CANADA Canada - Audrey Gleave, 73, Ancaster ON, 30 Dec 2010 #7

[Wondergirl]

SL and SV used social media;
AG was very computer savvy (unknown if she used social media)

SL and AG lived very rural and were left in their homes;
SV did not live as rural and was removed from her home.

Note: Although SL did not live alone, she was in her studio which was isolated from the main residence

These 3 cases weigh on my mind frequently.

Who committed these heinous acts?

Are they the same person?

Is there more than one beast around the southwestern Ontario area committing these cruel crimes?

We really have to consider that the perp has moved on, changed MO, and possibly left the country. I would like to think that ViClas would have connected similar crimes if committed in Canada.

Think outside the box.

 

[Wondergirl]

Connecting the dots for SL, SV and AG:

- all lived near stables/horses
- the crimes were all horrifically brutal
- all three crimes were committed within about a 1 hour drive or about 100 km from each other
- none of the crimes have been solved
- all females of a certain age - not teens/20's
- two of them had white cars
- two of them lived alone
- all three were professional women (nurse, photographer, teacher)
- all crimes were committed between August and December in 2010
- two of the crimes were committed on the 29 - 30 of the month
- all were in peaceful, quiet communities (not Toronto)

Am I missing anything?

:twocents:

WOW. Great connections.

You are missing this, the sketch of the known suspect in the SL attack:

 

[Woodland]

IF it is the same perp in all three cases and IF he left his car parked near GH, how did he get to SV's house? Did he just walk in? He could have easily parked near SV's house and also near AG's house and walked to the houses.

After the ungodly SV killing, how did he manage to drive his own car safely to wherever he was going? He'd be covered in blood. What if he was stopped for a traffic infraction? This is one bold killer! Or is it a pair of killers? That would make the whole ordeal easier, I'd say.

We need answers and arrest(s).....

That's a good point NSU - that he would be covered in blood.

Was he more careful than bold and had a backpack with a change of clothes with him?

 

[Pink Panther]

Gee, I thought we had the names of the yahoos, some of them were interviewed weren't they? I know at least one moved out west not long after the murder.

You'd think that LE has their names???

I really do hope that they follow up on this new information we've been discussing. It would be nice if someone in the media would ask some questions too. At the very least, it would revive Audrey's, Sonia's and Shelley's case!

moo

 

[Pink Panther]

Hi.

I have put the 2 photo's together, the Florida Jail house photo and the one from the Ontario sketch regarding the attack.

Sidekick - Can you repost the side-by-sides please!

Do you know how to make the images bigger like the one that silly just posted above???

 

[Wondergirl]

Sidekick - Can you repost the side-by-sides please!

Do you know how to make the images bigger like the one that silly just posted above???

I am not at all convinced that there is motive for this sex offender being related to AG's murder, but, I do see why he has been the subject of speculation based on his facial similarities. Wow.

http://www.jailbase.com/en/arrested/fl-bso/2013-03-22/jonathan-vanstone-901300278

http://www.citizen.on.ca/news/2011-...eases_sketch_of_possible_assault_suspect.html

 

[Pink Panther]

That's a good point NSU - that he would be covered in blood.

Was he more careful than bold and had a backpack with a change of clothes with him?

http://www.equiman.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=524030
(Have a look at their sponsors on the right - Greenhawk is in there.)

There was much discussion about this earlier in the case (SV) ...Where one could go to "wash off". This place in Erin was mentioned on unsolved CA (for SV) very early. I'm not sure, am I allowed to post from that site??? If someone (a mod) gives me the "go ahead" I will.

moo

Posted elsewhere re SV on August 2010:

"Since Sonia's car was found parked right behind the Greenhawk store which sells horse related items (tack, clothing, horse equipment, horse medications, etc) is it possible that the perp might have some connections to the horse industry....ie. blood soaked bedding might be washed in a location a few minutes away rather than so close to the scene of the crime? The laundromat in Erin (about 15 minutes away) has a large washer specifically designated for horse blankets/dog blankets. I have horses and have washed horse blankets there and it is, to my knowledge, the only laundromat in the area where you can wash horse blankets. Most people get them cleaned by a horse blanket cleaning companies but I am too cheap/thrifty (you can wash 3 horse blankets for $7.00)."

BTW - Erin is where JV grew up.

 

[Wondergirl]

Would someone be so kind as to give me the Cole's notes on what you think the link is to JV and AG?

Also, is the general thought that he could possibly be linked to the other 2 crimes?

Has the info gone anywhere but here?

I am sorry, I just can't go back and read all the posts right now.

 

[Pink Panther]

Thanks so much for posting Wondergirl. You may well be right but one never knows. Given that all three cases seem to be completely stalled and that there are many interesting connections, it might be worth LE doing a "quick" check to see if anything pans out. If not, then there is one more possibility to rule out.

moo

 

[Pink Panther]

Would someone be so kind as to give me the Cole's notes on what you think the link is to JV and AG?

Also, is the general thought that he could possibly be linked to the other 2 crimes?

Has the info gone anywhere but here?

I am sorry, I just can't go back and read all the posts right now.

It has been reported to LE. I'm not sure which jurisdiction. (In fact, maybe we should make sure that all areas - Mono, Orangeville, Hamilton) are notified?

The JV in Florida appears to be the nephew of LV (AG's close friend) and was most likely born around the time that LV first became friends with AG about 30 years ago. Given that AG supposedly spent time with LV over important holidays, it's likely that she met JV.

This same JV has lived in Aurora and seems to have been involved somehow with horses. (Probably hired as a horse hand.) His FB page connects him to Orangeville and Mono. (SV and SL). There are many other parallels worth investigating...

He was sleuthed here a long time ago without anything particularly relevant coming about until he was arrested in Florida this year.

If you go back to page 10 of this thread and read forward, you will find lots more information.

moo

 

[Woodland]

Wondergirl - not sure if you caught that JV is LV's nephew.

 

[Pink Panther]

Wondergirl - not sure if you caught that JV is LV's nephew.

LOL. I ramble a bit don't I? You got right to the point!

:floorlaugh:

 

[Pink Panther]

Does anyone who reads here have a connection to the Loder family? Could they perhaps try to share some of this information with her directly? Maybe Shelley remembers something or can connect with something we're talking about?

 

[No_Stone_Unturned]

Is SL home yet? Still in hospital? Able to communicate with LE?

Why has her condition been kept so quiet?

:twocents:

 

[dotr]

http://m.theglobeandmail.com/news/n...-profilers-say/article1320192/?service=mobile

"The FBI’s Behavioural Analysis Unit, known for working on serial killer cases, is famous from U.S. TV police dramas and movies. The OPP’s Behavioural Science Analysis Services, meanwhile, was credited earlier this year with effecting the arrest of Mr. Williams nine days after he killed Jessica Lloyd in the Eastern Ontario community of Tweed.

The unit also gathered evidence in the Tori Stafford investigation and one of its officers located her remains.

As academic research into psychological patterns among criminals improves, the work of such profilers has become more useful in investigations.

“The ones where it’s thought to be most effective are any type of serial crime or where it’s thought to be unusual or there’s some psychopathology,” said Michael Woodworth, a psychologist at the University of British Columbia.

Police so far have not revealed all the details of either the homicide or the second attack, which took place last Tuesday. A 44-year-old woman was assaulted in a barn converted to a studio next to her home in a rural area north of Orangeville. Identified by neighbours as Shelley Loder, a family photographer with two school-aged children, she remains unconscious in hospital.

Despite the parallels, police point to differences between her case and that of Ms. Varaschin, who lived alone and was attacked at night, while Ms. Loder was assaulted during the day. But this was cold comfort to townsfolk at the briefing"

 

[dotr]

If LE brought in outside specialists for these cases,maybe they do think it is a serial killer or that the crimes were "unusual" with some "psychopathology'"
Making that another commonality between the 3 victims.
Cannot remember if a barn was a theme of sorts to the 3 attacks, but LE did search the barn near AG, SL of course was in a converted barn and SV did not have a nearby barn, but perhaps GH's where SV's car was found was a "stand in" for a barn's horse stable?
Although SL was attacked in the day and SV at night, that might not represent when the perp prefers to attack, but rather when he has opportunity.imo.

 

[Sillybilly]

To add to dotr's last post ^^, it is also possible that the perp was able to hide before the attack:

in SL's barn/studio
in SV's townhouse while she visited her parents in Bolton
in AG's garage while she was to the vet's

 

[Sillybilly]

From the link that dotr posted:

The “unprecedented” meeting of the minds began the same day another local woman was attacked.

It is not unprecedented ... they had a big brain-storming think-tank session with outside agencies/experts wrt the Project KARE cases of missing/murdered women of Edmonton a few years ago, when they announced they were looking for a serial killer in some of the cases.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...re"+"brain+storming"&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

 

[dotr]

From the link that dotr posted:



It is not unprecedented ... they had a big brain-storming think-tank session with outside agencies/experts wrt the Project KARE cases of missing/murdered women of Edmonton a few years ago, when they announced they were looking for a serial killer in some of the cases.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...re"+"brain+storming"&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

Could that possibly, remotely suggest the Western " highway sk/s " may have gone East, or crossed borders from the South ?

 

[Pink Panther]

From the link that dotr posted:



It is not unprecedented ... they had a big brain-storming think-tank session with outside agencies/experts wrt the Project KARE cases of missing/murdered women of Edmonton a few years ago, when they announced they were looking for a serial killer in some of the cases.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...re"+"brain+storming"&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca

I'm not sure why but I am unable to open that link.