Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #14

[KR72]

So AS is a victim, but his ex wife is not? And people are allowed to speculate how this woman, who has not made a public comment, is responsible for ruining both AS and BS's lives? Nor is CD's sister a victim, who's words less than a month after her sister was brutally murdered, were critiqued here? OK.

Edit - BS's mom did give a note to the media, so I stand corrected on the "did not make a comment" part.

 

[MistyWaters]

When the investigation is over, COD will be known. Period.

Mr Dyke’s COD is already known. It not released to the public because the RCMP said they are respecting the family’s wishes that it be withheld. Unless trial evidence is required to prosecute an accused, it’s not public information how every victim’s death occurred. Not in Canada.

 

[mtnstream]

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Boy oh boy, A.S. does keep talking doesn't he? Not doing himself, or his possibly deceased son, or the victims any favors. MOO, dad and mom were both absent a lot, when Bryer was growing up. The raising of Bryer fell often to his grandma (she must be devastated), possibly other relatives, and Kam's family, as he spent a lot of time with Kam growing up. It's obvious both the young men (still teens really) were left to their own devices for much of the time. As long as they 'toed the line' and engaged when necessary, their inclinations went unnoticed. So sad for all the families involved, especially the three victims, who by all accounts, were giving, loving and adventurous.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

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This is tricky stuff, I'm not sure how I feel about all this happening. Everyone grieves differently and the families are going to grieve for different reasons.

I'm not defending AS but it's obvious he's probably lonely, not making the best decisions and maybe talking to whoever will listen for self preservation perhaps. I'm not sure he should sit there and take responsibility because he happens to be the parent of a killer, no one chooses that. I did tons of stupid stuff (no crime) when young and it was no way my parents fault! It's just awful there's another level of tension in this story.

 

[scrappinkat]

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[JuneBug67]

I believe they said Winnipeg. Upthread, someone said RCMP doesn’t employ medical doctors (but pathology is a medical specialty, so...)

Does the pathologist work for RCMP or for another agency?

Provinces typically have a Chief Medical Examiners Office that is independent from law enforcement. This is the case in Manitoba.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

That’s a real eye-opener. I’d never heard of Ritalin being snorted until mention of B doing so on a prior camping trip.

Me either and I thought I was fairly street smart lol

 

[NJSleuth91]

Actually, I would think a more likely cause of death for them would be accident or exposure, or both. I'm not sure if they were ever actually in the boat and nor can I understand how they ended up where their bodies were found.

Didn't the police say there was a 6o to 80 foot cliff face, and the river was at the bottom, and Kam and Bryer were at the top of it? Am I correct in that interpretation of what they were saying? If so, my theory is that they threw a bunch of their items off the cliff on purpose to attract searchers so their bodies would be found. As for the boat I don't know if it was ever used or if it was just coincidentally located. I know the Globe and Mail reporters showed the police trying to trace their route and it was on land, not the river.

 

[Rottiluvr]

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[Esprite]

Yes, some provinces use a Coroner system, others a Medical Examiner including Manitoba (re - Office of Chief Medical Examiner)

“In some provinces, we have a Medical Examiners system and in others a Coroners system. Medical examiners must be medical doctors, but not necessarily forensic pathologists. Only the Chief and Deputy Medical Examiner are usually forensic pathologists. In Ontario, coroners are also doctors, but in the rest of Canada, coroners are lay coroners and come from many backgrounds.”
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It's highly likely in this case that the autopies were performed by a forensic pathologist given the circumstances of the deaths.

 

[MistyWaters]

I'm aware, but I'm assuming they did unless stated otherwise because it's the most likely scenario. The officer who did a TV interview the other day already dropped major hints that it was suicide.

What I watched, I thought he was only explaining the work of the Medical Examiner and gave examples of a couple of outcomes of autopsies in general. If it was a hint, that he omitted “Accidental Death” could equally telling.

Hopefully tomorrow we’ll know the answer.

 

[srper2]

I am starting to wonder if BS's dad will find himself hounded to death. Alone and homeless, losing his only son, the awful interviews from lecherous reporters, preying on his vulnerability to get anything for a cheap story. Then ridicule from the public and hurt response from victims families, I feel it will result in him also deciding his life is not worth living. I can understand how upset CD's sister must be feeling right now. BS is still only a suspect and no evidence has been provided to show otherwise. The police dragging this on and not saying "yes they did it", or, "we are continuing to look for other suspects", or "honestly we are not sure yet", while the reporters run with it like it is done and dusted is beginning to hurt an increasing number of people.
Sister of B.C. murder victim accuses Bryer Schmegelsky’s dad of failing to take responsibility

 

[scrappinkat]

So AS is a victim, but his ex wife is not? And people are allowed to speculate how this woman, who has not made a public comment, is responsible for ruining both AS and BS's lives? Nor is CD's sister a victim, who's words less than a month after her sister was brutally murdered, were critiqued here? OK.

This is all his mother has stated, I suppose it could be considered a public comment?. It’s reported she gave this letter to media and begged for them to read it.

https://www.abbynews.com/news/bryer-schmegelskys-mother-pleads-with-him-to-come-home-safe/

 

[Trooper]

It is difficult to believe they both chose, at exactly the same moment to end their lives, and then managed to achieve that ambition. Yes, Thelma and Louise did, with the aid of a soft top Chevy, but Kam and Bry?..

It is easier to believe that the one who did the killing, did so right up to the end, but then, they had to have kept some ammo and an operative weapon, dry and oiled.

It's the logistics. I just cant see them both carrying weaponry and dry ammo all this time, waiting for the last moment, where they shoot themselves together with their own carefully looked after guns.. . Hard to believe..

And drowning themselves, they have no control over where they are found, much less found together. .

Who called it as the last moment ?..

 

[mtnstream]

Didn't the police say there was a 6o to 80 foot cliff face, and the river was at the bottom, and Kam and Bryer were at the top of it? Am I correct in that interpretation of what they were saying? If so, my theory is that they threw a bunch of their items off the cliff on purpose to attract searchers so their bodies would be found. As for the boat I don't know if it was ever used or if it was just coincidentally located. I know the Globe and Mail reporters showed the police trying to trace their route and it was on land, not the river.

When they found the bodies, I remember someone saying they were in very dense bush, the kind of place no one would see or try to venture to. Maybe they were found at the base of a steep slope (cliff), where there is dense growth. I thought the bodies were together, or in close proximity. The fact they were in close proximity, means they definitely helped each other to the end. Not being sentimental, just an observation. MOO.

 

[KR72]

This is all his mother has stated, I suppose it could be considered a public comment?. It’s reported she gave this letter to media and begged for them to read it.
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https://www.abbynews.com/news/bryer-schmegelskys-mother-pleads-with-him-to-come-home-safe/

Ok, so she made a public comment about the disappearance of her son. Does that make her less of a victim in your eyes and does she deserve to be blamed for the actions of both AS and BS?

 

[srper2]

It is difficult to believe they both chose, at exactly the same moment to end their lives, and then managed to achieve that ambition. Yes, Thelma and Louise did, with the aid of a soft top Chevy, but Kam and Bry?..

It is easier to believe that the one who did the killing, did so right up to the end, but then, they had to have kept some ammo and an operative weapon, dry and oiled.

It's the logistics. I just cant see them both carrying weaponry and dry ammo all this time, waiting for the last moment, where they shoot themselves together with their own carefully looked after guns.. . Hard to believe..

And drowning themselves, they have no control over where they are found, much less found together. .

Who called it as the last moment ?..

Numerous people have hung themselves at the same time, but the trees seem to be too small and weak for that possibly?

 

[NJSleuth91]

When they found the bodies, I remember someone saying they were in very dense bush, the kind of place no one would see or try to venture to. Maybe they were found at the base of a steep slope (cliff), where there is dense growth. I thought the bodies were together, or in close proximity. The fact they were in close proximity, means they definitely helped each other to the end. Not being sentimental, just an observation. MOO.

Could they have been at the bottom of the cliff? As in jumped off of it? I'm just trying to get a picture of the terrain here. But I don't know if they've released enough details for us to have a clear picture.

 

[MistyWaters]

I believe they said Winnipeg. Upthread, someone said RCMP doesn’t employ medical doctors (but pathology is a medical specialty, so...)

Does the pathologist work for RCMP or for another agency?

No, police departments in Canada do not perform their own autopsies. The ME Office falls under provincial jurisdiction, which is why the autopsy is being performed in Winnipeg since the deaths occurred in Manitoba. But they’ll turn over the autopsy findings to B.C. RCMP because that’s who issued the arrest warrant.

Coroner - Wikipedia
“In Canada the officer responsible for investigating all unnatural and natural unexpected, unexplained, or unattended deaths goes under the title "coroner" or "medical examiner" depending on location.[11] While the title differs, however, they act in similar capacities. They do not determine civil or criminal responsibility, but instead make and offer recommendations to improve public safety and prevention of death in similar circumstances.

Coroner or Medical Examiner services are under the jurisdiction of provincial or territorial governments, generally within the public safety and security or justice portfolio. These services are headed by a Chief Coroner (or Chief Medical Examiner) and comprise coroners or medical examiners appointed by the executive council.

The provinces of Alberta,[12] Manitoba,[13] Nova Scotia[14] and Newfoundland and Labrador[15] have a Medical Examiner system, meaning that all death investigations are conducted by specialist physicians trained in Forensic Pathology, with the assistance of other medical and law enforcement personnel. All other provinces run on a coroner system. In Prince Edward Island, and Ontario, all coroners are, by law, physicians. In the other provinces and territories with a coroner system, namely British Columbia, Saskatchewan, Quebec, New Brunswick, Northwest Territories, Nunavut, and Yukon, coroners are not necessarily physicians but generally have legal, medical, or investigative backgrounds....”

 

[mtnstream]

It is difficult to believe they both chose, at exactly the same moment to end their lives, and then managed to achieve that ambition. Yes, Thelma and Louise did, with the aid of a soft top Chevy, but Kam and Bry?..

It is easier to believe that the one who did the killing, did so right up to the end, but then, they had to have kept some ammo and an operative weapon, dry and oiled.

It's the logistics. I just cant see them both carrying weaponry and dry ammo all this time, waiting for the last moment, where they shoot themselves together with their own carefully looked after guns.. . Hard to believe..

And drowning themselves, they have no control over where they are found, much less found together. .

Who called it as the last moment ?..

I agree about firearms, unless they had a tiny pistol, dry, with ammunition in it. The million dollar question isn't it?