Canada - Lucas Fowler, Chynna Deese, and Leonard Dyck, all murdered, Alaska Hwy, BC, Jul 2019 #21

[MistyWaters]

Does any kind soul have a link to the RCMP report?I am pages behind here and I had it book marked and none of them are the right one.I remember it had Report on it.TIA

I have only ever noticed the “Overview” from the BC RCMP website.

RCMP in British Columbia - Overview of Fort Nelson and Dease Lake Homicide Investigation

 

[NJSleuth91]

So actually it says right in the report: "On July 23, 2019, an autopsy was conducted on Leonard Dyck. The preliminary findings showed a single gunshot wound was the cause of the death."

 

[MistyWaters]

Is it possible that K and B came up on the van of L and C not realizing anyone was inside? They were maybe wanting to loot it or use it for target practice? Then were surprised when Lucas and Chynna came out?

There seems to have been quite the escalation in violence from the L and C crime scene to the LD one, in the sense that, from what the coroner’s report indicates, L and C were shot multiple times whereas there was blunt force trauma and burn marks on LD. Plus the fact that LD’s family have requested his cause of death not be released. The multiple shots fired at L and C makes me think K and B were stunned when two people emerged from the van, so just started shooting them. Their subsequent trip to the Yukon gave them time to discuss what had happened and create a plan for the next encounter. I believe K and B were taken by surprise by having to face two targets as they seemed to enjoy the idea of a 2 against one situation better. Hence, the encounter with the one man in Haines Junction and then LD. MOO.

I also believe we will discover more about KM’s background over time. I find it hard to believe there were no signs that he had issues leading up to this horrendous event.

I’d question that B&K were stunned when two people emerged from the van so just started shooting them because why would B&K approach the van armed with guns if they believed the van was unoccupied? Both SKS semi-automatic guns were involved in the shooting of L&C, according to police. High likelihood each of the two were prepared to murder as each were armed with a weapon. JMO

 

[Kubirai]

Trying to reconcile coroner concluding Prof. Dyck's "body" was moved from an unknown location.

But same coroner turned the body over and found the entry point of a bullet that supposedly killed him. The shell was found nearby, buried in the soil.

 

[Chingaling]

I have only ever noticed the “Overview” from the BC RCMP website. Thank you so much

RCMP in British Columbia - Overview of Fort Nelson and Dease Lake Homicide Investigation

 

[MistyWaters]

Why would they? They were going to be dead in a week anyway....



So in the report it says "On July 20, 2019, police started processing the Dease Lake crime scene. Initially there was no obvious cause of death but upon the arrival of the coroner later that day the body was moved and a believed to be single entry/exit wound for a bullet was located."

To me that indicates that the gunshot was what killed him and the other injuries were non-life-threatening.

I'm not sure if forensics could determine whether the burn marks were pre- or post-mortem, ie. were they trying to burn his body to hide the evidence like they did with their truck, but weren't able to? (And I'm not about to Google "how difficult is it to burn a corpse"...not trying to be on a watchlist here!)

Anyone have any ideas on why the police charged it as second degree murder? I think that caused a lot of the confusion about this case.

Also as for why they took the car: a) because of the failed killing on the 17th where their truck was spotted, b) I think they actually were having vehicle troubles.

I think it’d be very difficult for the Crown to prove the element of premeditation when the murder victim is a stranger.

Police indicated they believed the murders to be a Crime of Opportunity. Second degree murder involves Intent but not Premeditation.

 

[NJSleuth91]

I think it’d be very difficult for the Crown to prove the element of premeditation when the murder victim is a stranger.

Police indicated they believed the murders to be a Crime of Opportunity. Second degree murder involved Intent but not Premeditation.

Premeditated murder can be committed against a stranger. It's first-degree murder if someone sets out intending to kill someone, but is not particular as to who it will be.

 

[NJSleuth91]

It also says in the report that the police knew by July 24th that the same firearms were used in both murder scenes. So that makes it extra confusing that Kam and Bryer were never charged for Lucas and Chynna's murders, and that the murder charge for Professor Dyck wasn't upgraded to first-degree. I do think the police secrecy was the main contributing factor to the conspiracy theories and so on. It makes me appreciate the way things are handled in the US.

From the report: "On July 24, 2019, the firearms lab provided preliminary findings to the investigators. There were two firearms used in the Fort Nelson homicide, both of 7.62 x 39 mm calibre. One of the guns used in Fort Nelson was used in the Dease Lake homicide."

 

[musicaljoke]

I had a similar thought. I didnt understand why they thought they were trapped. If they got there, why couldn't they turn around and go back out the same way?

They probably found a bit of sanctuary from the insects if they stayed close to the water. There may have been a breeze along the river to keep away the army of biting insects.

 

[Kubirai]

It also says in the report that the police knew by July 24th that the same firearms were used in both murder scenes. So that makes it extra confusing that Kam and Bryer were never charged for Lucas and Chynna's murders, and that the murder charge for Professor Dyck wasn't upgraded to first-degree. I do think the police secrecy was the main contributing factor to the conspiracy theories and so on. It makes me appreciate the way things are handled in the US.

From the report: "On July 24, 2019, the firearms lab provided preliminary findings to the investigators. There were two firearms used in the Fort Nelson homicide, both of 7.62 x 39 mm calibre. One of the guns used in Fort Nelson was used in the Dease Lake homicide."

They may not have known who owned those firearms. Nanaimo Cabela knew a SKS and 20 bullets were sold to KM, but they may not have provided that information to RCMP voluntarily.

 

[musicaljoke]

It also says in the report that the police knew by July 24th that the same firearms were used in both murder scenes. So that makes it extra confusing that Kam and Bryer were never charged for Lucas and Chynna's murders, and that the murder charge for Professor Dyck wasn't upgraded to first-degree.

The second degree murder charge was laid quickly only to permit a Canada wide manhunt. Had the suspects been arrested, the charges could have been changed to first degree. And there was never any rush to lay charges for the two other murders. I'm not bothered at all that time and money wasn't committed to laying charges unnecessarily.

 

[sandbar]

I still wonder why the Cold Lake sighting wasn't included. It was a direct route to Meadowlake and there was nothing indicating the witness was not credible. Considering they included a sighting where the witness didn't get the colour of the truck and waited four days to report it.

Didn't RCMP say the list of sightings was verified by surveillance footage?

 

[MistyWaters]

Premeditated murder can be committed against a stranger. It's first-degree murder if someone sets out intending to kill someone, but is not particular as to who it will be.

I think this is more common in the United States where translation of statutes is far more liberal including premeditation only requires a short amount of preplanning. It’s different in Canada and you will find online many similar examples of 2nd degree convictions of strangers murdered involving robbery as well. I’m not defending our laws, that’s just how it is. Regardless, the maximum sentence of 2nd degree murder is 25 years before parole and 1st degree is automatic “life” prior to parole. As a life sentence is defined at max 25 years, there’s no difference with maximum 2nd degree sentencing since the death penalty is never a consideration here. It only recently that Canada has began consecutive sentencing for multiple murders, as opposed to concurrent.

 

[Chingaling]

Jesus I read the report and i know nothing of Canada but the many places and the miles driven just wow.They were on a spree and thousand wonders only killed 3.Unbelievable

 

[sandbar]

dbm, decided to ignore...

 

[Chingaling]

So actually it says right in the report: "On July 23, 2019, an autopsy was conducted on Leonard Dyck. The preliminary findings showed a single gunshot wound was the cause of the death."

And don't ya just love how they say they are not going to release cause of death and then go on to say that he was beaten about the head with bruising and burns and then killed by gunshot.WTH is up with that

 

[Runningforthewind]

Anyone have any ideas on why the police charged it as second degree murder? I think that caused a lot of the confusion about this case.

At the time they likely didn't know for sure that this killing spree was planned so they couldn't prove that they plotted to kill Leonard versus just running into him on the side of the road, and decided to kill him right then and there.

 

[Chingaling]

i got a question for those who have a better grasp of the facts:Had they already killed LD before the store video where they were just walking around and left the store.

 

[MistyWaters]

And don't ya just love how they say they are not going to release cause of death and then go on to say that he was beaten about the head with bruising and burns and then killed by gunshot.WTH is up with that

I don’t think police released the full details. Notice how this is worded - “including” is not synonymous with “consisting of”.

This is enough detail to stifle earlier public speculation that the Professor might’ve been killed accidentally. The Professor was viciously and violently murdered by B&K. I think the RCMP released enough information to make that fact clearly understood.

“The deceased suffered injuries to his head and body, including bruises and burn marks.”

 

[Chingaling]

I don’t think police released the full details. Notice how this is worded - “including” is not synonymous with “consisting of”.

“The deceased suffered injuries to his head and body, including bruises and burn marks.”

All concluded from autopsy