Found Deceased Canada - Jessica Newman, 24, Calgary, 10 March 2015 #1 *Arrest*

[news.talk]

There could be some sort of pleasure or business dealings that the two woman would have both engaged in. I think back to the pub near Value Village (can't recall the name atm). Shannon would go there for LARP Wednesdays or something like that. It is in the NE of Calgary by Value Village IIRC. Also I think they were both into karaoke for some reason. As well Model Mayhem.

Has anyone been into the restaraunt that Jessica worked at? I have heard that it is a gathering place for the HAMC. It is a very large building. I wonder if there are any back rooms that other services are offered.

Never been there, but the website describes it as a 'steakhouse' - It isn't open late like most bars, and my guess would be that it is patronized by mainly regulars.

Sadly, Calgary has attracted many scumbags due to the economic boom, and now that there is a financial decline, the crime rate seems to have risen, although CPS would disagree.

Additionally, many young women that lack education and social supports, looking for quick money and/or fame, will take dangerous risks to achieve that success. There will always be vultures, waiting to take advantage of these women and sadly, we never know what ends of happening with them. Some are so ashamed of their choices that they continue on that road, thinking no one will ever accept them as they were. There are others that go missing and are never found... Victims of a lifestyle or circumstance that they did not choose. Very sad.

 

[news.talk]

That would break the nothing negative, pity party and saint making only rules though.

I really don't get it.... I understand that family want to locate their loved one's and in the meantime don't want to sully their reputation... but isn't it counter-productive to not publicize every single detail possible in order to find them? Do they really think that protecting the MP's reputation is conducive to the goal of finding the person alive?

I also understand the concept of protecting a case that is currently being investigated, but at what cost? I am the first person to defend LE and their need for discretion, but at what point do they admit that it is possible that by divulging the details of the victim and the circumstances behind the case, *might* actually help expedite their investigation?

Stepping off my soap-box.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

I really don't get it.... I understand that family want to locate their loved one's and in the meantime don't want to sully their reputation... but isn't it counter-productive to not publicize every single detail possible in order to find them? Do they really think that protecting the MP's reputation is conducive to the goal of finding the person alive?

I also understand the concept of protecting a case that is currently being investigated, but at what cost? I am the first person to defend LE and their need for discretion, but at what point do they admit that it is possible that by divulging the details of the victim and the circumstances behind the case, *might* actually help expedite their investigation?

Stepping off my soap-box.

One could argue the family and friends' ability for blinders and denial is precisely what leads to the choosing of wrong paths. Cheerleading and praying is not support. Sometimes, you have to get your hands dirty.

It goes both ways though... if you hear something negative, are you going to lose interest? Are you, who are out of that lifestyle loop, going to be able to add anything relevant?

What happened in the Nick Lush thread recently is a good example... perhaps the dirty secrets help to understand, but not necessarily help the results.

 

[news.talk]

One could argue the family and friends' ability for blinders and denial is precisely what leads to the choosing of wrong paths. Cheerleading and praying is not support. Sometimes, you have to get your hands dirty.

It goes both ways though... if you hear something negative, are you going to lose interest? Are you, who are out of that lifestyle loop, going to be able to add anything relevant?

What happened in the Nick Lush thread recently is a good example... perhaps the dirty secrets help to understand, but not necessarily help the results.

Do the relevant questions get removed or are they being held back? That is a crucial question.

 

[OutOfTheDarkness]

Do the relevant questions get removed or are they being held back? That is a crucial question.

Both. I've seen people shouted down for even hinting anything... and then it all disappears.

The mother in the Emma Fillipoff case is heavily involved and out there answering questions... to no avail. However, I would never discourage her efforts. I applaud them.

The "support" page is nothing greter than just that. They are all too wrapped up in themselves and how her disappearance is affecting them... and those co-grievers not directly involved just cling on and feed off it all.

 

[Krystine]

I really don't get it.... I understand that family want to locate their loved one's and in the meantime don't want to sully their reputation... but isn't it counter-productive to not publicize every single detail possible in order to find them? Do they really think that protecting the MP's reputation is conducive to the goal of finding the person alive?

I also understand the concept of protecting a case that is currently being investigated, but at what cost? I am the first person to defend LE and their need for discretion, but at what point do they admit that it is possible that by divulging the details of the victim and the circumstances behind the case, *might* actually help expedite their investigation?

Stepping off my soap-box.

I'm not implying anything about JRN, but I can't remember any full out, well publicized search with press conference coverage for any missing woman, that was NOt an 'upstanding', middle to upper class, businesswoman, etc. Stigmas are attached, perceptions abound, unless a victim comes up smelling like roses and I can only guess that public support wanes when lifestyle issues surface. Then the missing woman is in the public eye considered 'less than' and not worthy of public attention.
Sorry for overstating the obvious, can you tell I have missed you guys?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Untreated depression, unrelenting anxiety and known mental health disorders can be just as debilitating as serious addiction. Some are very practiced at covering it up, especially the socially gifted. Finding true understanding even among our loved ones is not always the reality, even in this year of "Having the Talk". Many still just want you to cheer up and smile, I would think especially if your world was small and revolved around working at a bar and grill.
It's possible that she was overwhelmed by her feelings or even tormented by her own thoughts that night and couldn't stand it another minute. I believe that was what happened to the young woman in St. John, NB that jellybean referred to.

Hard to tell if JRN was vulnerable that night and to not have called anyone, definitely possible.

I keep thinking she wouldn't want to self sabotage when she's *so close* to her life changing and if there might be a possible chance at happiness (or stress, depending how she felt about it all) by attending court the next day. I would think she was too close to the finish line to dabble with a suicidal thought, as it would be a 50/50 chance at court and she didn't know what was ahead the next day.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

The type... perhaps... but the timing of the custody hearing is so very hard to ignore... be it running from it, or being kept from it.

Yes sir I'm with you on this one! TIMING!

I like to look at the timing/timeline of events (similar to Emma Fillipoff's case) where it's like a perfect storm of circumstances, and ask myself the question what are the odds?

What are the odds that someone disappears on a certain date on a certain time, *right before* a big life event? I think in a few cases (Emma's, Jessica's as well as the Liknes' case) that with their timings, there's no such thing as random or a coincidence. What these victim's were doing the next day or in their short future seems to be possibly connected to setting a disappearance or crime in motion.

 

[news.talk]

One could argue the family and friends' ability for blinders and denial is precisely what leads to the choosing of wrong paths. Cheerleading and praying is not support. Sometimes, you have to get your hands dirty.

It goes both ways though... if you hear something negative, are you going to lose interest? Are you, who are out of that lifestyle loop, going to be able to add anything relevant?

What happened in the Nick Lush thread recently is a good example... perhaps the dirty secrets help to understand, but not necessarily help the results.

The Nick Lush thread is stalled because it is before the courts. It is expected that all avenues of information are shut down in order to obtain an indictment.

My concern is, that family and friends *think* they are being helpful by keeping crucial information from the general public. Unfortunately, it is my experience, that by keeping information that may seem benign away from the public, is actually counter-productive to the investigation as a whole. LE are unable to openly state that every single piece of seemingly insignificant detail could actually help their investigation, but for me, the family should be requesting such information, even if it is not made to LE.

Granted, I have never personally been through the ordeal of losing a loved one to obscurity, but if I was, I would be open to every possible question and suggestion made by anyone willing to come forward. Clearly, not everyone is willing to talk to LE in order to provide the insignificant information thay may crack the case open... Why then do we not see more tips made directly to the missing pages?

 

[news.talk]

Hard to tell if JRN was vulnerable that night and to not have called anyone, definitely possible.

I keep thinking she wouldn't want to self sabotage when she's *so close* to her life changing and if there might be a possible chance at happiness (or stress, depending how she felt about it all) by attending court the next day. I would think she was too close to the finish line to dabble with a suicidal thought, as it would be a 50/50 chance at court and she didn't know what was ahead the next day.

In my experience, actual court appearances are mere formalities. These decisions are made long before the court appearance. The parties know exactly what is being asked, and are simply looking for the seal on the court document to formalize it.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

In my experience, actual court appearances are mere formalities. These decisions are made long before the court appearance. The parties know exactly what is being asked, and are simply looking for the seal on the court document to formalize it.

Yes, but to someone that court date was significant, set something in motion and triggered an action. The question is who is that person? It could be Jessica, someone known to Jessica, someone in her family, someone in her ex's family, someone felt things might change somehow with that court date the timing just seems too close to me...

 

[Cherchri]

My ego keeps me warm at night, goes for walks with me, holds my hand when I'm down, and is always there without question. I never feel alone!

How big is the couch? Do you like dogs?

 

[Krystine]

Hard to tell if JRN was vulnerable that night and to not have called anyone, definitely possible.

I keep thinking she wouldn't want to self sabotage when she's *so close* to her life changing and if there might be a possible chance at happiness (or stress, depending how she felt about it all) by attending court the next day. I would think she was too close to the finish line to dabble with a suicidal thought, as it would be a 50/50 chance at court and she didn't know what was ahead the next day.

Assuming that people who are in a fragile state, can always make the choice to 'buck up'? I'm suggesting that anyone having a major depressive episode would not just be dabbling with a suicidal thought, they would be compelled to act on it.

 

[Cherchri]

I like the way you think!

 

[Krystine]

Are you giving a big dog away, Cherchri? we are down one dog

 

[Cherchri]

He perplexes me.... He *just* joined the missing page, and is suddenly posting now.

Me too! Weirdo deluxe and his timing is all over the place.

 

[Cherchri]

Amen.

Amen and hallelujah!

 

[stan laurel]

Good info!

If we look back on the investigation into the homicide leading up to the arrest, they had released that photo of the blonde that *I* suspected was an escort. There are quite a few coincidences between the two cases. The Quebec connection certainly has me intrigued. Too bad the accused has his FB friends locked up.... Will take some digging.

here's his friends list;

http://profileengine.com/people/11678897/chad.matechuk#/people/147315534/joshua.jayson.matechuk

 

[Cherchri]

Are you giving a big dog away, Cherchri? we are down one dog

I was thinking there may be room for me, big dog and small dog too

 

[LoisLane]

Self sabotage entails other coping measures besides suicide. Jessica could have retreated back to old habits or addictions to forget or pass on the approaching responsibilities. Maybe an opportunity presented itself and it was a way out so she decided at the last minute to take it. Possibly the responsibility of providing and caring for her child was extremely hard for her to comprehend and she did not want to disappoint her child or those that have supported her. Jessica may have been afraid that she could not care for her child and so instead of trying the new arrangement and instead of putting her child through the change of homes and upbringing she ran away.