Found Alive CA - Sherri Papini, 34, Redding, 2 November 2016 - #17

[JeannaT]

"He pointed to the fact that web developers translated the SherriPapini.com website and the ransom letter into Spanish."

I did not know this. Why would they think they had to translate it into Spanish? Did they translate it into other languages such as Vietnamese or Ukrainian?

California is a little over 40% Hispanic/Latino. You may not live in a place that has a large percentage of residence non-English speaking, but in Central Texas (with fewer than 40% hispanic) everything is translated. Letters home from the school are english on one side, spanish on the other. Food in Walmart is translated - you could learn the language just by looking at your food labels. On a chicken package, muslos are thighs, BTW. Vote Aqui. No me olvides on a picture of a reusable shopping bag. Don't even try to get through the lumber section of Home Depot without a basic knowledge of spanish.

What is your best guess as to why it was translated into Spanish in the state of California, and not, say, Ukranian?

 

[Gardener1850]

It's not just the physical abuse. What about the psychological trauma? Doesn't an ordeal like this require a considerable amount of observation and treatment, once the victim is rescued? She was held for 22 days, beaten, tortured, branded, who knows what else. I'm really having a hard time understanding why she was sent home so soon. Wouldn't that at least warrant a few hours with a qualified psychologist, ideally one trained for just these types of situations?

A day or two after she had been released there was a quote by a family member that she had a doctor's appointment. I don't have a link handy, sorry, but I remember reading it and it made sense to me. The hospital most likely set up follow-up appointments for her at any specialists she needed for anything that needed to be checked later. A broken nose could need additional consultation if she wanted to make sure it healed properly and if she wanted/needed surgery to correct it, but it would not need to be monitored in a hospital situation. All her injuries were not life threatening. As for the psychological trama, even though she went through a very traumatic experience she was going home with people who love her and was not a danger to herself or others. Going with her loved ones she had been deprived of for 22 days was probably better for her psychologically than staying in the hospital away from them. Need for in-depth counseling due to trauma is not the same as being a psychiatric patient that needs to be admitted. Though the two may present with some of the same symptoms like PTSD, they are two different situations. Hospitals don't admit patients for psychological trauma unless they are a danger to themselves or others or they go to a private clinic on their own for counseling. She very well may be doing counseling privately and I would hope they would not reveal that for the sake of her privacy. JMO.

 

[robthomaseyes]

We've had nurses come on here, and tell us that it is typical to send them home with her kind of symptoms. It does not require admission.

Scary. Anyone who loses that much weight and is, in her husband's words, "emaciated", is in danger of all kinds of problems - one of which is organ damage or failure. Not to mention the burns, which are always a risk for infection...and an emaciated person isn't going to be able to heal or fight off infection as easily. It's unconscionable that a hospital would send an emaciated woman with burns home after a few hours, rather than keeping her at least overnight for observation and treatment of the burns - and for rehydration and re-introduction of solid foods.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Kidnapping a woman like this would certainly prove themselves to the gang, just as well as the other crimes you mention would. Maybe the reason it went on for so long is because they had the opportunity to let it go on so long. I.E. nothing else to do for three weeks.

As for her not being killed, people commit different crimes. These suspects were clearly interested in kidnapping and abusing her, not in killing her. Or they planned to kill her, but changed their minds. But I don't think the evidence supports that.

Sorry my friend.

These women were older than some young gang girls.

So a gang initiation just doesn't fit.

 

[JeannaT]

At the beginning of this case, it was reported that there were 3 to 8 strands of hair.
It was Keith who said this.
Unless we were being misled from the beginning, it doesn't sound like a "hank"


Keith confirms that a few strands of hair were found — maybe between three and eight strands — but says “it wasn’t a normal thing.”

http://people.com/crime/missing-sherri-papini-update-husband-keith-interview/

The original message about hair was from her missing flyer, and the word was "chunks". As I recall, the sheriff then said a few strands, nothing that raised alarm. This is the guy who said her injuries were similar to a sprained ankle, so you know, grain of salt.

 

[ninij9]

Fair enough, all I can do is try to lead people to water when I have the chance. Whether you drink it is up to you.

Hmm. Could you mean the hair was left Purposefully? But by SP or by her Abductors. Drinking...thinking...still thirsty..😊

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[Gardener1850]

http://people.com/crime/sherri-papini-missing-2016-timeline-abduction-return/

IMO he doesn't sound "absolute" about anything with regard to this case.

The Sheriff seems to like to play poker :moo:

 

[Tricia]

BTW, Jennifer Gamble has responded publicly to the newest article about CG. It's in a comment on the article, and she's also posted the same as a public message on her Facebook page.

Normally we do not allow linking to Facebook cases unless it is a perpetrator's. Once in a while,we make an exception.

Since Jennifer Gamble posted this very long answer to the article at Redding.com we are going to allow the link to Jennifer's public Facebook page to discuss her response to the article ONLY.

Please do not start quoting what Jennifer claims on her FB as fact. You can discuss but do not assume as fact.

Please be respectful of Jennifer. No insults or cutesy little ways of trying to get around the fact you are being insulting. Time outs for posters who don't follow this rule.

Thank you,

Tricia

 

[vlpate]

My understanding, from KP's description, is that he arrived home, noticed it was quiet and no one was around. KP opened the FindMe app on his cellphone to locate the geographical location of his wife's phone. The app led KP to the mailbox area and after looking around a bit, he managed to discover it.

So the app must not require cellular tower coverage or wifi in order to function or KP would have just called SPs phone from their home instead of opening the app.

The iPhone is critical evidence. KP had to know this so he snapped off a few photos of it placed in the grass. Two of those images taken of her phone near the mailboxes are shown in the ABC interview. *See Skib's post above.

Before that happens though, when KP arrives at the family's empty home, why not give his wife's iPhone a call from the landline inside the home? Instead, he immediately goes to the FindMe app, or 1 similar. Anyway, it is a tiny detail that I've pondered after learning their home had a landline phone system.

The ap does require wifi or data. I am not following on why he would use the landline...but interested.

 

[creepcrusher]

If a pimp or organization brands a sex slave.

Then this means that LE should know which pimp or organization has done this. Jmo.

Because SP wouldn't be the only female with that brand. Jmo

So obviously; I doubt the branding was sex trafficking related; While not knowing which pimp or syndicate was involved. Jmo

So if this was truly a sex trafficking brand. Then hopefully LE would know more due to the same brands from other victims of the pimp or syndicate. Jmo

Even though I believe sex trafficking could be a factor, I don't think the branding was a pimps name or symbol- as the sheriff stated. I think the branding was more likely to humiliate and shame her. I have a feeling it was a filthy word, something to wear her down. JMO- that's what I gathered by "a message."

 

[Suglo]

California is a little over 40% Hispanic/Latino. You may not live in a place that has a large percentage of residence non-English speaking, but in Central Texas (with fewer than 40% hispanic) everything is translated. Letters home from the school are english on one side, spanish on the other. Food in Walmart is translated - you could learn the language just by looking at your food labels. On a chicken package, muslos are thighs, BTW. Vote Aqui. No me olvides on a picture of a reusable shopping bag. Don't even try to get through the lumber section of Home Depot without a basic knowledge of spanish.

What is your best guess as to why it was translated into Spanish in the state of California, and not, say, Ukranian?

Yes I know. I live in Northern California, speak Spanish fluently as I was born and lived in Spain many years. The reason I mentioned it was because the target audience for the website and letter were criminals who speak other languages also. It's a moot point if web developers do this always as it was suggested a bit earlier.

 

[Dushi]

The original message about hair was from her missing flyer, and the word was "chunks". As I recall, the sheriff then said a few strands, nothing that raised alarm. This is the guy who said her injuries were similar to a sprained ankle, so you know, grain of salt.

I agree with your take on this.
this discussion started because it was questioned whether Sherri left hair as a message to her husband.
I really doubt that Sherri cut off or pulled out a chunk of hair to leave a message to her husband.


However, I can imagine an abductor doing such a thing

JMO

 

[Hope4More]

Scary. Anyone who loses that much weight and is, in her husband's words, "emaciated", is in danger of all kinds of problems - one of which is organ damage or failure. Not to mention the burns, which are always a risk for infection...and an emaciated person isn't going to be able to heal or fight off infection as easiily. It's unconscionable that a hospital would send an emaciated woman with burns home after a few hours, rather than at the very least having her stay overnight for observation and treatment of those burns, rehydration, and re-introduction of solid foods.

Folks aren't kept very long in hospitals anymore for anything. My stepdad was out of the hospital the day after having open heart surgery. My dad had terminal brain cancer, had brain surgery to remove the malignant tumor deep in his brain, and was released 3 days later. A friend just had a hysterectomy and was out the same day. Etc. Etc.

Just isn't unusual, even before one considers the possibility Sherri actively chose to leave rather than have strangers coming in and out of her room and constantly touching her for one necessary reason or another.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Imo. This is why we are mad.

Because not knowing the persons nor motive, told us that LE doesn't want us to know a motive. Jmo

And this may be why we consider this of some hoax or or something. Jmo

Because the police still have never mentioned a motive of why this supposed beauty was abducted.

So they left us to spin wheels without the why. Jmo

So imo. It's obvious that LE has a different theory or motive that doesn't concern others.

<modsnip> Jmo

 

[DeDee]

In case anyone wondered:

https://whois.icann.org/en/lookup?name=SHERRIPAPINI.COM

Important Dates
Updated Date: 2016-11-07
Created Date: 2016-11-07
Registration Expiration Date: 2017-11-07

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

I am an aggressive CG skeptic, but I think Lake16 answered this one right: Lots of stuff in California gets translated into Spanish, for obvious reasons.

and Chinese, and Vietnamese, Japanese, Farsi, and Korean especially. For starters.

 

[Cannonball3804]

That still doesn't make any sense to me. If it's a possible medical emergency, he would simply look around for a few meters in each direction. That would take all of 1 minute to rule out. You're not going to drop the phone and walk another 50 meters while having a heart attack.

Maybe it's a European thing (I'm in Europe). But here, if your phone is on the side of the road and you haven't been drinking, something bad has happened. Including a clump of hair, or attaching any other body part to your fallen phone, is not necessary.

That's the second time you've used a phrase like "something bad has happened." I would agree that the presence of a phone on the side of the road conveys that general message. But what I'm saying is that Sherri may have been attempting to send a more specific message than "something's wrong."

Remember this is the woman who when she couldn't flag anybody down, tried to make herself presentable by hiding the chain. He said in his TV interview that he recognized this as SP-like behavior.

Similarly, he would look at that neatly arranged phone, earbuds and hair strands and see it as his wife doing a very orderly and identifiable thing. She could have just plopped everything down but instead, she did something her husband who knows her better than anybody would identify.

The phone and earbuds are just objects. The hair is HER. It's probably one thing he really loves about her, the signature long blonde hair. That allows him to take it personally.

Otherwise, he could just think she left of her own accord and didn't want to be tracked. She didn't want him to feel like she left HIM. She left because she had to, but she wanted him to find her. And all of that together gave him the impetus to move heaven and earth in the search for her.


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[ninij9]

Imo.

They let SP go.

Why?

Especially if these were traffickers that kill women at any given time?

So imo. Leaving her alive would catch the syndicate that runs the business.

So why would a big sex ring allow her to tell the tale after 22 days held captive?

Imo.
They wouldn't.


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[creepcrusher]

She was treated for "non life threatening injuries" and released. There is absolutely nothing implied or stated anywhere to the contrary.

And there is nothing that has implied she hasn't gotten treatment elsewhere. I didn't say she had life threatening injuries. She was released from that particular hospital where the media, and everybody else knew she had been held.

Maybe she needed privacy. Maybe she wanted at home care. It's not our business. And it's not right to state as fact that she hasn't gotten care elsewhere, because we don't know what kind of care she has gotten, physically or psychologically.

 

[DeDee]

Might you even purposely leave hair tangled in your earbuds as a message to your husband?

Respectfully, Lake, and I thank you, personally, for your efforts to join with us so that we may find understanding, however, if I were being kidnapped at gunpoint, the last thing I might consider doing would be to pull out my hair and wrap it with my phone so that my husband would see my signature hair and know something dreadful may have occurred.

Again, the time you spend here is appreciated. Thank you for respecting and protecting Sherri's privacy.