CA CA - Newhall, WhtFem Skeletal UP4370, 15-20, red hoodie, Aug'80

[AnnieOakley]

I thought the UID had no DNA, Kimberly has DNA -- UID has dentals - Kimberly no dentals?

Is there a way to confirm if this UID does have DNA in codis? I really feel this could be Kim Kahler.

 

[AnnieOakley]

double post

 

[carbuff]

Current exclusions (recent additions in bold)

• Marie Blee 1964 Colorado
• MP2928 Kristy Booth 02/02/1980 Midland TX
• Sandra Butler 1962 Nevada
• Teri Caulfield Unknown California
• MP7870 Rebecca Dunn 05/10/1979 Clark NV
• Andrea Hall 1960 California
• Julie Galloway Unknown California
• MP6293 Cynthia Leslie 07/31/1974 Maricopa AZ
• MP6391 Angela Meeker 07/07/1979 Pierce WA
• Connie Minchaca 1960 California
• MP6429 Julie Moseley 12/23/1974 Tarrant TX
• MP4646 Robyn Pettinato 07/05/1975 Flathead MT
• Debra Pscholka 1958 California
• MP2779 Simone Ridinger 09/02/1977 MiddlesexMA
• MP4571 Lucinda Schaefer 06/24/1979 Los Angeles CA
• MP2559 Lisa White 11/01/1974 Tolland CT MP2785
• Christina White 04/28/1979 Asotin WA
• Cheryl Wyant 1964 California
• MP7586 Rachel Ziselman 09/05/1977 Los Angeles CA

Also, Cecile Moch 1960 California via individual submission.

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[theshadow45]

Newhall Jane Doe has been unidentified for 40 years today.

 

[Kenzie3893]

I've been looking into the Newhall, CA Jane Doe and I've seen some women that fit the timeline, description and could be possible identities. I came across them on Namus. Some have already been mentioned in the thread.

Cecile Frances Moch: Moch was last seen in Santa Barbara, California on August 7th, 1980. She was 19 years old at the time of her disappearance. She is white and her hair is described to be “light brown to blonde.” She has pierced ears, with 3 holes on the left. She is 5’3” and 100 lbs. Her AMC Gremlin was found abandoned in the Santa Ynez Mountains northeast of Santa Barbara. Pictures of Cecile can be found here because I cannot paste more than 5 photos in this.

Khymbrly Marcella Scruggs: Scruggs was last seen Sacramento, California on January 12, 1980. She was 19 years old at the time of her disappearance. She is white with shoulder length, sandy hair and brown eyes. She is 5’6” and 115 lbs. She has a chipped front tooth. (Which tooth is unclear.) She was attending Sacramento State University and lived with her roommate in an apartment. On January 13th, the day after she was last seen, Khymbrly’s roommate came home to find all of her personal items in the apartment and she did not show up for work. She has not been heard from since. A neighbor to Khymbrly reportedly had cuts and scratches on his body after her disappearance but sufficient evidence to convict the suspect was never found.

Kimberly Ann Kahler: Kahler was last seen on January 1st, 1980 in Venice, California (some sources say Marina Del Rey, California) in the company of an unknown male. She was 15 years old when she disappeared. She is white with freckles and a small scar on her upper left lip. She appears to have blonde hair with blue eyes. She is 5’8” and 145 lbs. Many details about her disappearance is unknown.

Those are the 3 women I am most confident in being a match. I found 3 more that could possibly be our doe but its a bit of a stretch, with 2 of the women being from the other side of the country in New Hampshire.

Adrianna Gilliam: Gilliam was last seen on June 22nd, 1979 in San Jose, California. She was 19 years old at the time of her disappearance. She is white with blonde hair and blue eyes. She is 5’8” and 110 lbs. Gilliam worked for a temp agency as a nursing assistant and never came home from a shift. Her S/O (Gary Johnson) said that Adrianna came from an abusive home and was a caregiver to her many siblings. Johnson claimed that a prison informant lied to authorities and told them he had admitted to Gilliam's murder. He was charged and brought to trial in California. Several of Gilliam's family members testified that they believed Johnson was responsible for her death. He was convicted of her murder and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Her body has never been located.

Denise Ann Daneault: Daneault was last seen at 1:30 am June 8th, 1980 in Manchester, New Hampshire. That night she was drinking at a club. Two men say they spoke with her as she was leaving the Merrimack club, one said that Daneault planned on going to a party that night. She was 25 at the time of her disappearance. She is white with light brown hair and green eyes. She is 5’5”-5’6” and 135-140lbs. Daneaut lived only a few doors down from suspected serial killer Terry Peder Rasmussen. He is believed to be responsible for the murders of 5 women (7 including Daneault and Rahn). The 5 are Denise Beaudin, who vanished in Goffstown, NH in 1981 and was never found. As well as four female murder victims found in the Bear Brook State Park who were likely killed between 1978 and 1981.

Laureen Ann Rahn: Rahn was last seen April 26th, 1980 in her own apartment. She was 5’4” and 90lbs. At the time of the disappearance she was 14 years old with brown hair and blue eyes. She lived with her mother, Judith Rahn, in a third-floor apartment on Merrimack Street in Manchester, New Hampshire. Judith's then-boyfriend and Judith were out of town at a tennis tournament when Laureen disappeared. That evening, Laureen and 2 friends were drinking in the apartment. One friend later stated he heard voices in the hallway and left through the back door because he thought Laureen's mother was coming home and he was afraid he would get in trouble. He heard Laureen lock the door behind him. When she arrived home at midnight, she noticed that the light bulbs in hallways on all three floors of the apartment building had been unscrewed and everything was dark. Her own apartment's front door was unlocked. Judith checked Laureen's room and thought she saw her in bed. In the morning, however, Judith discovered that it was not Laureen, but her friend asleep in her room. Laureen was gone, her clothes and brand new sneakers were in the living room, and the back door was open. Her friend stated she'd last seen her sleeping on the couch. Her disappearance took place 6 weeks and 2 blocks away from Denise Ann Daneault's, making Rasmussen a suspect in her disappearance as well.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Refreshing the thread...

1225UFCA

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[theshadow45]

Newhall Jane Doe has been unidentified for 41 years today.

 

[carbuff]

Current exclusions for The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)


MP5860 Marie Blee 11/21/1979 Routt CO
MP2928 Kristy Booth 02/02/1980 Midland TX
MP5901 Sandra Butler 06/26/1978 Washoe NV
-- Teri Caufield -- -- CA
MP7870 Rebecca Dunn 05/10/1979 Clark NV
MP18051 Andrea Hall 07/08/1979 Los Angeles CA
-- Galloway Julie -- -- CA
MP6293 Cynthia Leslie 07/31/1974 Maricopa AZ
MP6391 Angela Meeker 07/07/1979 Pierce WA
MP6408 Connie Minchaca 06/09/1978 Napa CA
MP6429 Julie Moseley 12/23/1974 Tarrant TX
MP4646 Robyn Pettinato 07/05/1975 Flathead MT
MP4554 Debra Pscholka 06/05/1971 Riverside CA
MP2779 Simone Ridinger 09/02/1977 Middlesex MA
MP4571 Lucinda Schaefer 06/24/1979 Los Angeles CA
MP2559 Lisa White 11/01/1974 Tolland CT
MP2785 Christina White 04/28/1979 Asotin WA
MP4607 Cheryl Wyant 05/30/1978 San Bernardino CA
MP7586 Rachel Ziselman 09/05/1977 Los Angeles CA

 

[dawncoop75]

I'm sure that Doug Clark had almost no involvement with the Sunset Strip murders. It is physically impossible for him to have killed most of them. He had an alibi for 3 out of the 5 murders. Additionally, the evidence for his guilt derives entirely from Carol Bundy, who initially claimed to know nothing about this murder. Later, she did a 180 and provided detailed information about the murder. To me, the likely answer is that John Robert "Jack" Murray, a former boyfriend of Carol that she killed, was her accomplice, NOT Douglas Daniel "Doug" Clark. Murray had torture and BDSM stuff in his van. Seems to me that Murray and Bundy did the murders, then Bundy got Clark to help her dispose of the evidence. Bundy then accused CLARK of being her accomplice.

While Clark is a monstrous human being who molested children, the only evidence that he was a murderer comes solely from Carol Bundy. And considering Clark had alibis...

I absolutely agree with you! Do you know where I can get more information about Jack Murray?

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Newhall Jane Doe (Jane Doe 18)

 

[theshadow45]

Newhall Jane Doe has been unidentified for 42 years today.

 

[LucyOso]

There are 2 other UID from the Sunset Murders/ same killer(s). Are they testing the above rule-outs for all at the same time? Or is it case by case, submission by submission. Curious.

1225UFCA

1363UFCA

1322UFCA

 

[John/Jane Doe]

Could someone post the current Newhall Jane Doe/Jane Doe 18 exclusion list from NamUs? I don't live in the US so I can't see the list of exclusions.

 

[Melt71]

21 exclusions in Namus (the systems says 23 but two are repeated).

 

[SimsGuy67]

I wonder if Alma Root has ever been considered.

Here is the table of info:

	Alma Violet Root #MP3881	Newhall Jane Doe (1980) #UP4370	Possible?
Sex	Female	Female	Match
Race	White/Caucasian	White/Caucasian	Match
Age Range	14	15-20	Match
Height	5'4"	5'5" Estimated	Match
Weight	130lbs	Unknown	Possible/Match
D.L.C/D.O.D	January 1, 1980	1979-1980	Match
Hair Color	Brown	Brown/Blond	Possible
Eye Color	Brown	Unknown	Possible/Match
Distinctive Features	Tattoo above breast of a blue heart.	Unknown	Possible/Match
Circumstances	May be travelling with a male companion	Found in Newhall, CA in a vacant lot. Carol Bundy and Doug Clark confessed to her murder.	Match
Distance	Sacramento-Newhall	355 miles (5hr 10min)	Possible

Would not be surprised if she has already been considered and/or excluded. Let me know what you think though!

 

[Melt71]

Alma's Charley Project file indicates she had an older boyfriend - she was 14yo and he was 25yo. He was with her, claims to have dropped her at a location and then went to work at the nearby AirForce base but when he came to pick her up after work she wasn't at the meeting place. I guess she could have gone with someone else in the interim while her bf was at work... but I wonder how much of an alibi he has for the time he says they were together before he dropped her off? Alma Violet Root – The Charley Project

 

[sonz82]

Could someone post the current Newhall Jane Doe/Jane Doe 18 exclusion list from NamUs? I don't live in the US so I can't see the list of exclusions.

Check out the unidentified wiki page, all the exclusions are on there. (I can't access namus either)

 

[HmmMysterious]

Bumping. I think Christine Gregg is a possible candidate

Christine Gregg had brown hair vs Newhall Jane Doe either had brown hair (NamUs) or blond to brown (DoeNetwork)
Both were white/Caucasian
Gregg was 22-23 in 1979-1980 vs Newhall JD was 15-20 when she died in 1979-1980

Gregg disappeared from Sacramento, California in 1976 after giving birth to her daughter; Sacramento is 5 and a half hours away from Newhall

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Christine seems to have fairly dark brown hair - I guess if she was there long enough, her hair could've been sun-bleached.

 

[LucyOso]

View attachment 400042
Christine seems to have fairly dark brown hair - I guess if she was there long enough, her hair could've been sun-bleached.

That phot also looks pretty dark. How long was UID exposed to the elements?