CANADA Canada - Billionaire Couple Barry & Honey Sherman Murdered @ Home - Toronto #20

[FromGermany1]

I have been pondering same thing.... unless either the slate was polished so it would show footprints and such (which I doubt if they would've done that.. or if the room/floor had become dusty from lack of use (which I also can't imagine it could be THAT dusty, even if not 'cleaned' for 3 weeks or whatever).. or unless the drag marks were made of blood or something??

Afaik, the whole house was cleaned for the Open House tour. The swimming pool area wasn't cleaned for 3 weeks. Didn't the killer want to create dirt, where everything was clean, but in the only uncleaned room? IF, then how did he know about it???

 

[dotr]

Family matters

This is episode six of the podcast series “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman,” hosted by Kevin Donovan.

www.thestar.com

'This is episode six of the podcast series “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman,” hosted by Kevin Donovan.'​

April 28 2023
''All the money in the world can’t buy happiness and the home of Honey and Barry Sherman tells that story. Honey was tough on the kids. Barry was a soft touch. Riches were doled out unevenly and there was division over each other’s lives. Then there were the four cousins who went after Barry in the courts.

This is episode six of “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman,” a “Suspicion” podcast probing the strange case of the famous Toronto couple who were found strangled in their north Toronto home in 2017. For five years, investigative reporter Kevin Donovan has covered the case for the Star, fought court battles to access documents on the police investigation and the Sherman estate, and wrote a book about it.''

 

[newclues]

More of a question. Does anyone know how the court's ruling reads? Is BS supposed to pay off the billion? Or is it Apotec's liability? Or is the Sherman family supposed to pay the money?

Imagine if only BS was obliged to pay one billion. Could then transferring Apotec and other assets in H's name leaving himself bare help avoid payment? Or were they both equally obliged either way?

I have an intuitive feeling that B did not plan to pay off all that money and perhaps just pretended that he planned to. While it reality, he was slowly moving her assets in H's name. And if transferring property and business in H's name could then leave H free to use it the way she wanted and bequest to whoever she wanted to, then someone could feel threatened.

There is supposed to be some difference and separation between corporate assets and personal assets.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

One thing that has bothered me about the deaths, specifically Barry's, is that so many people are talking about him and it's like they're putting words in his mouth to promote their agenda. KW wants to ruin his reputation, FDA only promotes FDA, JS at the funeral acts so loving yet takes pot shots throughout the eulogy and makes sure to tell everyone that his dad wanted to give him lots of money for his businesses. MS gives a sobbing eulogy about how close she and HS were and also makes sure to tell everyone that HS was going to give her 100s of millions.

The only people I find remotely believable are JK and JU who were obviously close to Barry and are having trouble dealing with the deaths.

 

[FPoulet]

More of a question. Does anyone know how the court's ruling reads? Is BS supposed to pay off the billion? Or is it Apotec's liability? Or is the Sherman family supposed to pay the money?

Imagine if only BS was obliged to pay one billion. Could then transferring Apotec and other assets in H's name leaving himself bare help avoid payment? Or were they both equally obliged either way?

I have an intuitive feeling that B did not plan to pay off all that money and perhaps just pretended that he planned to. While it reality, he was slowly moving her assets in H's name. And if transferring property and business in H's name could then leave H free to use it the way she wanted and bequest to whoever she wanted to, then someone could feel threatened.

One cannot simply transfer assets away to defeat a creditor. Also, Apotex is most certainly the entity with the liability. It wouldn’t be a direct, personal liability.

 

[deugirtni]

Afaik, the whole house was cleaned for the Open House tour. The swimming pool area wasn't cleaned for 3 weeks. Didn't the killer want to create dirt, where everything was clean, but in the only uncleaned room? IF, then how did he know about it???

I'm not sure where it came from that the pool room hadn't been cleaned for 3 weeks, but personally, I'm not buying it. It sounds like B&H were doing quite a bit to get their home prepped for market (ie we've been told decluttering, home inspection report (whether old or new?), repairs made to outstanding maintenance items (painters?).. plus the photo spread done for the introduction of the home onto the market/open house, included several shots of the pool area, and it is obvious to me that the pool is NOT green (even with the solar blanket on, one can tell if a pool is green), and the room looks fine? If there was dust, I suspect Lexiintoronto's guess may be correct, that it may be due to some type of sanding which had occurred (drywall repairs prior to painting?) as part of getting the home ready.

I'm wondering if perhaps the regular cleaning lady (wasn't she only in the home two days per week?) wasn't involved in getting the home ready for sale, and was just responsible for her usual cleaning tasks (so perhaps she did not know as much as she thinks about what was cleaned and how well and when, etc?)? And the youngest daughter's fiance who said the pool was green - he was speaking of perhaps the last time he was in the home (which was when?), and not the current condition while the home was listed for sale. jmo.

 

[deugirtni]

Family matters

This is episode six of the podcast series “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman,” hosted by Kevin Donovan.

www.thestar.com

'This is episode six of the podcast series “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman,” hosted by Kevin Donovan.'​

April 28 2023
''All the money in the world can’t buy happiness and the home of Honey and Barry Sherman tells that story. Honey was tough on the kids. Barry was a soft touch. Riches were doled out unevenly and there was division over each other’s lives. Then there were the four cousins who went after Barry in the courts.

This is episode six of “The Billionaire Murders: The hunt for the killers of Honey and Barry Sherman,” a “Suspicion” podcast probing the strange case of the famous Toronto couple who were found strangled in their north Toronto home in 2017. For five years, investigative reporter Kevin Donovan has covered the case for the Star, fought court battles to access documents on the police investigation and the Sherman estate, and wrote a book about it.''

That was interesting! I don't imagine the S kids will be too impressed when they listen to this one!

Is anyone keeping track of the topics and number of times KD has said 'he'll get into that later'?

 

[Charlot123]

One thing that has bothered me about the deaths, specifically Barry's, is that so many people are talking about him and it's like they're putting words in his mouth to promote their agenda. KW wants to ruin his reputation, FDA only promotes FDA, JS at the funeral acts so loving yet takes pot shots throughout the eulogy and makes sure to tell everyone that his dad wanted to give him lots of money for his businesses. MS gives a sobbing eulogy about how close she and HS were and also makes sure to tell everyone that HS was going to give her 100s of millions.

The only people I find remotely believable are JK and JU who were obviously close to Barry and are having trouble dealing with the deaths.

If BS was a logical person who thought in dollar signs, small surprise that some of his kids might have inherited the trait. It doesn’t yet make anyone a murderer. Even moral acts are explained differently; some would be alluding to religion, some (emotional ones) might say that one simply can’t cross that line, some would logically explain the low odds of successfully getting away with it. As long as it works for people, it is still morality.

 

[Charlot123]

One cannot simply transfer assets away to defeat a creditor. Also, Apotex is most certainly the entity with the liability. It wouldn’t be a direct, personal liability.

Thank you. But there might be loopholes; or sometimes, in the absence of a very specific and well-formulated ruling governing a certain process, the loopholes are created. I wonder if BS planned to deflect the portion of the payment.

 

[deugirtni]

If BS was a logical person who thought in dollar signs, small surprise that some of his kids might have inherited the trait. It doesn’t yet make anyone a murderer. Even moral acts are explained differently; some would be alluding to religion, some (emotional ones) might say that one simply can’t cross that line, some would logically explain the low odds of successfully getting away with it. As long as it works for people, it is still morality.

To me, (imo), it sounds like his kids might have inherited the exact opposite of Barry's trait. I'm not really sure what the rest of the quoted post is getting at.

 

[Lexiintoronto]

Thank you. But there might be loopholes; or sometimes, in the absence of a very specific and well-formulated ruling governing a certain process, the loopholes are created. I wonder if BS planned to deflect the portion of the payment.

After the murders Apotex liquidated some of its holdings and reached a settlement below what they were ordered to pay. I think that’s why Barry was trying hard to call in loans and cut expenses, he was about to do the same.

I think it was probably routine that despite a court ruling the negotiations would continue regarding the actual payment, and Barry wanted to be able to say here’s $____ that I can pay now if we can lower the amount.

 

[deugirtni]

Thank you. But there might be loopholes; or sometimes, in the absence of a very specific and well-formulated ruling governing a certain process, the loopholes are created. I wonder if BS planned to deflect the portion of the payment.

I think the 'payment' ($1B?) you are talking about, is the total combined of all of the outstanding lawsuits B/his company were facing... and when his son-in-law says B had no intention of paying it... I don't think he meant 'all' of them (as can be seen by B trying to gather up as much non-tied-up cash as he could in advance of his court loss where he (Apo) would have to pay reportedly some $580M(?) (which in itself is over half of that one billion)... and likely he would try to tie some of the cases up in court for years... as is pretty standard practice (imo) when it comes to business, etc.? I remember reading that JS did not like B's standard operating methods of being up and down on an alternating daily basis. After the deaths, those payments were settled. Some people couldn't live with those things/debts hanging over their heads, while others, like B, enjoyed 'gambling'... in that fashion. My personal feeling is that none of his kids 'got' him.

Brad Krawczyk, who is married to Alexandra, worked (and still does) for Sherfam, Barry’s holding company. He told detectives “Barry seemed quiet lately, but not sad despite losing a total of about a billion dollars in lawsuits in the last three months.” Brad said Barry was “maintaining that he was not going to pay them (the pharmaceutical companies that had sued over patent issues) and that they were financially stable. Everyone was told everything was fine.” Following the death of the Shermans, Apotex settled with the companies for an undisclosed amount.

As the Star has previously reported, there was a cash crunch in late 2017, and Barry was looking for ways to pay numerous settlements, including asking Jonathon to put conventional mortgages on properties Barry purchased for him, and pay Barry back between $50 million and $60 million. Those mortgages were never arranged.

Barry Sherman owed $1 billion and was not going to pay, police documents reveal

 

[Lexiintoronto]

JMO — I’ve suspected, and now KD has partially confirmed today, that JS was about to be cut off had Honey and Barry lived. Asking for less than 50% of what he had lent him was Barry offering him a lower settlement, imo.

Remember that Jonathon told KD that he didn’t see Barry asking him to repay the money as a ‘threat’? I had wondered why he used that word. I think it’s because Barry gave Jonathon and Adam an ultimatum, imo. And if Barry called in his loans their businesses would fail, similar to Steelback, in my view, and that made the front pages of the business section of the papers. Imagine if either Green Storage, Harlo or the Chandos Lake project would have faced bankruptcy and they’d have to sell off assets to pay Barry back?

Barry asked them for the return of $50-60 million in the summer of 2017. He continued to insist until the date of the murders.

What did Jonathon do?
-he promised Barry he would secure a traditional mortgage and repay him. By his own admission he did nothing and no mortgage was made
-in September, 2017 he moved $1.5 million from his holding company to build a cottage with Adam
-he started Harlo Financial just prior to the murders and provided mortgages (basically lending out the money borrowed from Barry at a high interest rate)
-he declined to meet with Barry in person as requested and instead travelled to Japan to ‘learn about and invest in cryptocurrency’, so more of Barry’s money squirrelled away
-he sent Barry the bills for his surrogacy fees
-he and Adam asked Barry for $6.2 million ‘no later than December 15th’ and another undisclosed amount by January 15th, 2018. In part they said it was to secure the mortgage and repay him—they never did

It’s just a feeling, but I think after approving that $6.2 million and other amount, Barry was either advised to not pay it or decided on his own not to pay. (Speculation.)

 

[ldlager]

I have been pondering same thing.... unless either the slate was polished so it would show footprints and such (which I doubt if they would've done that.. or if the room/floor had become dusty from lack of use (which I also can't imagine it could be THAT dusty, even if not 'cleaned' for 3 weeks or whatever).. or unless the drag marks were made of blood or something??

Looks like stamped concrete to me, not tile or slate. In any event I believe the story has been that the floor was dusty and drag marks could be seen.

 

[MerlinFalcon]

I just finished listening to KD's latest. No wonder the kids wanted to tear the house down with almost everything in it. That email from Lauren was awful but it sounds like it was just the tip of the iceberg in their home growing up. Money really does awful things to people, especially THAT much money!

KD has done a great job with this series.

 

[ldlager]

I think the 'payment' ($1B?) you are talking about, is the total combined of all of the outstanding lawsuits B/his company were facing... and when his son-in-law says B had no intention of paying it... I don't think he meant 'all' of them (as can be seen by B trying to gather up as much non-tied-up cash as he could in advance of his court loss where he (Apo) would have to pay reportedly some $580M(?) (which in itself is over half of that one billion)... and likely he would try to tie some of the cases up in court for years... as is pretty standard practice (imo) when it comes to business, etc.? I remember reading that JS did not like B's standard operating methods of being up and down on an alternating daily basis. After the deaths, those payments were settled. Some people couldn't live with those things/debts hanging over their heads, while others, like B, enjoyed 'gambling'... in that fashion. My personal feeling is that none of his kids 'got' him.

Brad Krawczyk, who is married to Alexandra, worked (and still does) for Sherfam, Barry’s holding company. He told detectives “Barry seemed quiet lately, but not sad despite losing a total of about a billion dollars in lawsuits in the last three months.” Brad said Barry was “maintaining that he was not going to pay them (the pharmaceutical companies that had sued over patent issues) and that they were financially stable. Everyone was told everything was fine.” Following the death of the Shermans, Apotex settled with the companies for an undisclosed amount.

As the Star has previously reported, there was a cash crunch in late 2017, and Barry was looking for ways to pay numerous settlements, including asking Jonathon to put conventional mortgages on properties Barry purchased for him, and pay Barry back between $50 million and $60 million. Those mortgages were never arranged.

Barry Sherman owed $1 billion and was not going to pay, police documents reveal Apo owed allot of money.

app owed a lot of $ due to the lawsuits. But these would have been appealed. Believe me, spending $30 million or whatever on a new house or having to settle a $500million lawsuit wasn’t a concern for BS. His new worth ( and ability to fund these costs ) was many times that, and Apo was profitable. Us “regular folk” have trouble imagining this much money, but no was was BS or APO in dire financial shape. I believe the request to JS and his business partner was meant to send a message To them.

 

[ldlager]

JMO — I’ve suspected, and now KD has partially confirmed today, that JS was about to be cut off had Honey and Barry lived. Asking for less than 50% of what he had lent him was Barry offering him a lower settlement, imo.

Remember that Jonathon told KD that he didn’t see Barry asking him to repay the money as a ‘threat’? I had wondered why he used that word. I think it’s because Barry gave Jonathon and Adam an ultimatum, imo. And if Barry called in his loans their businesses would fail, similar to Steelback, in my view, and that made the front pages of the business section of the papers. Imagine if either Green Storage, Harlo or the Chandos Lake project would have faced bankruptcy and they’d have to sell off assets to pay Barry back?

Barry asked them for the return of $50-60 million in the summer of 2017. He continued to insist until the date of the murders.

What did Jonathon do?
-he promised Barry he would secure a traditional mortgage and repay him. By his own admission he did nothing and no mortgage was made
-in September, 2017 he moved $1.5 million from his holding company to build a cottage with Adam
-he started Harlo Financial just prior to the murders and provided mortgages (basically lending out the money borrowed from Barry at a high interest rate)
-he declined to meet with Barry in person as requested and instead travelled to Japan to ‘learn about and invest in cryptocurrency’, so more of Barry’s money squirrelled away
-he sent Barry the bills for his surrogacy fees
-he and Adam asked Barry for $6.2 million ‘no later than December 15th’ and another undisclosed amount by January 15th, 2018. In part they said it was to secure the mortgage and repay him—they never did

It’s just a feeling, but I think after approving that $6.2 million and other amount, Barry was either advised to not pay it or decided on his own not to pay. (Speculation.)

And thus we can imagine how AP would potentially have benefitted financially from the deaths of BS and HS. After all, JS would have had access to significant funds as a result of the deaths.

 

[ldlager]

More of a question. Does anyone know how the court's ruling reads? Is BS supposed to pay off the billion? Or is it Apotec's liability? Or is the Sherman family supposed to pay the money?

Imagine if only BS was obliged to pay one billion. Could then transferring Apotec and other assets in H's name leaving himself bare help avoid payment? Or were they both equally obliged either way?

I have an intuitive feeling that B did not plan to pay off all that money and perhaps just pretended that he planned to. While it reality, he was slowly moving her assets in H's name. And if transferring property and business in H's name could then leave H free to use it the way she wanted and bequest to whoever she wanted to, then someone could feel threatened.

The Liability was Apotexes.

 

[RHR]

app owed a lot of $ due to the lawsuits. But these would have been appealed. Believe me, spending $30 million or whatever on a new house or having to settle a $500million lawsuit wasn’t a concern for BS. His new worth ( and ability to fund these costs ) was many times that, and Apo was profitable. Us “regular folk” have trouble imagining this much money, but no was was BS or APO in dire financial shape. I believe the request to JS and his business partner was meant to send a message To them.

Agree completely

 

[dotr]

Updated. rbbm.

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