Deceased/Not Found Canada - Alvin, 66, & Kathy Liknes, 53, Nathan O'Brien, 5, Calgary, 30 June 2014 - #9

[Deleted member 117120]

I agree. I think another person is involved somehow and i still have a strange feeling NO is still alive. Maybe just me being hopeful for the sweet little boy but stranger things have happened. JMO but definitely think DG isn't the only one involved.

It is possible but I keep thinking of two descriptions of DG a) he is a loner b) sees himself as brilliant and smarter than law as in he represented himself in a court of law and ran from the law. Seems to me he would not work well with anyone or taking direction from anyone. But anything is plausible.

 

[kdgdid]

Would be interesting to know whose property he was arrested on and if the house was occupied?

"Life on Range Road 291 changed forever at 1:30 a.m. on July 14. The quiet street was awash with flashing lights that night as neighbours said Mr. Garland crossed two open fields and was arrested on the porch of the home behind his family’s property."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/airdrie-calgary-struggle-with-grim-puzzle/article19682368/?page=all

We need otto and his map skills for this one!

 

[goodasgold]

It is possible but I keep thinking of two descriptions of DG a) he is a loner b) sees himself as brilliant and smarter than law as in he represented himself in a court of law and ran from the law. Seems to me he would not work well with anyone or taking direction from anyone. But anything is plausible.

Misery does like company especially if they have something in common. Nothing against AL but DG probably isn't the only person he has crossed in his day. JMO

 

[PrincessButtercup]

This is all speculation.

We don't even know for a definite fact which hotel kicked him out.


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Well all Airdrie hotels except one are at that end of the city with the rest actually being closer.

 

[Deleted member 117120]

Strange how MSM never looked into which motel DG stayed at and try to interview the staff when they go so far as to contact a very old lady who lost two children. Geez

 

[musicaljoke]

Right! That's exactly what got me going. As the camera is zooming in on that hut, you can see what looks like a propane tank behind it. It also has a little ventilator on the roof. Does anyone know what this hut/shed is?
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Could they be home-made calf hutches? There seems to be a bit of fencing around them and an area where the grass has been cut, chewed off, or trampled.

It looks like there is a crow bar resting on the roof of one of the "hutches", which makes me question the calf hutch idea. A person shouldn't need a crow bar to get into a calf hutch.

 

[goodasgold]

I have always had a niggling suspicion that there was an accomplice or at least an 'answer man'. (someone that specializes in cleaning up crime scenes). I also think it could be why the green truck kept circling the Liknes' street - as a lookout and a ride away from the scene for whoever else was involved.
Having said that, I doubt that anyone involved would have given DG a ride from the hotel...

Who is to say he didn't rent a car after his release, or his parent's car wasn't made available to him? We can only speculate.

I really hope DG is the guy and someone else is not laughing about this getting away with murder or kidnapping. JMO. I cannot wait until we get to know the evidence that LE knows. The trial will not come soon enough. I feel so bad for the family, seems they do not know much either. Hard to accept your loved ones were killed without the evidence to why they are presumed dead.

 

[goodasgold]

Could they be home-made calf hutches? There seems to be a bit of fencing around them and an area where the grass has been cut, chewed off, or trampled.

It looks like there is a crow bar resting on the roof of one of the "hutches", which makes me question the calf hutch idea. A person shouldn't need a crow bar to get into a calf hutch.

Creepy idea but maybe the crow bar was not used to get in as much to KEEP things IN. Like 3 victims per say.

 

[winnnancy]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...le-with-grim-puzzle/article19682368/?page=all



He was going back for something.

I remember during his bail hearing when he said he often worked past 9pm...so strange to say that.

In my experience, farmers work dawn until dusk.

 

[news.talk]

I agree. I think another person is involved somehow and i still have a strange feeling NO is still alive. Maybe just me being hopeful for the sweet little boy but stranger things have happened. JMO but definitely think DG isn't the only one involved.

From my experience based on covering many homicides and dealing with LE, IMO, they would not go ahead with murder charges unless they had indisputable proof and evidence. The Crown would not risk their case if there was any room for reasonable doubt.

 

[musicaljoke]

Plus after you harvest the wheat, you then bale up the straw, and in the photos (when you zoom in) all the little "dots" in the fields are probably large round bales.

Would farmers have taken grain off at the end of June? I think it's not very likely, too early in the season. Also, straw is often baled in small bales for easy handling, whereas hay goes into large bales. I suspect it's hay. But I could be wrong.

 

[tracyhmcd]

The CTV News piece on the arrest day shows the Motel6 when noting the hotel DG was staying at:

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/man-to...y-boy-grandparents-bodies-not-found-1.1913168


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[CentralAlberta]

I think those 3 little sheds have much to do with this case. It is obvious they were not normally used as there is no worn path to them. The one with what looks like some kind of exhaust or whirly bird has definitely been stomped around recently or had digging happen in front of it. Is it possible the searchers didn't pay much attention to that 'soil' because they knew the helicopter was hovering and most likely recording them? When the one that walked away returns it appears he goes around that area but it's right at the end of the clip so difficult to know for sure.

 

[CentralAlberta]

In my experience, farmers work dawn until dusk.

This just doesn't look like a working farm to me. The buildings are all overgrown. Usually there is some kind of road to the machine shed and I just don't see anything like this. The only 'road' on the place is the from the road. I really don't think that's any kind of crop the searchers are walking through as it looks like the same 'grass' right up to all buildings and even in the little fenced area ( I think by the old green truck).

 

[Krystine]

The idea of an accomplish doesn't seem likely to me. If there was one would DG not have talked by now. I cant imagine him taking the blame entirely if there was more than him involved and would LE not have said something by now. I thought I heard LE say he was the only one they were actively looking at. Anything is possible but I cant see DG taking the blame if he could get away with it. Add to that his suicide watch because he knows he was caught. Respectfully my own opinion...

I think DG's silence (if he is in fact being silent with LE) is to imply he is not guilty. He's putting the burden of proof on LE's evidence. To rat on anyone else involved would prove he did this thing. Again, not an expert by any means, just another poster with an opinion.

 

[musicaljoke]

If you have an acreage or farm. You'd be surprised what you can get at UFA ... bulk poison, all sorts of bulk chemicals, even explosives!

There would be a record of those purchases at the store. Only qualified people can purchase restricted chemicals. DG may have been qualified, and if so, his name, address, registration number, etc., would be documented at the time of purchase.

http://environment.gov.ab.ca/info/library/7285.pdf

 

[Krystine]

I think those 3 little sheds have much to do with this case. It is obvious they were not normally used as there is no worn path to them. The one with what looks like some kind of exhaust or whirly bird has definitely been stomped around recently or had digging happen in front of it. Is it possible the searchers didn't pay much attention to that 'soil' because they knew the helicopter was hovering and most likely recording them? When the one that walked away returns it appears he goes around that area but it's right at the end of the clip so difficult to know for sure.

Good observation. There seems to be only one track in the grass leading to the smokehouse ?? on the end.

 

[bakerlady]

I have never seen this photo of DG before. He does look kind of old and frail. Could he really carry around over 200lbs of dead weight?

 

[news.talk]

I can't help but think, that many people are giving DG waaaaaay too much credit. He is far from a mastermind.... He used his own vehicle to case and carry-out the homicides, obviously left trace evidence at his home and/or truck, and was apprehended defying a court order, returning to where evidence had been collected. Also, unlike many homicides of this nature, he was arrested after a very short period in the investigation.

Therefore, I can only surmise that the disposal of the victims was more simplistic in nature such as dumping. IMO, that is why LE have focused their search where they have. The suspect has failed at everything he ever did.... This time is no exception.

 

[bornofposeidon]

From my experience based on covering many homicides and dealing with LE, IMO, they would not go ahead with murder charges unless they had indisputable proof and evidence. The Crown would not risk their case if there was any room for reasonable doubt.

Obviously I have no proof to back this up but the fact that murder charges have been laid makes me wonder if LE have found, if not a body, but organ tissue or bone fragments during their search of the farm. Also, lye used for decomposition leaves behind a brown sludge. Again, no proof that it was used but LE may have found this sludge in a drain or one of the sloughs.