Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 Jun 2014 - #26

[meterclicks]

Out of curiosity, anyone think Garland will testify? Do you think the defense will call any witnesses? If so, who do you think?

 

[MistyWaters]

In his opening remarks, Justice David Gates told the jurors that counselling was available for them during or/and after the trial.

http://www.kenoradailyminerandnews....e-to-take-stand-on-third-day-of-garland-trial

Recently in another trial, a juror comitted suicide.
http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...-more-caution-in-trials-with-graphic-evidence

 

[JadeSLeuth]

What are Lutz and Ross saying to DG right now.

 

[naz]

The defense may called back his parents about the morning shower, but I kind of doubt it. LE did a great job following the truck..

His mental fitness ?

 

[olivebpa1]

What are Lutz and Ross saying to DG right now.

Well if he wants to testify I imagine they are strongly suggesting he doesn't!

 

[Halldor]

WHEW! I could barely keep up. All Reporters are in and they are all tweeting everything!
Now to go back and see what else was going on while that was my focus....

Thanks! You did a great job

 

[dogmatica]

Awesome work Jade, thank you.

 

[Bravo]

Oh man I have to leave about the time they start back up! Grrrrrrrrrr

 

[Slebby]

Ok, the big question now, if they present a defence, what will it be?

The only thing I think the defence can do now is cast some doubt on the degree of murder in the case of NO.

Returning to the apparently contentious issue of whether the victims died at the house or at the farm, IN MY OPINION, the defence may prefer for an outcome where their client is found guilty of 3 counts of
Murder in the first degree or 2 first degree, one second degree, paint a picture of the victims dying at the home (horrible enough) and disposed of at the farm VERSUS 3 counts of first degree, with the theory in place that he held them captive and tortured them before their death.

Why should it matter? To a defence lawyer, imo, they will be grasping at the tiniest straw they can to represent the interests of their client. Sometime down the road, it might make a difference in sentencing, or parole eligibility (I know, fat chance) or even where he serves time. Or some other factor I haven't considered. I am not a lawyer.

All this is speculation imho.


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[MistyWaters]

Out of curiosity, anyone think Garland will testify? Do you think the defense will call any witnesses? If so, who do you think?

No I cant think of even one possible defence strategy that might create reasonable doubt. And usually I'm on the side of the defendant, innocent until proven guilty and all that.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Out of curiosity, anyone think Garland will testify? Do you think the defense will call any witnesses? If so, who do you think?

I bet that will be decided in the next 15 minutes.

 

[dyannaON]

I personally think we are done. Just so black and white. Jmo


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[Spellbound]

Ok, the big question now, if they present a defence, what will it be?

The only thing I think the defence can do now is cast some doubt on the degree of murder in the case of NO.

Returning to the apparently contentious issue of whether the victims died at the house or at the farm, IN MY OPINION, the defence may prefer for an outcome where their client is found guilty of 3 counts of
Murder in the first degree or 2 first degree, one second degree, paint a picture of the victims dying at the home (horrible enough) and disposed of at the farm VERSUS 3 counts of first degree, with the theory in place that he held them captive and tortured them before their death.

Why should it matter? To a defence lawyer, imo, they will be grasping at the tiniest straw they can to represent the interests of their client. Sometime down the road, it might make a difference in sentencing, or parole eligibility (I know, fat chance) or even where he serves time. Or some other factor I haven't considered. I am not a lawyer.

All this is speculation imho.


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Will he be allowed appeals, as we do here in the States?

 

[lynck]

Wonder if those cuts on his face and forehead are from the barbed wire fence in the field chase....MOO

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Wonder if those cuts on his face and forehead are from the barbed wire fence in the field chase....MOO

Now that makes a ton of sense.

 

[Slebby]

Another point I'd like to make which will not be a popular point is to remember, the jury has to distinguish between facts and feelings. We are so angry at this horrible man and his despicable crime, especially against the child. But the judge will surely remind them of the law. I am looking ahead to the day when this is over, and hope the judge will interpret the law for us. Apologies to any of you who are criminal lawyers, but the rest of us are amateurs trying to interpret the law and we are mostly guessing, second guessing, and hoping for justice.
Moo
imho


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[lynck]

Another point I'd like to make which will not be a popular point is to remember, the jury has to distinguish between facts and feelings. We are so angry at this horrible man and his despicable crime, especially against the child. But the judge will surely remind them of the law. I am looking ahead to the day when this is over, and hope the judge will interpret the law for us. Apologies to any of you who are criminal lawyers, but the rest of us are amateurs trying to interpret the law and we are mostly guessing, second guessing, and hoping for justice.
Moo
imho


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I'm relatively certain he's going to be found guilty of all 3 counts, especially with the evidence on his shoes (AL DNA) and boots (DNA of all 3, plus only his inside). Those two items right there are a smoking gun in my opinion.

 

[Spellbound]

Another point I'd like to make which will not be a popular point is to remember, the jury has to distinguish between facts and feelings. We are so angry at this horrible man and his despicable crime, especially against the child. But the judge will surely remind them of the law. I am looking ahead to the day when this is over, and hope the judge will interpret the law for us. Apologies to any of you who are criminal lawyers, but the rest of us are amateurs trying to interpret the law and we are mostly guessing, second guessing, and hoping for justice.
Moo
imho


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:goodpost: very well said! If it didn't take up so much space, it would be my tagline.

 

[dogmatica]

Will he be allowed appeals, as we do here in the States?

Yes he will.

 

[naz]

Wonder if those cuts on his face and forehead are from the barbed wire fence in the field chase....MOO

I think they were there when he was first arrested... July 4 or 5th, not 100% sure though.