Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #20

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Could be. I feel like it probably was actually Kam's though. It just seems like the type of shirt he would own based on what we know about him.

My point is that it is claimed KM wears the shirt because he is a psycho killer (or whatever the explanation) but CD also wore a shirt straight out of horror fiction but we wouldn’t summarize her the same way.
 
My point is that it is claimed KM wears the shirt because he is a psycho killer (or whatever the explanation) but CD also wore a shirt straight out of horror fiction but we wouldn’t summarize her the same way.

That's not what I was saying at all. I was wondering if he chose to wear that particular shirt while on the run from the law because he realized the message on it could be used as a metaphor to describe him at that time.

It probably was just a coincidence though. But a very weird one, if it was.

Obviously I don't think wearing a shirt, listening to a band, playing a video game, or any other pop culture signifier makes someone a "psycho killer." I mean, I listen to death metal sometimes, and I certainly haven't done any of the things described in those songs....The only thing that makes someone a psycho killer, is killing people.
 
Definitely harsh... I imagine so many of those workers suffer PTSD after.

Spare a moment for our cops.
We have a few friends who are retired cops suffering from PTSD, their wives and children know all about it because they live through it as well. They don’t talk about it to us as they don’t want us to suffer from anything. All they say is we’ve seen things no human being should see.

God love our cops.
I’ve thanked random cops for their service and they are truly grateful.
 
It was up for auction before it ended up at the farm. Not sure if it was the farm owner who bought it at auction. IIRC it was another worker from the farm but left it behind because it didn’t work.

so this reply is off the topic you were talking about, but that pic is important. in that pic that is a manual tansmission gear shift, the van we have looked at that was auctioned says auto.
1986 CHEV BONAVENTURE VAN
we have done a lot of looking at the van and what we thought we knew may not be accurate.

How can it be the same van if the van for auction was auto and LF's was manual?

I also noticed a further difference: The license plates on the vans are different. It would obviously be possible to change them, but is it customary for very old used vehicles sold at auction in Canada to have the plates removed?

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It might be as simple as they stopped and muscled Lucas for some money or weed as they thought they were sitting ducks broken down.
Lucas muscled back and ooops a gun was drawn.

Dammit this is rotten to the core. No one should be gunned down like that.
 
How can it be the same van if the van for auction was auto and LF's was manual?

I also noticed a further difference: The license plates on the vans are different. It would obviously be possible to change them, but is it customary for very old used vehicles sold at auction in Canada to have the plates removed?

Link for first image provided in #844
interior colors are different too. notice in the auction photo the seats are blue vinyl and the pic where the gear shift can be seen they are cloth and the door panels are cloth and different color.
 
Maybe, probably... can't find the article after looking. I'm probably confused but will keep looking in my spare time.

It could've been a caption under a photo in article. Always have to read the captions under photos, I find there's sometimes good info there not mentioned in the articles!
I thought I read that too... that they could not manually (on foot) remove the bodies from the location they were found.
 
@NJSleuth91 I remember that Twitter clip on the river too! I do recall it was also used in a news article and then something similar in that video we shared on here a couple times where they do the interview with the Mayor of Gillam. According to their map, Kam and Bryer were found on the North side of the river just Southeast if that weird circular road that looks like something from "Pet Sematary." I also had that memory of the retrieval team having to airlift their bodies out but I'm fairly certain they were retrieved by boat. That doesn't discount your theory about Kam and Bryer throwing their things off a cliff's edge. They could have also carried the boy's bodies down river a bit to a spot where the bank isn't so steep and loaded them on a boat. If you look on Google Satellite images of that area you can see the high cliff faces where they found the boy's bodies and what appears to be a flat area, almost like a high plateau sandwiched in between the cliff faces. It seems they chose that as the spot to end it, high up, overlooking the river. I'm with you on the NSFL decomposition thing too. Like I'm still haunted thinking about what they looked like when they found them. I do hope it wasn't too nightmare fuel inducing and they were still mostly recognizable.


 
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I’m curious as to whether or not the teens had applied for a valid hunting licence for big and/or small game together with the relevant Permit Hunt Authorizations and seals for those animals.

They also needed to provide hunter education certification if they didn’t have a licence last year as you can't use or possess another person’s hunting licence, seals or permits, or let another person use yours.

Get a Yukon hunting licence | Government of Yukon

These are all things that can easily be checked. It would be interesting to know if RCMP has looked into this because if hunting wasn’t on their agenda, it begs the question why were they carrying firearms.
 
Sure, but he got his experience in cattle ranching on AU cattle stations, some of the biggest in the world, and some of the remotest . Most are the size of Wales , at the very least. Rough places, and some of the most unforgiving terrain in all the world.

There are some places in Brazil, equally grim. ..He worked 2 stations there, for nearly 14 months.
He was not inexperienced in the slightest degree.. In fact, BC would have been a doddle in comparison... so green!, water !.. grass!.... grass by the roadside!...

SBM

Thanks @Trooper for this insight into Lucas and his previous experience working on cattle ranches in AU and around the world.

According to the Canadian press he had no ranch experience at all.

Quoted from Star Vancouver Aug 18, 2019

"Erika and Christoph Weder got an email from Fowler in January, responding to their ad asking for help. He had just been awarded a two-year working visa for Canada and was staying in a Calgary hostel while looking for jobs.

Even though he didn’t have any ranch experience, the couple decided to take a chance and hire Fowler. He’d done a mechanical apprenticeship in Australia and they thought he could be handy at fixing things.

So Fowler showed up to the wilderness ranch with a backpack and no winter clothes or boots. The lack of preparation didn’t faze the Weders, who had extra gear to spare and were familiar with the backpacking lifestyle."


This was a great article IMO but it now appears maybe it was not accurate information?
 
While doing some housekeeping on my PC I found something I’d forgotten about:

A man has come forward with bombshell claims two Canadian teen murder suspects legally purchased a hunting rifle from a local gun store before setting off on their road trip to hell.

Now it has emerged the teens may have bought at least one of their weapons over the counter at a gun shop in their home town of Port Alberni — days before the killing spree began.

A local resident has told the Alberni Valley News he was on his way home when he called in at the local gun shop to find the teens in deep consultation with an employee.

“I watched as the clerk shared his expertise and advised on the best cartridges to use, matched A hunting rifle to their budgets and made the sale,” he told the paper.

He did not specify the date but said it was before Schmegelsky and McLeod left town.

The man, who was not named, said he had shared the information with the RCMP.

New witness in teen murder spree case

Two firearms were found beside their bodies.

I don’t think it's unreasonable to assume that Kam already owned a hunting rifle and probably had the necessary hunter education certification. If murder and/or suicide was on their minds, he’d hardly worry about giving one illegally to BS.
 
BC Coroners’ Office spokesman, Andy Watson, said it’s too soon to say if a coroners’ inquest will be called. Such an inquest, he said, would be held if the chief coroner decides it would be beneficial for issues such as addressing community concern, or helping find information about the deceased or the circumstances of a death.

RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

I really hope there will be an inquest but how much information would be released is anybody’s guess. This is not the US where everything would be disclosed. I'm mainly interested in knowing the circumstances of their deaths, not the grisly details.
 
According to their map, Kam and Bryer were found on the North side of the river just Southeast if that weird circular road that looks like something from "Pet Sematary." I also had that memory of the retrieval team having to airlift their bodies out but I'm fairly certain they were retrieved by boat. That doesn't discount your theory about Kam and Bryer throwing their things off a cliff's edge. They could have also carried the boy's bodies down river a bit to a spot where the bank isn't so steep and loaded them on a boat. If you look on Google Satellite images of that area you can see the high cliff faces where they found the boy's bodies and what appears to be a flat area, almost like a high plateau sandwiched in between the cliff faces. It seems they chose that as the spot to end it, high up, overlooking the river.

SBM

Yeah that's the impression I got of what the terrain was from what was reported in articles, but I wasn't sure. So if they were on top of a cliff, does that mean they weren't really in a boggy/muskeg terrain? Also, you're saying they were close to a road? And they chose that plateau area on purpose, maybe, either so that they would be spotted, or to have a final view to look out on, or something?

Also I wonder if the police saying they were positive they weren't a threat a couple of days before the bodies were found, is maybe because they saw the bodies at the top of the cliff, but it took them a while to get up there and access them and confirm it was them.

While doing some housekeeping on my PC I found something I’d forgotten about:

A man has come forward with bombshell claims two Canadian teen murder suspects legally purchased a hunting rifle from a local gun store before setting off on their road trip to hell.

Now it has emerged the teens may have bought at least one of their weapons over the counter at a gun shop in their home town of Port Alberni — days before the killing spree began.

A local resident has told the Alberni Valley News he was on his way home when he called in at the local gun shop to find the teens in deep consultation with an employee.

“I watched as the clerk shared his expertise and advised on the best cartridges to use, matched A hunting rifle to their budgets and made the sale,” he told the paper.

He did not specify the date but said it was before Schmegelsky and McLeod left town.

The man, who was not named, said he had shared the information with the RCMP.

New witness in teen murder spree case

Two firearms were found beside their bodies.

I don’t think it's unreasonable to assume that Kam already owned a hunting rifle and probably had the necessary hunter education certification. If murder and/or suicide was on their minds, he’d hardly worry about giving one illegally to BS.

I could see this being possible. He probably would have remembered them because of how tall they were.

BC Coroners’ Office spokesman, Andy Watson, said it’s too soon to say if a coroners’ inquest will be called. Such an inquest, he said, would be held if the chief coroner decides it would be beneficial for issues such as addressing community concern, or helping find information about the deceased or the circumstances of a death.

RCMP send search specialists to scour area where bodies of B.C. homicide suspects were found

I really hope there will be an inquest but how much information would be released is anybody’s guess. This is not the US where everything would be disclosed. I'm mainly interested in knowing the circumstances of their deaths, not the grisly details.

I hope the police say what the "items" were that were found, as mentioned in that article.
 
A co-worker recalled KM was nice enough, but said he seemed uncomfortable in close contact with people, other than BS, at work. “Usually, people are shy, but the whole not-standing-next-to-you or getting-close-to-you? That’s the odd part,” she said.

KM was brought up a “laker,” on five acres across from Sproat Lake, where his tight-knit family saved up enough to build their dream house on a wooded lot. A former classmate at the local alternative school, described KM as calm and likeable. “Whenever you’d talk to him, you’d kind of get sucked into conversation and you’d almost feel at home speaking to him” he said.

An online friend in the gaming community said he jokingly told BS, “Don’t start killing people,” to which BS replied, “I would never do that”.

Searching for answers: Sense of unease lingers in B.C.’s isolated north as police hunt suspects in remote killings

I doubt we'll ever know why this happened and it will drive everyone crazy.
 
Trudy Crowder‏ @trudy_crowder
Replying to @MikePHager

What is a technical briefing?

Where officials brief reporters in private before a news conference so that a complicated issue can be unpacked with the help of bureaucrats or technical experts speaking on background. Happens all the time for gov't budgets or independent reviews. Not seen it by police tho.

Technical briefing starts at 1 p.m. then public news conference begins at 2:15p.m., at which point embargo ends on info divulged in the previous 75 minutes.

Mike Hager (@MikePHager) | Twitter
 
Trudy Crowder‏ @trudy_crowder
Replying to @MikePHager
What is a technical briefing?
Where officials brief reporters in private before a news conference so that a complicated issue can be unpacked with the help of bureaucrats or technical experts speaking on background. Happens all the time for gov't budgets or independent reviews. Not seen it by police tho.
Technical briefing starts at 1 p.m. then public news conference begins at 2:15p.m., at which point embargo ends on info divulged in the previous 75 minutes.
Mike Hager (@MikePHager) | Twitter

Assuming then, the briefing is at rcmp in Surrey BC, 2:15pm will be Pacific time?
Also, if the info embargo ends at that point, we should soon expect a flurry of media reports.
Does that imply witnesses in the investigation will also be free to speak?
Reporters won't be shy of chasing interviews, perhaps we'll get to see the full picture yet.
 
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