Canada - Barry, 75, & Honey Sherman, 70, found dead, Toronto, 15 Dec 2017 #11

[dotr]

http://www.kkl-jnf.org/about-kkl-jnf/green-israel-news/january-2019/canada-sherman-grove/
Tuesday, January 8: Family and friends dedicated a grove of trees in the Carmel Forest in memory of Canadian philanthropists Barry and Honey Sherman z"l, one year after their sudden deaths.

"The pouring rain and inclement weather did not deter the friends of Kaelen Sherman from attending the plaque unveiling ceremony in the KKL-JNF Carmel Forest marking the planting of a grove of trees in honour of Kaelen’s parents Honey and Barry, of blessed memory. The event took place almost exactly one year after they died in tragic circumstances."

Kaelen unveiled the plaque, which read:

Grove Rehabilitation in the Carmel Forest
The Sherman Family
In memory of our parents
Honey and Barry Sherman Z”L
‘We love you forever Mom and Dad’

Toronto, Canada"
"Mizrachi described some of the major KKL-JNF projects that were financed by the Shermans. These were the restoration of the Jerusalem Peace Forest and the construction of a recreation area there; the provision of protective bomb shelters in Beer Sheva, at a home for children with special needs and for communities around the Gaza Strip; and the construction of the Mediterranean Botanical Gardens in Acre. He said that due to their modesty and humility there were no big signs bearing their names at these sites. “However now after their awful death, JNF Toronto decided to plant a grove of trees in their memory. The new grove is here in this forest. Their grove overlooks the valley just as they look over us now.”

 

[WINDSOR]

If Warmington is correct, and the TPS have one or more suspects currently. I have a feeling that they discovered some forensic evidence at the Sherman home, and combined with the videos, and identified some potential perpetrators. However they may not have enough evidence to ensure a conviction yet. They may also be looking for co-conspirators who had indirect involvement.

Often times in cases like this, the police will identify a suspect they feel they can 'turn' with a plea bargain to gain additional evidence. For this to be happening, I would assume more than one person was involved in committing these crimes.

It has always been my feeling that several people were involved in the planning completion of this crime. But in all honesty I had no facts to support that feeling.

Is there any indication (beyond Warmington's use of the plural, 'suspects') how many people were likely involved in the deaths for the Shermans.

 

[dotr]

If Warmington is correct, and the TPS have one or more suspects currently. I have a feeling that they discovered some forensic evidence at the Sherman home, and combined with the videos, and identified some potential perpetrators. However they may not have enough evidence to ensure a conviction yet. They may also be looking for co-conspirators who had indirect involvement.

Often times in cases like this, the police will identify a suspect they feel they can 'turn' with a plea bargain to gain additional evidence. For this to be happening, I would assume more than one person was involved in committing these crimes.

It has always been my feeling that several people were involved in the planning completion of this crime. But in all honesty I had no facts to support that feeling.

Is there any indication (beyond Warmington's use of the plural, 'suspects') how many people were likely involved in the deaths for the Shermans.

rbbm
Most reports refer to killer or killers, imo. J Warmington suggests 4 or 5 suspects @ 8:05
https://nationalpost.com/news/10-3-podcast-barry-and-honey-sherman-killing-one-year-on

Private investigators believe Toronto billionaires Barry and Honey Sherman were murdered, source says | CBC News
"Private investigators believe that the billionaire Toronto couple found dead at their home in December were murdered by multiple killers, a source with direct knowledge of the parallel probe into their mysterious deaths told CBC Toronto."

WARMINGTON: Nothing but silence six months after mysterious Barry and Honey Sherman deaths
"And here we are on June 15th with no results. Their killer, or killers, a virtual ghost.

The homicide investigation into this remains a head scratcher — a real who dunnit with way more questions than answers."

It’s been a year since Barry and Honey Sherman were killed. There are so many questions. So few answers
"In the year since, the Toronto police’s handling of the case has become almost as fundamental a mystery as the identity of the killer or killers, and the questions have only multiplied."

 

[WINDSOR]

dotr, thanks, Nobody is very specific, however the fact the private investigators believe there were multiple killers, and Warmington eludes to multiple suspects, the probability is that a number of individuals were involved.

Based on that probability one is lead to surmise that the murders were possibly done on somebody's behalf and/or instructions. That would then imply; planning, financing and logistics at minimum. Of course the more people involved the greater risk of capture in some cases.

Sure would be nice to know what Greenspan's team or the TPS know.

 

[JayFriend]

Here is something to consider. TPS originally said this was a murder suicide, but then changed it to a double murder after outrage and pressure from the family. Was that a PR move or an actual change in the investigation? If the former, we should not expect any more news and the case will eventually fall off the radar. If the latter, we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[MistyWaters]

Here is something to consider. TPS originally said this was a murder suicide, but then changed it to a double murder after outrage and pressure from the family. Was that a PR move or an actual change in the investigation? If the former, we should not expect any more news and the case will eventually fall off the radar. If the latter, we'll just have to wait and see.

Although I can understand why the impression was left that LE did an about face, there was never an official statement from TPS stating the deaths were a murder/suicide and the source of that information to the media has never been publicly disclosed. Besides, on day the day of discovery it’d be impossible for anyone to have made such a determination prior to the initial autopsy even being conducted or any investigation taking place. However it does appears the bodies were initially staged in such a way as to appear a murder suicide took place.

 

[MistyWaters]

dotr, thanks, Nobody is very specific, however the fact the private investigators believe there were multiple killers, and Warmington eludes to multiple suspects, the probability is that a number of individuals were involved.

Based on that probability one is lead to surmise that the murders were possibly done on somebody's behalf and/or instructions. That would then imply; planning, financing and logistics at minimum. Of course the more people involved the greater risk of capture in some cases.

Sure would be nice to know what Greenspan's team or the TPS know.

If there’s more than one suspect who are all interconnected in some way, it’s also possible blame is being directed in each direction and the challenge for LE would be to determine who’s telling the truth and who is not.

 

[JDG]

If it was a murder/suicide, the homicide squad would not have stayed on the case for long. They would have seen the autopsy results and then left.

The fact that they stayed at the scene for weeks on end, speaks to the non-change decision that it was a double murder.

 

[MistyWaters]

If it was a murder/suicide, the homicide squad would not have stayed on the case for long. They would have seen the autopsy results and then left.

The fact that they stayed at the scene for weeks on end, speaks to the non-change decision that it was a double murder.

I also thought it was a good indication double homicide was suspected when the Homicide Unit immediately took over the investigation two or three days after the initial discovery, once the autopsies revealed both deaths were caused the same way, by ligature neck compression. If medical forensics determined the injuries to the neck were the same for each, same placement, same degree, it’d be impossible for the two to have died in different ways, one murdered, the other by suicide.

 

[JayFriend]

If it was a murder/suicide, the homicide squad would not have stayed on the case for long. They would have seen the autopsy results and then left.

The fact that they stayed at the scene for weeks on end, speaks to the non-change decision that it was a double murder.

When their first impression that it was a murder/suicide got leaked, they weren't going to spend a lot more time on it. Only after the family's outrage at that conclusion did the investigation publicly change. But what new evidence has TPS come up with to share after a year? Nothing. That's what makes me think it may well have been murder/suicide and TPS is just waiting for it to all go away so they can close the case.

 

[MistyWaters]

When their first impression that it was a murder/suicide got leaked, they weren't going to spend a lot more time on it. Only after the family's outrage at that conclusion did the investigation publicly change. But what new evidence has TPS come up with to share after a year? Nothing. That's what makes me think it may well have been murder/suicide and TPS is just waiting for it to all go away so they can close the case.

Is there a reason you think LE ought to share evidence with the public prior to changes being laid in a homicide case?

To the contrary, files that would normally be available under Freedom of Information legislation have been sealed by Court order. In Canada, during the course of an investigation that’s quite typical.

 

[Tighthead]

Is there a reason you think LE ought to share evidence with the public prior to changes being laid in a homicide case?

To the contrary, files that would normally be available under Freedom of Information legislation have been sealed by Court order. In Canada, during the course of an investigation that’s quite typical.

Besides the probate file, what has been sealed?

 

[dotr]

Was FD' A told how many people were questioned, why did he think he was number 127, (the last to be questioned) ?
speculation. rbbm.
January 27, 2018
WARMINGTON: Barry Sherman’s ex-biz partner knew ‘from day one’ couple was murdered
"Toronto Police have interviewed 127 people in the Sherman double murder investigation.

Frank D’Angelo thinks he was Number 127."

Sorry to quote my own post, but this might be how FD A knew 127 witnesses made statements, imo.speculation.
TPSNews.ca | Stories | Sherman Deaths Ruled Homicide
"Gomes said that close to 150 bulk or packaged items have been seized and are currently being reviewed and forensically analyzed and 127 witness statements have been compiled."

“This number continues to grow each day,” she said. “This included the collection of approximately four terabytes of security video from both commercial and residential properties. You can fit approximately 500 hours of video in one terabyte. And, 348 investigative actions have been assigned and are being vigorously investigated.”

 

[JDG]

When their first impression that it was a murder/suicide got leaked, they weren't going to spend a lot more time on it. Only after the family's outrage at that conclusion did the investigation publicly change. But what new evidence has TPS come up with to share after a year? Nothing. That's what makes me think it may well have been murder/suicide and TPS is just waiting for it to all go away so they can close the case.

TPS does not 'SHARE' evidentiary information with the public.
Everything is saved for trial of the perp.

Jay, do you have a MSM link that says TPS wasn't going to stay for any length of time until the family objected and that their objection is the reason the TPS stayed on the case? Tx.

I believe they stayed due to evidence found during the autopsies, that lead to the conclusion of double murder. There is NO conspiracy here IMO

 

[JayFriend]

Is there a reason you think LE ought to share evidence with the public prior to changes being laid in a homicide case?

Only to the extent that it would assure the public they're still on the job and not dragging their feet until it's forgotten. Some updates, however vague, would be appropriate.

 

[MistyWaters]

Besides the probate file, what has been sealed?

Search warrants and production orders.
Toronto police obtain nine new search warrants in Sherman murder investigation | The Star

 

[casesensitive]

Here is something to consider. TPS originally said this was a murder suicide, but then changed it to a double murder after outrage and pressure from the family. Was that a PR move or an actual change in the investigation? If the former, we should not expect any more news and the case will eventually fall off the radar. If the latter, we'll just have to wait and see.

Unfortunately in a complex case as this is, we may never know answers. We can certainly not count on not having news from Toronto Police during their active investigation. Time will tell. The reward might help.

 

[JDG]

Only to the extent that it would assure the public they're still on the job and not dragging their feet until it's forgotten. Some updates, however vague, would be appropriate.

I don't think TPS ever said they were NOT working on the case.

 

[WINDSOR]

Jayfriend, The day the TPS learned the cause of death as 'ligature neck compression' they had classified the deaths as suspicious and had homicide detectives involved. This was December 15, 2017. This was the first official statement by the TPS.

If this is a cover-up as you imply and the 'TPS is just waiting for it to all go away so they can close the case.' First the media, the family and Websleuths are not going to let it go away. Cases like this never fade away. some examples Ambrose Small, Black Dahlia, JonBenet Ramsey.

Finally, those who subscribe to the cover-up theory, have there been other instances in Toronto of any other cases where there was a suicide, the TPS then based on family and political pressure called it a homicide, and then did not charge anybody? If you believe that is what the TPS doing now, it likely happened before.

 

[Milhano]

I am new to the site. Someone had touched on the subject of DNA, I was curious if anyone knew if the TPS, or the family team, had used E DNA collections? Thanks Environmental DNA - Wikipedia