Found Deceased Canada - Shannon Burgess, 25, Calgary, 26 Nov 2014 - #2 *Arrest*

[stan laurel]

I sometimes think that it was a marriage of convenience but one of the party fell in love while the other was oblivious; to get in a co-op or similar wait-list rental it always looks better if you are part of a couple, this also helps on the tax front and for getting loans and such. but then it falls back on who is suckling the most.

another thing at play is, the youth of today are far more sexually liberated than most might think, and 25 is the youth of today. if one of the liberal partnership is going multiple and the other is getting attached, this can create a little powder keg. some used to call it having a pea on the side, older terms a mistress,, but as times have changed the open marriage pusher here might have been sb and the pea on the side was jb in their home. it would explain a lot about him not knowing whether she was there or not there or gone for a month, a week or a day,, things had become very, very open. when she came home from the trip to edm, did she bring in a friend for "a coffee" and they left an hour before she did?

 

[Micheline]

In my humble opinion, that time is already passed. I can't see how someone who is apparently close with her family and hasn't ever done this before, could disappear on her own accord and torment her family like this with no contact in the days leading up to Christmas. I would sure be mighty pi**ed if someone I loved did that and then contacted family on Christmas day. As much as it would be great to know the person was alive and well, it would be difficult to come to terms with how someone could do that to her loved ones. Therefore, I can't help feeling the likelihood of foul play of some kind is already a given. MOO

BBM

How is the relationship with her family? I know there are pictures of her sister marriage, how about the marriage of Shannon, did her family attend were they invited? This was just a couple of months ago, someone who is close with her family and friends would want them there.
I cannot find a single picture of the marriage of Shannon and JB. Also no likes or reactions of her family on her FB post that she is going to get married.

Also the picture where she presents her new dog back in 2013, not a single reaction from her family. No problem, but apparently so close, I don't think so.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

He was jealous and possessive that she was in Edmonton with friends, that she had a small opportunity with only long term possibilities? If he had a possessive tendency like that, why didn't he follow her to Edmonton ... find out what she was up to? Isn't that what possessive, jealous husbands do? They don't just snap out of the blue ... first the stalking, and information from everyone that the husband was possessive and controlling ... after two years of being together. That doesn't sound plausible to me, but maybe that happened: jealous crazed husband goes mad while his estranged wife auditions for an acting job in Edmonton.

We have no idea what went on behind closed doors, and there's different forms and ranges of jealousy. Possessiveness can be shown in neediness, being clinging, secret stalking a person (logging into their emails/FB) and a person feeling like they can't live without the other if they're co-dependent on that person. This is something a spouse might have had subtly or non-subtly all along, but it only really takes full effect when someone leaves or abandons them (hence, a snap so to speak).

He might not have been or shown signs of a text book raging, jealous husband and I'm not saying this is what it is. I'm just contributing ideas to what may have occurred if he was involved. Or, maybe he's a nice guy and nurturing and supportive of her. She might've been the alpha in the relationship and he, putty in her hands. He might not be involved at all.

We don't know their dynamics yet, maybe something will come out about their relationship.

 

[LoisLane]

Maybe the expenses were small until the weekend in Edmonton, with so many friends, and the broken brakes at 2AM (that suggests closing the bar), the gas for a 600km drive ... and perhaps no realistic promise of repayment. Maybe this isn't the first month with a problem? It is possible to cancel a credit card when there are big expenses, but most people would overlook the small ones.

Either way, it's fairly certain in my mind that the brakes broke in Edmonton late Tuesday evening after arriving in Edmonton. There's no question in my mind that they had to be repaired before she could drive home. That certainly raises the question of whether there was tampering to her brakes ... given that she made a 300km drive that day. That would be a bad time to have brake trouble ... flying down the highway at 120-160 km/hr.

It also raises the question of how is Shannon supporting herself ... from gig to gig? Was that enough? What kind of car did she drive?

Where are you getting the 2AM time from?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I sometimes think that it was a marriage of convenience but one of the party fell in love while the other was oblivious; to get in a co-op or similar wait-list rental it always looks better if you are part of a couple, this also helps on the tax front and for getting loans and such. but then it falls back on who is suckling the most.

another thing at play is, the youth of today are far more sexually liberated than most might think, and 25 is the youth of today. if one of the liberal partnership is going multiple and the other is getting attached, this can create a little powder keg. some used to call it having a pea on the side, older terms a mistress,, but as times have changed the open marriage pusher here might have been sb and the pea on the side was jb in their home. it would explain a lot about him not knowing whether she was there or not there or gone for a month, a week or a day,, things had become very, very open. when she came home from the trip to edm, did she bring in a friend for "a coffee" and they left an hour before she did?

Yes, I've hung out with some people in that general age group and they're a lot more open minded that's for sure, well not all - but some of course. Swinging, swapping, videotaping, provocative photo texting, and the 'P word' is prevalent. I'm not even *that* much older, but the attitude and respect level seems quite different. I feel so old and conservative sometimes lol!

If Shannon was as free spirited as I think she might be, she probably had quite a social life regardless if romances might've been involved. She seems like the type to have lots of male friends both platonic and admirers I would think. She might be overly friendly to men and women and some women have a flirtyness and charm when interacting with both sexes. JB might've had a problem if she's like that.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Has anyone here actually had their brakes on their car go? Like *really* go suddenly? I'm curious about SB's post. I interpreted it as her brakes just suddenly didn't work at all. Usually your brakes squeak don't they when they're getting low? Maybe I'm reading too much into this. Probably am as usual...

 

[news.talk]

Has anyone here actually had their brakes on their car go? Like *really* go suddenly? I'm curious about SB's post. I interpreted it as her brakes just suddenly didn't work at all. Usually your brakes squeak don't they when they're getting low? Maybe I'm reading too much into this. Probably am as usual...

It also may have taken some time for her to get them fixed. Maybe she was busy, shop was busy or didn't have the funds, but perhaps that is partially why her car was still at the home - That is why I am wondering if she had alternate transportation to Edmonton.

 

[otto]

We do not know for certain that SB even took her car too Edmonton. Maybe a friend drove, maybe it was her husband?

We also do not know for certain that she didn't go to Edmonton as a day trip. There are so many possible variables.

Let's suppose that Shannon went to Edmonton with a friend. It's fairly certain that she arrived on Tuesday evening given everything she had to do, plus the drive, and she was texting about a broken car at 2AM. Did she suddenly discover that the brakes were damaged, or did she discover that there was a problem with her brakes and she waited until two o'clock in the morning on Wednesday to say something ... it's unlikely that she drove to Edmonton the following morning - with a friend - auditioned, got the part, had lots of friends "hanging out" with her, after she arrived home at 9:00-915PM Wednesday ... only to completely vanish four and a half hours later, shortly after midnight.

I think it's safe to assume that she was in Edmonton at 2AM early Wednesday morning, that she texted about the brakes when she discovered them, and that they had to be repaired before she could go home ... 300 km away.

 

[Micheline]

Has anyone here actually had their brakes on their car go? Like *really* go suddenly? I'm curious about SB's post. I interpreted it as her brakes just suddenly didn't work at all. Usually your brakes squeak don't they when they're getting low? Maybe I'm reading too much into this. Probably am as usual...

No impossible. This is a slow process, she would have known for weeks that her breaks would work not so effectively.
Only when the breaks lines are cut they would suddenly stop working, and she would notice right away.

ETA maybe she took her car to the garage for a general check and was told her brakes-pads needed renewal, which cost maybe $100, or maybe she has a dashboard indicator and found out that way that she needed new break-pads. It is nothing huge, not expensive and can be repaired fast.

 

[otto]

I sometimes think that it was a marriage of convenience but one of the party fell in love while the other was oblivious; to get in a co-op or similar wait-list rental it always looks better if you are part of a couple, this also helps on the tax front and for getting loans and such. but then it falls back on who is suckling the most.

another thing at play is, the youth of today are far more sexually liberated than most might think, and 25 is the youth of today. if one of the liberal partnership is going multiple and the other is getting attached, this can create a little powder keg. some used to call it having a pea on the side, older terms a mistress,, but as times have changed the open marriage pusher here might have been sb and the pea on the side was jb in their home. it would explain a lot about him not knowing whether she was there or not there or gone for a month, a week or a day,, things had become very, very open. when she came home from the trip to edm, did she bring in a friend for "a coffee" and they left an hour before she did?

Good point. Maybe they got married in May to get into the house coop. Tax breaks include nice tax deductions for dependants.

 

[stan laurel]

Has anyone here actually had their brakes on their car go? Like *really* go suddenly? I'm curious about SB's post. I interpreted it as her brakes just suddenly didn't work at all. Usually your brakes squeak don't they when they're getting low? Maybe I'm reading too much into this. Probably am as usual...

nope, no and never,, it's really hard to not notice your brakes getting thin and it's not like she would have had a car that was on the heavy side like years ago. when your brakes are going they chug-g-g-ger. are you suggesting that her fluids were tampered with?

 

[otto]

BBM

How is the relationship with her family? I know there are pictures of her sister marriage, how about the marriage of Shannon, did her family attend were they invited? This was just a couple of months ago, someone who is close with her family and friends would want them there.
I cannot find a single picture of the marriage of Shannon and JB. Also no likes or reactions of her family on her FB post that she is going to get married.

Also the picture where she presents her new dog back in 2013, not a single reaction from her family. No problem, but apparently so close, I don't think so.

Perhaps they were dressed in their outfits of green and red (from the game) in their civil wedding pictures?

 

[dotr]

For all we know, JB may have last seen S at home at 12.30, but then maybe he left for somewhere.
It was stated that he tried to contact S, but could not, maybe he was trying to call her at the house phone.

If Shannon was the one at home and her keys and wallet were missing, but not her phone- maybe she stepped out to a neighbour's or car for an exchange of some kind...a tape, a script ect..

 

[otto]

Where are you getting the 2AM time from?

deugirtni posted it on the last thread ... still waiting for confirmation, but I do remember reading it.

 

[news.talk]

Let's suppose that Shannon went to Edmonton with a friend. It's fairly certain that she arrived on Tuesday evening given everything she had to do, plus the drive, and she was texting about a broken car at 2AM. Did she suddenly discover that the brakes were damaged, or did she discover that there was a problem with her brakes and she waited until two o'clock in the morning on Wednesday to say something ... it's unlikely that she drove to Edmonton the following morning - with a friend - auditioned, got the part, had lots of friends "hanging out" with her, after she arrived home at 9:00-915PM Wednesday ... only to completely vanish four and a half hours later, shortly after midnight.

I think it's safe to assume that she was in Edmonton at 2AM early Wednesday morning, that she texted about the brakes when she discovered them, and that they had to be repaired before she could go home ... 300 km away.

Not everyone keeps day hours. She works in the entertainment industry... She very well could have discovered her brakes at that time.

Wen also have no way of knowing if she actually made those posts on FB.

The fact is - We do not not know this aspect of the timeline.

 

[otto]

Has anyone here actually had their brakes on their car go? Like *really* go suddenly? I'm curious about SB's post. I interpreted it as her brakes just suddenly didn't work at all. Usually your brakes squeak don't they when they're getting low? Maybe I'm reading too much into this. Probably am as usual...

I have, but fortunately I figured it out when I was still going slow. If there's air in the line, or a rusted/broken line, brakes don't work. If the line was rusted, it could have been slowly developing ... that could happen if it was an older car that was parked outside, or on salted roads, most of the time. Squeaking brakes means new discs/shoes, but why would she drive to Edmonton if she knew that her brakes were about to give out?

I do believe that she was in Edmonton when she discovered the problem ... especially if the post on the last thread is accurate. Several people seem to access facebook ... perhaps one of those people could double check the time of the comment.

 

[otto]

It also may have taken some time for her to get them fixed. Maybe she was busy, shop was busy or didn't have the funds, but perhaps that is partially why her car was still at the home - That is why I am wondering if she had alternate transportation to Edmonton.

When did she post about the brakes being shot?

 

[otto]

For all we know, JB may have last seen S at home at 12.30, but then maybe he left for somewhere.
It was stated that he tried to contact S, but could not, maybe he was trying to call her at the house phone.

If Shannon was the one at home and her keys and wallet were missing, but not her phone- maybe she stepped out to a neighbour's or car for an exchange of some kind...a tape, a script ect..

During the press conference, the sister said "she left". That suggests to me that the husband said that "she left". We know that the husband said that he last saw her at 12:30AM. Presumably after that time, she left ... according to the only eye-witness: the husband.

Shannon's phone and car are at home. If she had brake trouble in Edmonton, then the brakes are repaired and she would have no reason to go out at 12:30AM without her car and without her cell phone.

Exactly when did she post on Facebook that there were problems with her brakes?

 

[news.talk]

During the press conference, the sister said "she left". That suggests to me that the husband said that "she left". We know that the husband said that he last saw her at 12:30AM. Presumably after that time, she left ... according to the only eye-witness: the husband.

Shannon's phone and car are at home. If she had brake trouble in Edmonton, then the brakes are repaired and she would have no reason to go out at 12:30AM without her car and without her cell phone.

Exactly when did she post on Facebook that there were problems with her brakes?

She posted about her brakes at 11:54 p.m. on November 25th - one day before her audition.

Her friend said that the casting director was the person who last saw her Edmonton, not a friend. That is why I doubt she made a trip out of it.

If she was presumably last seen on November 27th at 12:30 a.m. and she posted at 9:00 on the 26th that she was sorry she didn't make it back in time for the YY's event, that means she either got her car fixed before she left, she got a ride or she was there longer.

 

[otto]

Not everyone keeps day hours. She works in the entertainment industry... She very well could have discovered her brakes at that time.

Wen also have no way of knowing if she actually made those posts on FB.

The fact is - We do not not know this aspect of the timeline.

Of course Shannon could have discovered the problem with the brakes at 2AM early Wednesday morning, but it's not really conceivable that she discovered the problem in Calgary at 2AM Wednesday, and then arranged for a ride to/from Edmonton the following day, spent six hours driving to and from Edmonton, "hung out" with many friends in Edmonton, successfully auditioned for a film part, and she left on Wednesday morning for a round trip to Edmonton ... returning at about 9PM on Wednesday. That's an awful lot to do in 19 hours ... and then wander off 4.5 hours later at 12:30AM without a cell phone or a car.

The husband's timeline is irrelevant. He was home at 12:30AM Nov 27 when Shannon was home. Now she is missing. He did not report her missing. Her cell phone was in their shared accommodation for five days, her car was parked outside, yet he did not notify her family that something didn't seem right. Her family had to wait until he was home after work five days later to learn that she was not at home, so they phoned police late Monday, Dec 1.

There's no reason to doubt posts that were made at 2AM on Nov 26. They were made 19 hours prior to her disappearance, and she was seen at home after that time.

If the husband did something, he should come clean, safe her family the grief, and face the consequences. It's better that he claims crime of passion and takes his 10 years than fighting it and risking 25 ... however, if there was an issue with a damaged brake line that was not caused by rust, then he's looking at 25 years no matter what.