Identified! CA - Pacifica, WhtFem 593UFCA, 25-46, found in tent, Jun'06 - Christine Kuhn

[sfbaynancydrew]

I am so grateful for all of the volunteers and people funding the DNA database and posting the information on individuals, non-matches, etc. As the databases and volunteers grow, so increases the possibility of these Jane and John Doe's being put to rest.

 

[wannabeasupersleuth]

The mugshot of Bridget is from 1997...

Just saw the full rule out list....she's been ruled out...

 

[sidneyia]

Kathryn LaMadrid was mentioned in this thread as resembling this Doe and I noticed she is not on the rule-out list.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lamadrid_kathryn.html

Pros:
- height is within range, weight is only 10 lbs. off
- age is within range
- Jane Doe had "high quality dental work"; LaMadrid is shown with braces in one picture
- LaMadrid had a history of mental illness and had stopped taking her medication. She is also described as having possible amnesia from a head injury.
- clothing style matches - but, this might not matter since JD was homeless and likely wearing whatever she could find
- JD was found only ~3 hours from where LaMadrid went missing, a reasonable distance IMO for someone to travel, especially within a year and a half

Cons:
- no finger tattoo mentioned on JD but I'm not sure that would still be visible given the condition of her body
- no mention of glasses or contacts found with JD
- no mention of healed injuries on JD consistent with La Madrid's car accident
- eye color doesn't match ("blue/hazel" for LaMadrid vs. brown for JD)

Does this seem like it's worth pursuing as a match?

 

[carbuff]

Kathryn LaMadrid was mentioned in this thread as resembling this Doe and I noticed she is not on the rule-out list.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lamadrid_kathryn.html

Pros:
- height is within range, weight is only 10 lbs. off
- age is within range
- Jane Doe had "high quality dental work"; LaMadrid is shown with braces in one picture
- LaMadrid had a history of mental illness and had stopped taking her medication. She is also described as having possible amnesia from a head injury.
- clothing style matches - but, this might not matter since JD was homeless and likely wearing whatever she could find
- JD was found only ~3 hours from where LaMadrid went missing, a reasonable distance IMO for someone to travel, especially within a year and a half

Cons:
- no finger tattoo mentioned on JD but I'm not sure that would still be visible given the condition of her body
- no mention of glasses or contacts found with JD
- no mention of healed injuries on JD consistent with La Madrid's car accident
- eye color doesn't match ("blue/hazel" for LaMadrid vs. brown for JD)

Does this seem like it's worth pursuing as a match?

The injuries don't concern me too much since it was two years before JD was found, and LaMadrid's missing report doesn't mention fractures. Everything might have healed.

Namus describes JD's dental work as "Prior orthodontic treatment" so that's a strong match with LaMadrid's obvious braces.

The possible sightings of LaMadrid in Oregon and northern California as well as Pacifica would seem to indicate she traveled around some.

The eye color is an interesting question. LaMadrid's eyes look dark in all her photos.

I put several of LaMadrid's photos side by side with the mugshot of JD. I wish there was a side or profile view of JD; it's hard to judge her nose with the lighting and slightly tilted angle the mugshot was taken from.

 

[lcroberts9]

Kathryn LaMadrid was mentioned in this thread as resembling this Doe and I noticed she is not on the rule-out list.

http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lamadrid_kathryn.html

Pros:
- height is within range, weight is only 10 lbs. off
- age is within range
- Jane Doe had "high quality dental work"; LaMadrid is shown with braces in one picture
- LaMadrid had a history of mental illness and had stopped taking her medication. She is also described as having possible amnesia from a head injury.
- clothing style matches - but, this might not matter since JD was homeless and likely wearing whatever she could find
- JD was found only ~3 hours from where LaMadrid went missing, a reasonable distance IMO for someone to travel, especially within a year and a half

Cons:
- no finger tattoo mentioned on JD but I'm not sure that would still be visible given the condition of her body
- no mention of glasses or contacts found with JD
- no mention of healed injuries on JD consistent with La Madrid's car accident
- eye color doesn't match ("blue/hazel" for LaMadrid vs. brown for JD)

Does this seem like it's worth pursuing as a match?

I'm no expert at this but in spite of the possible eye colour discrepancy it's something about the eyes that says they look rather alike to me - possibly because of the wide-eyed stare in Kathryn's first photo (mugshot?!) on Charley Project

 

[sidneyia]

I'm no expert at this but in spite of the possible eye colour discrepancy it's something about the eyes that says they look rather alike to me - possibly because of the wide-eyed stare in Kathryn's first photo (mugshot?!) on Charley Project

I agree. Kathryn also looks really banged-up in that mugshot. If it was post-car wreck, she may have already been suffering the ill effects of her head injury.

 

[jenstar]

IDK if this lady has been ruled out. https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/745/11/

 

[jenstar]

Also https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/793/0/

 

['Ailina]

Just took a look at this thread today. Re: Lamadrid...

Lamadrid's description pointed out she commonly wore baggy men's clothes. Our unidentified woman here was found with two pairs of men's pants on.

Just throwing that in there, too.

ETA: I see the clothing style was referenced earlier in the thread after all. My apologies for redundancy.

 

[reasypeasy]

I wish I could see our Doe's photo altered to how she might have looked some years before that photo when she was presumably cared for and well. The hair made clean and all brown, the flushing and acne removed, the bugging out eyes put to how they would have been while she was healthy, and possibly some of her jowls pared back just a little on the assumption they are partly due to starvation or peri-menopause.

 

[carbuff]

I was wondering if this lady had a stroke/brain injury or some facial paralysis. Her mouth really seems to be drooping down on one side.

Upthread, a sleuther with medical background said she looked like she could have some kind of thyroid disease. I guess that often causes bulging eyes like that.

I wish I could see our Doe's photo altered to how she might have looked some years before that photo when she was presumably cared for and well. The hair made clean and all brown, the flushing and acne removed, the bugging out eyes put to how they would have been while she was healthy, and possibly some of her jowls pared back just a little on the assumption they are partly due to starvation or peri-menopause.

I downloaded her photo and I'll see what I can do with my art stuff tomorrow. I can't do the fancy work Carl does, but it might give us an idea.

 

[reasypeasy]

Upthread, a sleuther with medical background said she looked like she could have some kind of thyroid disease. I guess that often causes bulging eyes like that.



I downloaded her photo and I'll see what I can do with my art stuff tomorrow. I can't do the fancy work Carl does, but it might give us an idea.

Thanks. I've really got no skill whatsoever with that sort of thing.

She must have looked quite quite different once.

 

[carbuff]

Thanks. I've really got no skill whatsoever with that sort of thing.

She must have looked quite quite different once.

I hadn't thought of it before, but of course you're right. The way she looks right now, her family might have glanced at the photo in passing and never even recognized her.

 

[sidneyia]

Sorry to be a bother, but would it be possible to request that someone else call in Kathryn Lamadrid as a possible match? I unfortunately have severe anxiety about using the phone and I can't find an email address to submit a tip, only a phone number. Thanks so much.

 

[Love143]

I was just in the Lori Ruff thread and this young lady https://www.facebook.com/pages/Helen-Marie-Green-is-missing/602570379832240 is being looked at as a possible match. I immediately thought of this Jane Doe when I saw her picture.

She has a thread here as well. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=233441&page=2

 

[carbuff]

Okay, this took me a while, but I went through the thread and pulled out all the names we've suggested that aren't on the ruleouts list, and I've tried to indicate the current status as much as possible. I've noted the submission status where I could find one.

They're listed in the order they were suggested in this thread.


Melody Glynnell skull located 2008: http://www.charleyproject.org/resolved/resolved37.html

Erica Franolich: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/franolich_erica.html

Tracy Melton identified in 2011: http://abcnews.go.com/US/california...ng-woman-remains-identified/story?id=15476554

Monica Appleton: we've suggested her several times and she's still not on the official list, though it was reported she was ruled out by Can You Identify Me? Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Pacifica - Female 593UFCA, 25-46, "No go, no eat, no drink, murder", Jun'06 Same post says Suzanne Agnes Berron was ruled out.

Laura Ann Breding: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/breding_laura.html

Jeanine Sanchez Harms: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/harms_jeanine.html

Elizabeth Ann Maggard:http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1666dfky.html *I think we ought to follow up more on this one since Maggard is from Kentucky and the UID might have been from there.

Jessie Foster: http://jessiefoster.blogspot.com/

Beverly Harrington: http://www.nampn.org/cases/harrington_beverly_i.html

Jennifer Casper-Ross has been suggested several times: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/casper-ross_jennifer.html

Tina Wilson: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wilson_tina.html

Kimberly Lilly: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lilly_kimberly.html

Patsy Baker: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/baker_patsy.html

Peggy Humber: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/humber_peggy.html

Mary Comiskey, found in 2013: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23689449/remains-mary-comiskey- missing-since-2005-found

Diane Langlume: apparently found, since her Charley page has disappeared

Susan GOURLEY: http://www.missing-u.ca/MPDetail.aspx?PersonID=1208

Bonnie Rae Kelly: http://www.missingin.org/reg3005/bonnie_rae_kelly.htm
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/kelly_bonnie.html

Star Palumbo: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/palumbo_star.html

Diane Schulte: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2065/61

Rebekah Miller: http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=5771208800144

Kathryn Lamadrid looks very close but I don't think she's been submitted yet:http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lamadrid_kathryn.html

Sheryl Rucci: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/745/11/

Molly Dattilo: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/793/0/

 

[wannabeasupersleuth]

Bumping this up...
95 on the rule-out list. Jennifer Casper-Ross and Kathryn LaMadrid are not on the list. Both have DNA and dentals available.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10647

 

[ALadInsane]

I suggest Libby Ann Dibenedetto:
http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3315dffl.html

 

[cvaldez1975]

i think sanchez-harms would be a long shot. nasmeh got off but her brother wayne killed him at the peet's down the street from my old apt. then killed himself. i remember that day. very sad

Okay, this took me a while, but I went through the thread and pulled out all the names we've suggested that aren't on the ruleouts list, and I've tried to indicate the current status as much as possible. I've noted the submission status where I could find one.

They're listed in the order they were suggested in this thread.


Melody Glynnell skull located 2008: http://www.charleyproject.org/resolved/resolved37.html

Erica Franolich: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/f/franolich_erica.html

Tracy Melton identified in 2011: http://abcnews.go.com/US/california...ng-woman-remains-identified/story?id=15476554

Monica Appleton: we've suggested her several times and she's still not on the official list, though it was reported she was ruled out by Can You Identify Me? Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - CA CA - Pacifica - Female 593UFCA, 25-46, "No go, no eat, no drink, murder", Jun'06 Same post says Suzanne Agnes Berron was ruled out.

Laura Ann Breding: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/breding_laura.html

Jeanine Sanchez Harms: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/harms_jeanine.html

Elizabeth Ann Maggard:http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1666dfky.html *I think we ought to follow up more on this one since Maggard is from Kentucky and the UID might have been from there.

Jessie Foster: http://jessiefoster.blogspot.com/

Beverly Harrington: http://www.nampn.org/cases/harrington_beverly_i.html

Jennifer Casper-Ross has been suggested several times: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/c/casper-ross_jennifer.html

Tina Wilson: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/w/wilson_tina.html

Kimberly Lilly: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lilly_kimberly.html

Patsy Baker: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/baker_patsy.html

Peggy Humber: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/humber_peggy.html

Mary Comiskey, found in 2013: http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23689449/remains-mary-comiskey- missing-since-2005-found

Diane Langlume: apparently found, since her Charley page has disappeared

Susan GOURLEY: http://www.missing-u.ca/MPDetail.aspx?PersonID=1208

Bonnie Rae Kelly: http://www.missingin.org/reg3005/bonnie_rae_kelly.htm
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/k/kelly_bonnie.html

Star Palumbo: http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/p/palumbo_star.html

Diane Schulte: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/2065/61

Rebekah Miller: http://dojapp.doj.ca.gov/missing/detail.asp?FCN=5771208800144

Kathryn Lamadrid looks very close but I don't think she's been submitted yet:http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/l/lamadrid_kathryn.html

Sheryl Rucci: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/745/11/

Molly Dattilo: https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/793/0/

 

[jlo27916]

Bumping this up...
95 on the rule-out list. Jennifer Casper-Ross and Kathryn LaMadrid are not on the list. Both have DNA and dentals available.

https://identifyus.org/en/cases/10647

I am pretty convinced it's Jennifer Casper-Ross... If you look at all the info. It's almost spot on. I wonder why this hasn't been checked? I also think it completely looks like her- not just compared to the others that have been suggested, but because it legit looks like her. Has she been submitted?