Yes! And let's remember Barry asked for that money within "weeks" according to his email to JS, who later admitted he did nothing. Barry also asked AP what was happening with it in an email so he wasn't letting this go.
Very lengthy article with lots of detail.
The ''new information'' that led ''police to pursue the theory that someone — or some people — were watching Honey and Barry before the murders'', did not grab my attention previously, but it does now.
On another note, why would BS be tied so tightly at the wrists, does that suggest HS was not tied as tightly? Apparently he usually parked in the garage.
Also, wondering how the S offspring feel about BS's nephew TF, telling LE that the S's were frustrated that their kids lack a ''work ethic''
Dec. 31, 2021 rbbm.
''One year into the Barry and Honey Sherman murder investigation, a bombshell: Toronto Police believed it was possible the murderer or murderers were stalking the billionaire couple a month or more before they were killed, search warrant documents reveal.
Barry and Honey Sherman may have been under ‘surveillance’ a month before their murders, homicide detectives believe
Documents show police sought cellphone data for dozens of ‘persons of interest,’ and confirm Barry Sherman had been ‘restrained at the wrist.’www.thestar.com
But police were struggling. A Toronto judge was repeatedly denying their request to track by cellular telephone transmission the whereabouts, at the time of the murders, of 35 individuals who were “persons of interest.”
''Pathologists made the determination that Barry was restrained by both looking at red marks circling Barry’s wrists, and by autopsy, locating the pooling of blood beneath the skin, a sign that he was likely bound tightly.''
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''While this was going on, one person police had previously interviewed came forward with new information. This is described starkly in one ITO as “new information,” but the pages the Star has obtained from court are completely redacted because police say to reveal that information will harm their case.
This “new information” appears to have led police to pursue the theory that someone — or some people — were watching Honey and Barry before the murders.
By mid-2018, detectives already had the tracking data emitted by Barry’s BlackBerry and Honey’s iPhone. Now, by December 2018, they were still seeking permission to obtain the tracking data from as many as 35 other cellphones. Due, it appears, to the new information, police wanted to “parallel the tracking data from Bernard’s or Honey’s cellular phone records,” police state. “If they do parallel this could indicate that Bernard and/or Honey were followed or were under surveillance,” police wrote in their application to the court.
''While Bell and Rogers keep all data for at least a year, Telus deletes texting data after 150 days (but keeps other data for longer). Rogers, the documents show, keeps its data for 13 months and in Yim’s December application, 12 months after the murders, Yim said he feared the data “could be lost forever.” Bell keeps all of its data for three years.
Three times from June to November, Pringle was asked to approve applications for phone tracking data for these phones (cellphones “ping” off a tower and give highly accurate latitude and longitude co-ordinates of where they are located) going back in most cases one month before the murders, but in some cases several months. Each time she allowed a few, but denied most.''
''These interview statements — there are dozens in each of the ITOs — consist of people telling police their theories of who might have a grudge against the Shermans, peppered with recollections of who the Shermans were and their daily habits. How Barry was brilliant, but invested millions of dollars with people and was sometimes taken advantage of; how he worked late and liked to park in the basement garage (where he did the night he died). How Honey was a good friend to many, but did not always get along with her children, and always parked in the driveway on the right side of the house (which she did the night she died). And how, as Barry’s nephew Ted Florence told police, Barry and Honey had “some frustrations with their children because of their lack of work ethic because the children were raised in and exposed to a lot of money.”
''Yim went back to court in December with a different tactic, still seeking permission for the tracking data for about two dozen phones. Pringle had been holding him to a high standard, insisting that police provide “reasonable grounds” to believe that the tracking data would provide “evidence” of murder. Now Yim argued that all he needed to provide was “reasonable grounds to suspect data will assist in the investigation.”
''Looking at all of these applications it is clear that the police were looking for the following: proof that one or more of those 35 people were following the Shermans around for a month or more; were near Old Colony Road the night of the murders; or were communicating with the unknown suspect with the odd walk that police long believed was either the killer or a lookout for the killer.
With a few of the numbers, police also wanted access to “tracking and transmission data” six to eight weeks after the murder, just before and just after police announced the Shermans were “targeted” in a double murder. And while there is no indication in these documents that there were any wire taps of phones, one heavily redacted section is headed, “events that may stimulate conversation between involved parties.”
Interesting .....Sorry 2 in row, this one is a doozy, lol!
MANDEL: French woman claiming to be Barry Sherman's daughter says police ignoring her info
She went to court to compel Toronto Police to investigate someone she believes is a potential murder suspect.torontosun.com
''According to the decision, Chaubet claims Sherman was her father and she has “information about a suspect which the Toronto Police failed to investigate as part of an ongoing homicide investigation.”
Is there any DNA proof she is his daughter? We know Barry is the biological father of the for Sherman kids so it wouldn't be hard to prove. I bet it isn't the clue for police she's concerned with but that there will be a lawsuit coming up for part of the estate.Sorry 2 in row, this one is a doozy, lol!
MANDEL: French woman claiming to be Barry Sherman's daughter says police ignoring her info
She went to court to compel Toronto Police to investigate someone she believes is a potential murder suspect.
''According to the decision, Chaubet claims Sherman was her father and she has “information about a suspect which the Toronto Police failed to investigate as part of an ongoing homicide investigation.”
Stranger things have happened.
macleans.ca
Big spending was about to occur prior to the murders, plus the possibility of BS following through with his stated plan of signing on to Bill G's ''The Living Pledge".
If they had not died and things went according to plan, HS would have her ''own'' money, leading MS to then also have money, an over the top extravagant mansion was about to be built, Apotex was poised to expand in the US and BS planned on making ''an enormous donation to charity''.
Wondering now if it matters who died first, HS or BS?
rbbm imo, speculation.
Tyler Dawson
Unsealed estate files reveal Barry and Honey Sherman's plans for their fortune
The identity of the person who made the initial request for the records to be kept secret was also revealed in the documentsnationalpost.com
Published Jun 15, 2021
''Upon their deaths, Barry Sherman held $67 million in personal property and $1.8 million in real estate. Honey Sherman had $45.9 million in personal property and $9.5 million in real estate, the documents say. This figure covered by the estate files, though, represents a fraction of their true wealth; Forbes estimates Barry Sherman was worth around $3 billion at the time of his death.''
''Simultaneous Deaths and the Shermans’ Estates
Common disaster planning and the Estates of Barry and Honey Sherman
Where two or more people die at the same time or in circumstances where it is uncertain which of them survived the other, there are certain complications that may arise in the administration of their estates.www.wagnersidlofsky.com
In the case of the Shermans, the unknown circumstances of their deaths may lead to uncertainty with respect to how their estates, totalling a combined $5-10 billion, are to be administered. It has been reported, although as yet unconfirmed due to the court’s sealing order, that Barry had primary and secondary wills, while Honey died without a will. Apparently, Barry’s wills may have left the residue of his estate to Honey in the event he predeceased her.4 If this is true, and Barry is found to have died before Honey, complications could arise if the residue of his estate were to pass to Honey’s estate to then be distributed to her heirs pursuant to the laws of intestate succession.5 This would have the unintended effect of distributing some or all of his estate assets according to a statutory scheme rather than in accordance with his wishes.''
''Barry Sherman had big plans in the year leading up to his murder — make an enormous donation to charity, gift hundreds of millions of dollars to his wife, Honey, and expand Apotex.
Murdered billionaire Barry Sherman planned to give away or invest much of his fortune, sources say
In the year before he was murdered, Barry Sherman was working on plans to give large amounts of money to charity and his wife, Honey, who was also killed, as well as expand his company Apotex, people close to the late couple say.www.thestar.com
Those plans, described to the Star in interviews by people close to the Sherman couple, had not been acted upon at the time of their murders.''
''Barry was talking about giving Honey a substantial amount of money,” said one person close to Barry.
The Sherman friends say one complicating factor in the planned gift to Honey was Shechtman.
“It was to be Honey’s money,” said a close friend. “If she wanted to give some to Mary, fine.”
''Intriguingly it has been reported that Honey also confided that she planned to change her will just three weeks before the couple died. No will has been found for Honey and the couple were dead before they could do anything about the idea of signing up to The Giving Pledge''.
Billionaire couple found 'murdered' discussed pledging their fortune
DailyMail.com has learned that shortly before Barry and Honey Sherman's death, he spoke of signing up to The Giving Pledge, a campaign backed by Warren Buffett and the Gates.www.dailymail.co.uk
Stranger things have happened.
Never have i read anything about this before, it sounds totally whack until you think about mix ups that sometimes occur in surrogacy/IVF/artificial insemination situations etc .
Oddly reminded of theft and the term ''intellectual property'' and the perhaps perceived to be - superior, genius genes carried by BS.
Complete speculation, imo, fwiw. rbbm.
'' As a committed Darwinian, he naturally favoured the preservation of his genetic material.''How Barry Sherman built his multibillion-dollar fortune
From July 2008, our feature on the life of Canada’s generic drug kingtorontolife.com
''Court documents obtained by Maclean’s reveal the existence of a high-stakes internal investigation launched by Canada’s largest drug-maker in January 2017—and the urgent lawsuit that followed, aimed at recouping what the company describes as “highly sensitive” intellectual property of “enormous” value.''Barry Sherman’s company says fired employee stole valuable drug secrets - Macleans.ca
A lawsuit filed by Apotex months before the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman alleges the worker planned to start his own drug-making company
''Police spokesperson Stephanie Sayer said homicide is aware of Chaubet’s info.MANDEL: French woman claiming to be Barry Sherman's daughter says police ignoring her info
She went to court to compel Toronto Police to investigate someone she believes is a potential murder suspect.
“Any tip or information that has come to them in the Sherman investigation has been thoroughly investigated. As you know, the OIPRD determined that the complaint was ‘frivolous,'” she wrote in an email.
“Our thoughts, as always, are with Barry and Honey’s family and loved ones,” Sayer said. “We remain 100% committed to resolving the investigation.''
Stranger things have happened.
Never have i read anything about this before, it sounds totally whack until you think about mix ups that sometimes occur in surrogacy/IVF/artificial insemination situations etc .
Oddly reminded of theft and the term ''intellectual property'' and the perhaps perceived to be - superior, genius genes carried by BS.
Complete speculation, imo, fwiw. rbbm.
'' As a committed Darwinian, he naturally favoured the preservation of his genetic material.''How Barry Sherman built his multibillion-dollar fortune
From July 2008, our feature on the life of Canada’s generic drug king
''Court documents obtained by Maclean’s reveal the existence of a high-stakes internal investigation launched by Canada’s largest drug-maker in January 2017—and the urgent lawsuit that followed, aimed at recouping what the company describes as “highly sensitive” intellectual property of “enormous” value.''Barry Sherman’s company says fired employee stole valuable drug secrets - Macleans.ca
A lawsuit filed by Apotex months before the murders of Barry and Honey Sherman alleges the worker planned to start his own drug-making company
''Police spokesperson Stephanie Sayer said homicide is aware of Chaubet’s info.MANDEL: French woman claiming to be Barry Sherman's daughter says police ignoring her info
She went to court to compel Toronto Police to investigate someone she believes is a potential murder suspect.
“Any tip or information that has come to them in the Sherman investigation has been thoroughly investigated. As you know, the OIPRD determined that the complaint was ‘frivolous,'” she wrote in an email.
“Our thoughts, as always, are with Barry and Honey’s family and loved ones,” Sayer said. “We remain 100% committed to resolving the investigation.''
Since I found a woman, who is looking like a true sister of Alexandra, I want to know about DNA .....
IMO AP has a lots of balls to insert himself into BS affairs. Honestly what kind of person would it take to think that it’s okay or justified to want to be part of a family meeting when it’s not your own family. I just think it is a pretty bold thing to assume you deserve to be part of family discussions about finances- weird IMO
The only thing I’ve found so far that speaks to the order of death and the estate is this:
“As to instructions, the will stated that should Barry die and Honey survive for 30 days after his death, Honey would have full access to the net income of the estate.”
Investigation News Journalism | The Star
Investigative journalism projects by the Star's award-winning reporters on thestar.com.www.thestar.com
It's not so much that he has balls inserting himself into the family meeting, it's usually because JS wanted him there.
if I put myself in AP shoes though I would feel really awkward intruding into their business affairs - true JS wanted AP there but BS said no way - IMO I think it was so inappropriate and wouldn’t he feel it’s just bad manners?
I think AP is a grifter.
Even at the funeral, JS made sure to include his name in the eulogy. I feel like he is the brains behind their businesses.
Well, JS certainly believes in AP's brand of business 101 instead of the rollercoaster/russianroulette style of BS. Mainly since he appears to be lacking his own business savvy.
