Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #3

[otto]

Right? That should settle it. I thought I had read that AL had children (1 living in the US?) from a previous marriage as well as a daughter and son with KL. Does this sound familiar to anyone else? I've searched online but I had read it here from a MSM link and now don't seem to be able to find it. Anyone?

I think that when this first happened people found facebook profiles of the missing grandparents and were able to conclude that Alvin had four children, and Kathryn had two children. Some information was confirmed based on the obituary of Kathryn's mother.

http://www.yourlifemoments.ca/sitepages/obituary.asp?oId=540006

 

[Sillybilly]

Sounds like the house was searched (I would assume so) and they found this deceased young lads ID still in his possession in the house. Knowing his history LE better keep close tabs on this POI or he may take off again. That's if he's still out there free. I don't think they can hold him on this charge but he will have a court date set for this new charge. Did I read something to do with Monday? MOO.

Might be able to hold him swedie ... he disappeared before to avoid the drug charges, so he should be considered a flight risk :biggrin:

 

[Weebles]

AL has at least 3 other children from a previous marriage a son who is in a relationship and has children with PG, and 2 daughters. KL has 2 children JO and a son. I think the info came from a online bio written by KL that someone found on the first day of this case.

Biography
I am married with 2 children (4 step and 11 grandchildren (10 Step and 1 of my own), I graduated

http://www.warriorforum.com/members/kliknes.html

 

[otto]

I found a MSM (Reuters) article from 2008, in which Alvin Liknes is mentioned, along with two companies he's involved with:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/09/18/idUS104313+18-Sep-2008+BW20080918

This is exactly what I was suggesting over the last few days ... all sorts of "forward looking" companies looking for investors. I think that his Vecto company was delisted in 2008, and this "forward looking" merger was set up in 2008.

From your link: "Actual results could differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking's statements as a result of risk factors discussed in Whitemark Homes Inc."

 

[mor58]

IMO she is putting on a brave face for her other children, as well as her husband. They can't both fall apart, on the outside, anyway.
In my experience anyway, if my husband is upset or blaming himself for something, i automatically become the strong, reassuring, optimistic one. She probably feels that if she falls apart, so will everything else.

I have noticed her response is very calm considering. I did find her behavior odd. Maybe she is a very calm person in general. I Would never want to know how I would act but it would not be calm. I would have to be sedated... Maybe she has had some medication to help her?? It's not uncommon for doctors to call medication in to help with a crisis situation.
OMO

 

[Weebles]

Reporter question 16:21 of video

Reporter Question: "Both Kathryn and Rod had declared bankruptcy in the last several years, are you investigating that?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1lYafbDOjk

 

[arizona sunshine]

I have noticed her response is very calm considering. I did find her behavior odd. Maybe she is a very calm person in general. I Would never want to know how I would act but it would not be calm. I would have to be sedated... Maybe she has had some medication to help her?? It's not uncommon for doctors to call medication in to help with a crisis situation.
OMO

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i notice she has similar demeanour in some photos holding her new born son, to me i recognise her holding her husband in the same calm devoted way

 

[ResearchQuest]

Well how long had they been married??

Here is the obituary for KL's mother:

http://yourlifemoments.ca/sitepages/obituary.asp?oid=540006

KL's maiden name would have been Prevost. I notice that JO called herself Provost-Liknes, or P-L, at least in one instance. I have no idea how to search for marriage records in Alberta, though. It does appear that JO is their bio child, according to this, at least. Why, though, is Nathan the only one mentioned as a grandchild. Doesn't he have an older brother?

 

[Weebles]

While Garland had already confessed to stealing Matthew Hartley's identity in the 1990s when he was hiding out in Vancouver, the new charge laid this weekend relates to the recent use of that same identity and allows police to keep him remanded in custody until at least tomorrow.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/nathan-o-brien-amber-alert-person-of-interest-has-criminal-past-new-charge-1.2698107

 

[Cherchri]

Here is the obituary for KL's mother:

http://yourlifemoments.ca/sitepages/obituary.asp?oid=540006

KL's maiden name would have been Prevost. I notice that JO called herself Provost-Liknes, or P-L, at least in one instance. I have no idea how to search for marriage records in Alberta, though. It does appear that JO is their bio child, according to this, at least. Why, though, is Nathan the only one mentioned as a grandchild. Doesn't he have an older brother?

The older child is RO's child from a previous marriage. The baby had not yet been born when this obit was published

 

[otto]

Reporter question 16:21 of video

Reporter Question: "Both Kathryn and Rod had declared bankruptcy in the last several years, are you investigating that?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1lYafbDOjk

Thanks for finding that! I've had it wrong all along, thinking that Alvin had declared bankruptcy. I wonder why Kathryn declared bankruptcy. Here is her work profile:

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/kathryn-liknes/b/200/727

That very unusual. I know I read that both of Nathan's parents worked at Cenovus. RO is listed as a CGA - certified general accountant. It is usually seriously frowned upon if an accountant declares bankruptcy. In fact, I'm fairly certain that Chartered Accountants risk losing their designation if they declare bankruptcy, especially if the economy is strong. I wonder if that it is a mistake about RO declaring bankruptcy.

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/rodney-o-brien-cga/38/545/935

 

[HulaMum]

Here is the obituary for KL's mother:

http://yourlifemoments.ca/sitepages/obituary.asp?oid=540006

KL's maiden name would have been Prevost. I notice that JO called herself Provost-Liknes, or P-L, at least in one instance. I have no idea how to search for marriage records in Alberta, though. It does appear that JO is their bio child, according to this, at least. Why, though, is Nathan the only one mentioned as a grandchild. Doesn't he have an older brother?

OK, that makes sense with what I have seen on FB. Prevost is also a name that has popped up with newspaper comments and on FB.

Nathan's older sibling is a half-brother by his father. This child, L, is not JO's biological child. At the time (of the obit.), Nathan's younger sibling, M, had not been born.

 

[HulaMum]

Thanks for finding that! I've had it wrong all along, thinking that Alvin had declared bankruptcy. I wonder why Kathryn declared bankruptcy. Here is her work profile:

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/kathryn-liknes/b/200/727

That very unusual. I know I read that both of Nathan's parents worked at Cenovus. RO is listed as a CGA - certified general accountant. It is usually seriously frowned upon if an accountant declares bankruptcy. In fact, I'm fairly certain that Chartered Accountants risk losing their designation if they declare bankruptcy, especially if the economy is strong. I wonder if that it is a mistake about RO declaring bankruptcy.

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/rodney-o-brien-cga/38/545/935

I wondered the same thing. An accountant declaring bankruptcy, eh? But I see - *FB rumor*- that he was back to school in just the last few years to achieve his CGA. I wonder if the bankruptcy was shortly before that, before he held the designation?

 

[Weebles]

In a conversation with CTV, Rod O'Brien, Nathan's father, said the family had been informed by police that a person was being questioned but the O'Briens have not received an update on the investigation.

Rod says the family continues to pray for the safe return of Nathan, Kathy and Alvin.


Read more: http://calgary.ctvnews.ca/police-conclude-investigation-of-body-of-water-northeast-of-airdrie-1.1901258#ixzz36kqWSDiu

 

[otto]

I wondered the same thing. An accountant declaring bankruptcy, eh? But I see - *FB rumor*- that he was back to school in just the last few years to achieve his CGA. I wonder if the bankruptcy was shortly before that, before he held the designation?

That might explain this, or the bankrupcy occurred shortly after the last job change. It's confusing to say the least. In fact, everything about work history is very confusing across the board with this abduction, making it really difficult to understand whether there were any work related issues that had something to do with the very unusual situation.

"CGA Alberta CGA Designation, Accounting
2005 – 2011

Southern Alberta Institute of Technology Bachelor of Business Administration, Major Accounting
2003 – 2011 "

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/rodney-o-brien-cga/38/545/935

 

[Weebles]

Chemist at what type of lab ?

Douglas Garland was living in B.C.’s Lower Mainland and working as a chemical mixer at the B.C. Institute of Technology when police found him.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/06/douglas-garland-is-person-of-interest-in-case-of-missing-boy-convicted-drug-trafficker-has-ties-to-family/

The court heard Garland rose to become a supervisor of more than 30 people at Can Test but was unable to cope and suffered another breakdown. He was fired in 1997.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/06/douglas-garland-is-person-of-interest-in-case-of-missing-boy-convicted-drug-trafficker-has-ties-to-family/

 

[Sillybilly]

I read it was in response to a wanted poster the tipster saw because DG was listed Canada's most wanted list.

Yes, but he was wanted as DG, not as MKH. Whoever called it in KNEW what stolen identity he was using.

 

[Sillybilly]

Wonder if there was a reward given to the tipster. I would hope the tipster remained anonymous...but people talk.

I used to be on Crimestoppers. Don't know if it's the same now, but even WE didn't know the identity of the tipster. They were assigned a number, and believe it or not, very surreptitious methods were used to arrange for the money to be delivered to the tipster

 

[Weebles]

Yes, but he was wanted as DG, not as MKH. Whoever called it in KNEW what stolen identity he was using.

Authorities found Douglas Garland in 1999, thanks in part to a tipster who contacted police after seeing his picture on an RCMP “most wanted” list online.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/07/06/douglas-garland-is-person-of-interest-in-case-of-missing-boy-convicted-drug-trafficker-has-ties-to-family/

 

[Carli]

Actually, according to Garland v M.N.R http://caselaw.canada.globe24h.com/0/0/federal/tax-court-of-canada/2005/03/03/garland-v-m-n-r-2005-tcc-176.shtml

"He also seems to have been traumatized by causing what he described as a horrific accident due to falling asleep at the wheel."


IMO there's only one undeniable fact about this character, DG and that is that he is a very skilled compulsive liar. For that reason I seriously doubt his self-serving tale about remorse and guilt over a car accident he believed he'd caused. (Actually, I suspect that was just another of his flights of fancy arising from his having learned that the child whose identity he assumed had died as a result of such an accident, so he just transposed himself into the incident as both instigator and victim or cooked up a similar but fictitious accident to play on the court's sympathies.) However intelligent, incredibly devious and totally untrustworthy an individual he may be, however, IMO it seems we're still a heck of a long way away from proving he took the lives of three people. Not just "people" but, as we're being told, individuals he actually knew well in real life. Does such a person, whose life is apparently rooted in fantasies, actually have the capacity to physically and successfully carry out real time murders of real life people? I don't know. Maybe. On the other hand, his bio also makes him out to be pretty much mad as a hatter, IMO. If that's the case, it's probably a worthless task to attach rational motives to an irrational mind. IMO. IMHO.