to the crash.

I did link to a study a few pages ago. Here is a similar link.

Factors affecting ejection risk in rollover crashes. ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pubmed
 
I am just finding this case here due to the gray Hughes video he has posted on his YouTube. I haven't gone up thread to see if it's been posted before.

Such a tragedy, I'm leaning one way, but I need to get better versed in this case.
 
For everyone asking who is who I think the hardest to determine is the girls.* I have included a photo of the family.* It is Markis, the moms,* Jeremiah,** Sierra,* abbi,* devonte and Hannah.* I could be wrong about the girls but we know who is who of the boys because we know who devonte is and markis being the eldest we know which boy he is.* None of them however look their ages.* Also,* I found this odd I was looking through fb and all the friends defending Sarah and Jen* and their parenting style all have photos of these kids but the same pattern with every photo it's 3 to 4 years old.*
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For everyone asking who is who I think the hardest to determine is the girls.* I have included a photo of the family.* It is Markis, the moms,* Jeremiah,** Sierra,* abbi,* devonte and Hannah.* I could be wrong about the girls but we know who is who of the boys because we know who devonte is and markis being the eldest we know which boy he is.* None of them however look their ages.* Also,* I found this odd I was looking through fb and all the friends defending Sarah and Jen* and their parenting style all have photos of these kids but the same pattern with every photo it's 3 to 4 years old.*
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Per Gray Hughes YouTube who is member here, names and ages screenshot within video at link

Screenshot_20180401-113441.jpgGrey Hughes YouTube

https://youtu.be/Tmpn7KAlJQE
 
All news sources state that both women are either 38 or 39, so I think one of the women's age is wrong on that video. Also, if all the photos are indeed 3-4 years old, that is a major red flag. One of many.
 
Per Gray Hughes YouTube who is member here, names and ages screenshot within video at link

View attachment 132291Grey Hughes YouTube

https://youtu.be/Tmpn7KAlJQE

Yes, this is the identification I'd seen in another article. Other posters seem to think HH might have been misidentified. I wonder if anyone knows for sure.

Is it fair to assume the darker skinned trio is one sibling group? Is that influencing the identification?
 
It seems it might depend how many rotations the vehicle makes. The larger vehicles also increase the risk of ejection. Seatbelt use is #1 though and I struggle a little to understand why these kids would be unbelted. I can't imagine the kids were regularly allowed to ride unbelted in this family. I guess now that I think about it, I don't know if it is reported whether the three who were ejected were belted prior to the crash.

I did link to a study a few pages ago. Here is a similar link.

Factors affecting ejection risk in rollover crashes. ...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov › pubmed

Articles have said the 3 children ejected were NOT wearing seat belts.

the more I read on ejections the more I realize that many times people unbelted become missiles and go right through
windows and windshields. Unbelted and in the back seat can also kill front seat passengers, even if belted.
I'd like to know the location and how close to water, the 3 children were found. One article said they were in water.
I'm still suspicious of the missing 3.
CHP said they've received numerous tips but haven't announced anything new that I've seen.
 
Articles have said the 3 children ejected were NOT wearing seat belts.

the more I read on ejections the more I realize that many times people unbelted become missiles and go right through
windows and windshields. Unbelted and in the back seat can also kill front seat passengers, even if belted.
I'd like to know the location and how close to water, the 3 children were found. One article said they were in water.
I'm still suspicious of the missing 3.
CHP said they've received numerous tips but haven't announced anything new that I've seen.

IIRC, the Gray Hughes video has location of those children found in above link. I'm off for today for family time, if someone else doesn't do a screenshot before then, I may be able to do it around midnight tonight.

ETA..gray explains in the video the age discrepancy
 
I have six kids (my username is outdated lol) from 1-21 and you can tell just driving by my house. I try hard to have them clean up the outside toys but I’d rather they be outside having fun than have an immaculate yard. We are more free spirited, laid back, outdoorsy, natural consequence type of “attachment” parents but we also believe “everything in moderation.” We buy organic and limit sodas and “junk” and prefer our kids interact and play outdoors but we eat out, fill stockings with candy, and have days of PS4 battles and movie marathons.

I’m also so baffled by the penny in the pocket incident. I don’t even understand why that was a punishable offense, let alone an “I lost control” incident. We don’t spank but I can certainly understand getting angry and overreacting. I just don’t understand how a penny in a little child’s pocket could anger anyone. It just screams of deeper issues to me.

I keep wondering about the factors, here, and their context. The outcome remains the same, of course, and so does my opinion of what happened. I think the crash was intentional. These moms had serious, serious issues - anger, resentment, possible mental illness, etc. Every one of the Harts should have been in therapy; the kids needed long-term care from professionals to help them along. It seems like the kids were largely props, or vehicles for devotion/love/validation for one if not both moms.

I wonder about things like the penny incident. It is possible that the child had an issue with hoarding, survival stealing, or something else, and the penny was somewhat of a backslide into old behaviors. The appropriate response from the mom would have been to do something like sit with the child and talk to them about how they were feeling when they saw the penny, or maybe what happened that day before they took the penny, etc. The mother’s WILDLY abusive response screams control issues, violent behavior patterns, and total lack of support systems for the kids (i.e therapists, doctors, teachers with IEP plans, etc).

I’m thinking one mom was bipolar or similar, and exhibited impulsive behavior that spiraled - “let’s adopt a ton of kids with special needs! Let’s live off the land! Let’s move to a huge house! Let’s drive off a cliff!” - and got her way, either by the other mom being too railroaded to say no OR being such a pleaser that she caved.

Either way, it’s horrible. There was so much help available for these moms to care for their kids (if they really wanted the kids anyway) and for the kids to thrive. They obviously had access to doctors and programs and so on, and either thought they were “corrupt” or that they as moms could do better than, say, professionals (UGH). All the huggy, touchy crap is so detrimental to kids with RAD/abuse backgrounds/sensory issues (any kids, really), and the fact that the moms were pushing them to be these little faux-love machines is so out of touch with the reality of the situation it’s staggering.

I am hoping that Devonte and his sibs are camping somewhere with some off-the-grid family friends who have no idea what’s going on, and they will wander into a store soon and be noticed straightaway. I keep seeing Devonte’s smile... despite everything, that kid had light in him. I hope he is out there and he and his sisters get to pick up and have a great life. Unlikely, but I hope.




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This is one of the points I keep coming back to. There are no comments memorializing any of the kids. Except Devonte. He seems to be the “star” of the family. All I know about the others is their ages.

Even in the comments by family “friends”, it’s praise for either the moms or the children as a homogeneous group. There’s no mention of them as individuals. I’ve not seen a photo of an individual Abigail, for example, holding a butterfly in the backyard, or feeding a chicken. There are photos of the boys ostensibly camping. Didn’t see any of the girls.

Actually, as I write this, I get the feeling that the girls were specially marginalized. The one who smiles with her mouth closed especially tugs at my heart. She seems to be invisible.

Edited to add: my point is that I feel these kids were not PEOPLE, and just pawns to their parents. It doesn’t seem that they have friends outside their family nucleus and they really weren’t KNOWN.
I agree about Devonte seeming to be the star of the family. I've looked at many pictures that family friends have shared on facebook and the majority are of Devonte either by himself or with various other people or of the whole family together. There don't seem to be individual pics of any of the other kids, it's very strange.

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I'm very late joining This Thread, can somebody bump a mainstream article about the penny that everybody is talking about? Don't go to any trouble only if you have it saved please.. thank you
 
IIRC, the Gray Hughes video has location of those children found in above link. I'm off for today for family time, if someone else doesn't do a screenshot before then, I may be able to do it around midnight tonight.

ETA..gray explains in the video the age discrepancy

I just watched his video and saw/heard nothing about the location of the bodies of the children.

Is Gray Hughes an investigator or a regular person giving his opinions?
 
I just watched his video and saw/heard nothing about the location of the bodies of the children.

Is Gray Hughes an investigator or a regular person giving his opinions?

Gray Hughes is a long time Websleuths member. One of the things that concerns me about his video is that he refers to the "car tracks" as if they were made by the GMC Yukon. The CHP, and others, have clarified that those tracks and the ruts near the cliff were made by the recovery vehicles. There were no unusual tracks made by the family vehicle.
 
According to this article:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...f-cliff-had-troubled-home-life-neighbors-say/
On the Thursday (the day before CPS were contacted) on the third visit of the day to the neighbours home asking for food, at around 11.30pm, Devonte asked the neighbours if they could provide him with 6 packs of Tortillas, a case of peanut butter, cured meats and apples. Does anyone know if this was given to him? They would probably have had to go out and purchase these items first so maybe not but I was wondering if maybe Devonte was planning on running away and needed these food stuffs to take with him and his siblings. I think it's a possibility, albeit a remote one, that the three children that are missing perhaps ran away and that's why the parents set off on the journey initially, to look for them. IF the children did run, they wouldn't even know that there were honest, decent people searching for them, but still be in hiding and afraid to come out. I know it's nearly a week now and foodstuffs would run out but stranger things have happened...
It doesn't seem the three missing were in the car, unless the car was seen on a camera somewhere that showed all the children were inside the car.
Wherever the three missing children are then the two dogs? must be with them. I'm really hoping for this scenario no matter how small the chance may be, rather than them lost in that sea.



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Been reading, new to this one. Wow. I, like so many others don't believe the three missing children were even in the SUV on this trip. Something already happened to them. I'd like to believe they escaped, but since their actions stirred up interest by CPS into the family, it seems more likely that was the catalyst to everything else that has occurred.

And the others in the vehicle, unbelted? Screams of a murder/suicide pact between the Mom's to me and those poor babies were colatteral damage. This is so heartbreaking. I pray LE gets to the truth and finds the three children who are currently unaccounted for.
 
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