Deceased/Not Found CA - Sierra LaMar, 15, Morgan Hill, 16 March 2012 #14 *A. Garcia-Torres guilty*

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Why would you DUMP a bookbag? It's not a body - there are a dozen easy ways to get rid of it forever. You could burn it in a fireplace. You could put it in a normal plastic garbage bag and have it picked up with the rest of the trash - it would be gone forever. Tossing a phone (ripping it out of someone's hand and throwing it) is plausible. But evidence? It had to be deliberate.

Unless SL was harmed AT the shed and they forgot the bag. But dogs would have found a trace already.

I agree. Why was it left there?!

Let's say her bag was discovered tossed and disposed of in the shed. That would make more sense for an abduction scenario. But it was neatly laid outside against shed ready to be discovered. The question is, why would someone want this bag found so quickly?
It is a statement of sorts, an intended message. But who would send this message?
Like in some crimes, bodies may be displayed or arranged in what the perp finds respectful to the victim if there's some sort of guilt involved. Maybe this was it's equivalent. Neatly laid bag with neatly laid clothes ready to be found.
Or
A message as in "here are her things, i have her", due to the appearance of wanting the bag to be discovered quickly, therefore it brings the discussion to msm for a specific reason or purpose.
It kind of lays a profile of the type of person who would do this.
 
For some reason I've had the feeling that when all is said & done, the bag placement thing may very well turn out to have been done for some reason so stupid & trivial we wouldn't guess it in a million years. Every case seems to have some strange, out of place detail(s) that seem so significant that we get hung up on them, and then they turn out to be nothing more than artifacts of the chaos of human events. The bag could be one of those.

All JMO
 
It's true. My 15 year-old cousin says the craziest and meanest things about my aunt and uncle on her Twitter. She is very dramatic and "emotional" and sometimes I am shocked by the things she says and the foul language she uses. That being said, I think much of what Sierra has tweeted is to be expected for a girl her age in this day and age, but I have to admit I was pretty appalled with some of the things she tweeted. Frequent use of the "n" word, all the talk about drugs, the music she listened to, etc. Maybe it's a regional thing, but she does seem to be more into the whole "gangsta" kind of lifestyle which I'm not sure we can say all teenage girls are into.

I agree it may be a regional thing. Some teens listen to Tyler the Creator and gangsta rap here (coastal new England), but I hear more electro/screamo, i.e., Blood on the Dance Floor (BOTDF), etc. But guess what? The lyrical content isn't much different. The draw, IMO, is that they're not "mainstream."

What I don't like about such lyrics is that they seem to glorify violent sex. IMO, we need to talk to our kids (male and female) about that. I doubt that's behind Sierra's disappearance, but I suppose you never know.

I definitely monitor what my daughter posts on FB and tumblr. She likes to post cool "artistic" stuff, most of which I'm ok with. While I would have made her take stuff like Sierra posted down, kids can create accounts under pseudonyms, and then you lose track of them. It's a scary world out there.
 
another question - anybody got an answer?
Sierra had texted or called a school friend supposedly - the morning she went missing. The friend was supposed to bring something (I believe they said homework maybe) - possibly the friend left Sierra's clothes there for her or maybe Sierra left her clothes there for a friend to pick up and borrow?
 
I agree. Why was it left there?!

Let's say her bag was discovered tossed and disposed of in the shed. That would make more sense for an abduction scenario. But it was neatly laid outside against shed ready to be discovered. The question is, why would someone want this bag found so quickly?
It is a statement of sorts, an intended message. But who would send this message?
Like in some crimes, bodies may be displayed or arranged in what the perp finds respectful to the victim if there's some sort of guilt involved. Maybe this was it's equivalent. Neatly laid bag with neatly laid clothes ready to be found.
Or
A message as in "here are her things, i have her", due to the appearance of wanting the bag to be discovered quickly, therefore it brings the discussion to msm for a specific reason or purpose.
It kind of lays a profile of the type of person who would do this.

Also, don't forget the family of Siamese cats (looked like a mama cat and her kittens) that seemed to be abandoned there... I mentioned how I thought they might symbolically be part of a message ...

ETA: actually there are two messages I see - one is where Sierra is sending a message whereby the Juicy bag represents Sierra feeling as misplaced as a kitten after being moved from where she lived with her father and had her friends and cheerleading...
the other message is more sinister, more deviant, left by the perp whereby the kitten (well, don't need to go further)...
 
IMO, I do not know whether or not Sierra is in CA, or whether she is in the sex trade. HOWEVER, there is a lot less "street prostitution" and a lot MORE "escort services" (which post ads on CraigsList, and in the back of the City Paper). I think it would be much easier to prostitute young girls online than on the street.
 
IMO, I do not know whether or not Sierra is in CA, or whether she is in the sex trade. HOWEVER, there is a lot less "street prostitution" and a lot MORE "escort services" (which post ads on CraigsList, and in the back of the City Paper). I think it would be much easier to prostitute young girls online than on the street.

If you want to make your eyes bleed check out backpage.
 
It's true. My 15 year-old cousin says the craziest and meanest things about my aunt and uncle on her Twitter. She is very dramatic and "emotional" and sometimes I am shocked by the things she says and the foul language she uses. That being said, I think much of what Sierra has tweeted is to be expected for a girl her age in this day and age, but I have to admit I was pretty appalled with some of the things she tweeted. Frequent use of the "n" word, all the talk about drugs, the music she listened to, etc. Maybe it's a regional thing, but she does seem to be more into the whole "gangsta" kind of lifestyle which I'm not sure we can say all teenage girls are into.


A few years ago I was dating a guy with a teenaged daughter the same age as mine. They did not get along, as mine was "goth" and his was a popular cheerleader. When my daughter spent a weekend with her dad, I would sometimes hang out with his daughter. I liked her a lot, and she opened up to me about things her dad "would have freaked out about." I think she underestimated him, as she left drug parapernalia and cigarette butts in her room, went to "parties" several nights a week, always leaving the house in sweats. He HAD to know, and I was going through some of the same with MY daughter, but when I'd relate what mine had done, he would say he was lucky his did not do that. It was actually a factor in our relationship ending.

I was concerned by some of the risks she took, and frequently told her Dad she was someplace she was not. She went on a weekend ski trip with a group of friends and her dad had no idea. He did not think she "dated" but she told me about guys she was "talking to" which I believe is a prelude to dating in today's vernacular.

I tried to be her friend, and give her advice (i.e. ata MINIMUM, make sure to have your health insurance card with you if you go skiing without telling your dad, and let ME know where you will REALLY be in case something happens. I really liked her, and still do. I just did not want to see her make mistakes, and when she started getting tattoes in her senior year (after quiting acrobatics and cheer) I worried. It was very clear from her Facebook page that she wore things at the parties that were VERY suggestive, and numerous photos showed her drinking beer or participating in drinking games.

While I do NOT think he ever looked at her Facebook, I asked her to "clean it up" a bit. I kept thinking about girls her age who "vanish" (she was starting college in a few months) and I told her that she owed it to her dad to get rid of anything that might upset or embarass him, or cause LE to take any crimes against her less seriously. I told her that the 483 "friends" she had on Facebook would sell those photos to media in a heartbeat if there was enough incentive to do so, and her father's heart would be broken twice.

After he and I stopped dating, she and I kept in touch. She has a lot of HUGE tattoos and facial piercings, but seems to be doing well now. She lives with a BF she has been with for quite some time, is now 21 and can drink legally, and has a super job. But jsut before this, she was "in a relationship" (per Facebook) with some hoodlum DJ/rapper guy. If she put anything mushy on his wall, he deleted it. He never posted ANYTHING to suggest he was in a relationship, ahd lots of girls posted things on his page that made him sound like a player. I finally got M**** to ask him why he would not accept her "relationship status request" on Facebook, or at least change his status from SINGLE to something indicating she existed.

He got arrested and she was dumb enough to raise his bond. I was very worried about what would happen to her during that relationship. The guy had facial tattoos (someone referred to these as "everlasting jobstoppers" *LOL*) and talked "ghetto". She actually did this during the relationship with him, and it was embarassing to see this smart girl using lousy grammar and poor spelling to be "cool".

I knew she WAS "getting into the gangsta life" and by being there when she needed to talk and keeping what she said confidential, I was able to make her realize she could do better. And she did. She now posts status updates that are spelled and punctuated properly and most of them are about her BF or her interest in rescue animals and stopping animal cruelty.

Sorry if O/T
 
For some reason I've had the feeling that when all is said & done, the bag placement thing may very well turn out to have been done for some reason so stupid & trivial we wouldn't guess it in a million years. Every case seems to have some strange, out of place detail(s) that seem so significant that we get hung up on them, and then they turn out to be nothing more than artifacts of the chaos of human events. The bag could be one of those.

All JMO

I keep thinking the same thing. For instance, as many have theorised, it could be that someone totally unrelated to the abduction found the bag and placed it by the shed for any one of a number of reasons.
 
Seems likes it time for a new thread? Perhaps a bit more of my blathering will fill out this thread... Don't see much mentioned for weekend searching when I Google news... Gotta wonder how all the excitement over the red Jetta plays a part...
Would be interesting to know what's taking place with the Jetta..
Seems some of the cases I follow are going nowhere and got to believe the easy days of perps being caught off-guard by advances in DNA are over, and thanks to all the CSI type shows on the air, perps are more savvy then they've ever been.
 
Most of these teens were not kidnapped from their driveways. These teens are caught in the death trap known as heroin addiction. They entered prostitution and are unable to leave because they need money to buy their fix. They refuse to undergo the severe withdrawal symptoms. When the government pays for their methadone (so they can quit heroin), over half of these teens will continue to take heroin with their government purchased methadone. :(

Pensfan
verified psychiatric mental health nurse

I know Sierra talked a lot about marijuana use and drinking on her social media. She may have been easy to talk into trying a new drug, particularly if it was presented to her in a "smokeable" format. She might not have thought it was possible to get addicted to opiates if they were only smoked, until she started feeling the withdrawal. At that point, an ultimatum (if you want it, you need to do something for me) could be the gateway to prostitution. I realize that we assume most teen prostitutes are street kids, runaways or throwaways who were worse off at home, but if you were going to employ a prostitute, I'd bet you'd be more interested in a clean-looking, pretty teen from the suburbs, and would pay a little more for the "privilege."

I have had another thought in the back of my mind for a while, and hope it is not seen as disparaging the victim... but I am looking at this from several angles. She had not (per Marlene) had a love interest in a month or so. Suppose she had discovered she was pregnant and had arranged for someone to take her to a clinic for an abortion. That person could have known she had a decent amount of cash (or a money order) with her, and she might even have chosen someone who she knew online but not IRL so she would not have to risk anyone finding out.

She may have planned to call her mom to tell her she was sick and staying home to get out of school for the day without raising suspicion (could even have used "cramps" as an excuse, as she would certainly experience those after an abortion).

TOTAL SPECULATION
MOO
 
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I definitely monitor what my daughter posts on FB and tumblr. She likes to post cool "artistic" stuff, most of which I'm ok with. While I would have made her take stuff like Sierra posted down, kids can create accounts under pseudonyms, and then you lose track of them. It's a scary world out there.

I understand about the pseudonyms, but Sierra's Tumblir page was public.
 
A few years ago I was dating a guy with a teenaged daughter the same age as mine. They did not get along, as mine was "goth" and his was a popular cheerleader. When my daughter spent a weekend with her dad, I would sometimes hang out with his daughter. I liked her a lot, and she opened up to me about things her dad "would have freaked out about." I think she underestimated him, as she left drug parapernalia and cigarette butts in her room, went to "parties" several nights a week, always leaving the house in sweats. He HAD to know, and I was going through some of the same with MY daughter, but when I'd relate what mine had done, he would say he was lucky his did not do that. It was actually a factor in our relationship ending.

I was concerned by some of the risks she took, and frequently told her Dad she was someplace she was not. She went on a weekend ski trip with a group of friends and her dad had no idea. He did not think she "dated" but she told me about guys she was "talking to" which I believe is a prelude to dating in today's vernacular.

I tried to be her friend, and give her advice (i.e. ata MINIMUM, make sure to have your health insurance card with you if you go skiing without telling your dad, and let ME know where you will REALLY be in case something happens. I really liked her, and still do. I just did not want to see her make mistakes, and when she started getting tattoes in her senior year (after quiting acrobatics and cheer) I worried. It was very clear from her Facebook page that she wore things at the parties that were VERY suggestive, and numerous photos showed her drinking beer or participating in drinking games.

While I do NOT think he ever looked at her Facebook, I asked her to "clean it up" a bit. I kept thinking about girls her age who "vanish" (she was starting college in a few months) and I told her that she owed it to her dad to get rid of anything that might upset or embarass him, or cause LE to take any crimes against her less seriously. I told her that the 483 "friends" she had on Facebook would sell those photos to media in a heartbeat if there was enough incentive to do so, and her father's heart would be broken twice.

After he and I stopped dating, she and I kept in touch. She has a lot of HUGE tattoos and facial piercings, but seems to be doing well now. She lives with a BF she has been with for quite some time, is now 21 and can drink legally, and has a super job. But jsut before this, she was "in a relationship" (per Facebook) with some hoodlum DJ/rapper guy. If she put anything mushy on his wall, he deleted it. He never posted ANYTHING to suggest he was in a relationship, ahd lots of girls posted things on his page that made him sound like a player. I finally got M**** to ask him why he would not accept her "relationship status request" on Facebook, or at least change his status from SINGLE to something indicating she existed.

He got arrested and she was dumb enough to raise his bond. I was very worried about what would happen to her during that relationship. The guy had facial tattoos (someone referred to these as "everlasting jobstoppers" *LOL*) and talked "ghetto". She actually did this during the relationship with him, and it was embarassing to see this smart girl using lousy grammar and poor spelling to be "cool".

I knew she WAS "getting into the gangsta life" and by being there when she needed to talk and keeping what she said confidential, I was able to make her realize she could do better. And she did. She now posts status updates that are spelled and punctuated properly and most of them are about her BF or her interest in rescue animals and stopping animal cruelty.

Sorry if O/T


Not off topic at all. This just goes to show how easily influenced teens can be by their peers. I think this is especially true for girls.

I still am leaning towards this being a random abduction, but until we get more info, I also think about the possibility that Sierra may have gotten involved with the wrong crowd. It makes me think about the Lauren Spierer case. The night she disappeared, she was hanging out with a guy that even her closest friends claim they never even heard of. Sierra may have been involved with things/people her family and possibly her friends weren't aware of.
 
Snipped for brevity to point of my comment:

She may have planned to call her mom to tell her she was sick and staying home to get out of school for the day without raising suspicion (could even have used "cramps" as an excuse, as she would certainly experience those after an abortion).
TOTAL SPECULATION
MOO

Don't think pregnancy has been mentioned yet in Sierra's case. It seems to always come up in missing person's cases, so it should be considered here as well IMO. If the clothing in the Juicy bag were a change of clothing that might support this...
 
That darn bag with books placed together is driving me mad!!

OK...IMO, they were placed there...only because of the info released, as I understand it.
They were placed in that way because someone "cared" about them, and thought they'd be back to pick them up at a later time.
IMO, this didn't "start out", in Sierra's mind, as something that was going to lead to her NOT being able to get her stuff from where it was.
Maybe the person told Sierra that where they were going, the books, etc, wouldn't be "cool", who knows, sometimes I don't "reason" things out in my mind....like, why not the trunk??? Again, minds don't always go there, and where they were found would be as good a place as any to put them....a place someone who "knew the area" would pick....as LE said it's someone "familiar" with the area.

Also, I STILL believe A LOT of info is in her tweets!!! I'm just concentrating on the week when she went missing.
Her Tweet on Mar 13th, about closing the CAR DOOR and the "awkward" comment she made about the whole experience...IMO, the video's, LE were looking at, had that red/black car in the neighborhood not ONLY on the day she went missing, but on the 13th as well, who knows if other times...just IMO.

The one Tweet that gets me, too, is the one from Mar 15th. I KNOW it seems just an innocent remark, but, IMO, "someone" within a day or 2 (maybe the "awkward" door thing on Mar 13th).
The person may have given her the ride on the 13th, and just came out and told her they knew/were friends with someone from Fremont to make her feel a little more comfortable???
You just don't come out with a comment like that out of the blue, IMO...even SHE thought it was weird about the friends thing.

So, on Mar 14th, Sierra and "KPEEEEEZY" are "out to the OF store in LA".
When I checked online, it said LA is like 5 hours from Morgan Hill?? I'm sure someone in the area will know better.
Two things from SL's Twitter...she posted once (way back in Jan, though) that she'd "never skipped a full day of school"...AND, she wasn't going to Fremont that weekend....as per Mar 14th Tweet.
Maybe a good day to "ditch school" and off to LA??

IMO...there's so much info in her Twitter acc't...especially some of the ones seeming to be fights with some un-named people and one in particular on Feb 15th about a "psycho" and "stalker".

I'm gonna stick with, perhaps, an infatuated person, maybe a "follower" on her account, maybe someone just reading, or maybe someone she has had tweet "fights" with.
I've even thought of a "safe" person/pseudo friend who she wouldn't have a problem getting in their car and then they'd bring her to someone else.
I can't help but think it might be a peer, or someone in their late teens/early 20's.

Then, again, there's that saying..."revenge is a dish best served cold"....but, I know her dad is suffering enough, I don't want to start getting into that topic, but yet ANOTHER theory in my mind.

All, just IMO, as always.
 
For some reason I've had the feeling that when all is said & done, the bag placement thing may very well turn out to have been done for some reason so stupid & trivial we wouldn't guess it in a million years. Every case seems to have some strange, out of place detail(s) that seem so significant that we get hung up on them, and then they turn out to be nothing more than artifacts of the chaos of human events. The bag could be one of those.

All JMO

Suppose the reason the perp was in the area was not because of HIS work schedule at all. We have had people suggest he was on his way to work and would therefore have been late that day. Yesterday someone speculated that he might work nights and have seen her en route home, when he'd have had 15-16 hours (at least) before he had to be back at work, so he would NOT be among people who have been reported to LE for being late. If it was the start of his "weekend" he'd have had several days.

Here's an alternative I have not heard mentioned...

Perhaps he drives someone somewhere on weekdays (or even just Fridays). I have a friend whose kids walk to school, except for the days one of them has to carry his cello. Those days he gets a car ride. Perhaps he has a spouse who he drops off at work so he can use the car during the day? In a case like this, he'd have been able to abduct Sierra and spend several hours with her, either (sorry in advance) molesting and killing her or passingher off to someone else, once he pitched out her phone.

He may not have realized the bag was still in the car (if the bag's dark back was facing up on a dark rear carpet of the car, camouflaging it somewhat) and stopped to urinate, and be sure he'd gotten everything out of the car before he went to pick up the person who was expecting him and spotted the bag. He could have either tossed or placed it by the shed, and could even (possibly) have urinated on it as a sign of disrespect. Sierra may even have put the bag there (back seat floor) herself once she realized she was in trouble so someone would find it and ask questions.
 
if she hopped on the back of a cycle she would have had to of left her purse and bag behind...
 
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