Casey & Family Psychological Profile #4

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I've never considered her a sociopath. What an easy fix for explaining behaviors that are anti-social. There is a difference between the two, however. A sociopath doesn't care about whether she's caught or not. It's the game. Casey cares a great deal about getting caught lying and stealing and whatever else. Just because she's defiant and in your face when she is caught isn't a matter of sociopathy. It's got everything to do with childish behavior. Someone with a retarded (meant as shortened or not nurtured) personality which calls for her to feel like she has to steal what others have in order to feel like they are, even down to "stealing" their mannerisms and likes and dislikes, means she's suffering a developmental problem.

Left unchecked, Casey has become someone who is very good at blending in and stealing a person blind. She's very good at keeping her friends separate. She's an expert at manipulating her family. But she isn't a sociopath. She's a manipulator, she's a liar, she's a thief. And now she's accused of killing Caylee. All the pictures taken of her with Caylee show a loving relationship. We can pick apart grimaces and facial expressions in some pictures (like the one where she has the T-Rex grin leaning in toward Caylee.......y'all know exactly which one I mean) and decide it is the picture of evil, but it really isn't. There are some videos that disturb me personally, but only because of the lack of interaction of the camera person and Caylee, but frankly we cannot attribute those videos to Casey.
Casey's personality is such that she has NO base personality. She molds herself to the person she's with so that they're exactly alike. The other person cannot reject her if she's just like them, right? That isn't normal thinking. That's co-dependency in its heightened state. Sociopaths are not co-dependent. They don't CARE. Casey cares a great deal about being wanted and loved and part of the group. Whether she took that to the ultimate degree and decided that killing Caylee would help her be a part of that group is definitely a possibility. However, it is not a sign of a sociopath. It is a sign of a very very very bad decision by a very very very stunted young woman. Caylee may very well have died to free up her mother's life. But that does not put Casey into the sociopath category.
Wow, this is REALLY good. I have always just taken the sociopath diagnosis as truth and after reading your post, I have to wonder. I wish I had the knowledge to know if your assessment is "on the money", unfortunatly I don't. I do know that it sounds plausible and fits very well with everything we know about KC. So, thank you !:)
 
I've never considered her a sociopath. What an easy fix for explaining behaviors that are anti-social. There is a difference between the two, however. A sociopath doesn't care about whether she's caught or not. It's the game. Casey cares a great deal about getting caught lying and stealing and whatever else. Just because she's defiant and in your face when she is caught isn't a matter of sociopathy. It's got everything to do with childish behavior. Someone with a retarded (meant as shortened or not nurtured) personality which calls for her to feel like she has to steal what others have in order to feel like they are, even down to "stealing" their mannerisms and likes and dislikes, means she's suffering a developmental problem.

Left unchecked, Casey has become someone who is very good at blending in and stealing a person blind. She's very good at keeping her friends separate. She's an expert at manipulating her family. But she isn't a sociopath. She's a manipulator, she's a liar, she's a thief. And now she's accused of killing Caylee. All the pictures taken of her with Caylee show a loving relationship. We can pick apart grimaces and facial expressions in some pictures (like the one where she has the T-Rex grin leaning in toward Caylee.......y'all know exactly which one I mean) and decide it is the picture of evil, but it really isn't. There are some videos that disturb me personally, but only because of the lack of interaction of the camera person and Caylee, but frankly we cannot attribute those videos to Casey.
Casey's personality is such that she has NO base personality. She molds herself to the person she's with so that they're exactly alike. The other person cannot reject her if she's just like them, right? That isn't normal thinking. That's co-dependency in its heightened state. Sociopaths are not co-dependent. They don't CARE. Casey cares a great deal about being wanted and loved and part of the group. Whether she took that to the ultimate degree and decided that killing Caylee would help her be a part of that group is definitely a possibility. However, it is not a sign of a sociopath. It is a sign of a very very very bad decision by a very very very stunted young woman. Caylee may very well have died to free up her mother's life. But that does not put Casey into the sociopath category.
I share your opinion, deb, especially as it concerns her arrested emotional development, which I would attribute to the dynamic of the mother/daughter relationship.
 
Don't know if this fits in this thread...:waitasec:

I have wondered ever since I heard Casey mentioned to CA that she was proud Caylee was just like them....geezz....think about it.....raised by a sociopath and crazy gp it sure makes you wonder how much psycological damage had this dysfunctional family already inflicted on Caylee...the fight on the 15 of June with neck grabbing etc....must have been a doozy.....
was Caylee subjected to these outbursts?.....:confused:
 
An ex-boyfriend who was part of my subject base was diagnosed bi-polar -- and he did not have anything on his walls!

Don't worry-- I am not offended and I didn't think you were trying to be a jerk or anything. It's just nice to belong to a group of individuals to whom I can converse with in this way, and who understand what I am talking about and value my opinions and point of view!

:blowkiss:
 
Exactly how did Mr. Smith get the information by which he performed a BRACE analysis on Casey's personality?

here is a link to info..

http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/1/

A quote from the link above- "However, it is important to keep in mind that the BRACE Character Profile™ only profiles maladaptive characteristics and does not directly address any type clinical qualifiers or diagnoses. The BRACE Character Profile™ reflects maladaptive patterns --- characteristics of thought, behavior, and motivation --- it does not make clinical diagnoses..."
 
here is a link to info..

http://crimsonshadows.net/content/view/168/140/1/1/

A quote from the link above- "However, it is important to keep in mind that the BRACE Character Profile™ only profiles maladaptive characteristics and does not directly address any type clinical qualifiers or diagnoses. The BRACE Character Profile™ reflects maladaptive patterns --- characteristics of thought, behavior, and motivation --- it does not make clinical diagnoses..."

OLG,

I find the most pertinent answer to my question in this statement:

"In the current case, the input ratings are based strictly on public record, primarily media reports, press releases and interviews. Consequently, the Casey Anthony character profiled is the character created by the media and the facts of the case that have been reported, all filtered through the mind of the rater."
 
About psych evals done on Casey by the defense, I thought that the Death Penalty attorny Lenamon wanted the same dr who eval'd the Unibomber to analyze KC and Baez nixed that.

Don't know if it ever happened since they did take the death pnlty off the table.

I went surfing around for the Lenamon memo couldn't find it tho found refs to it and how it had been leaked to the press. Figure any psych eval is at least mentioned in it.

Anyone read the Lenamon memo? Does it have a psych eval of KC in it?

Got a link?

I don't believe the Lenamon memo made it to public access.
 
Just from listening to Jesse's statement, I'm starting to think he has a little lying problem or personality disfunction. Alot of the things he says are very odd. Of course this doesn't automatically make him have a disorder, but just putting it out there, because it's a vibe I got.
 
Maybe there is no psychiatric diagnosis for KC. Maybe her behaviors have been brought out for her love of money and men? I'v been stating since I joined that it appeared KC sociopathic behaviors started to become more blatant over the past 2 yrs. Wouldn't it be something if there were no pathologies? KC's statement after her jail psych eval. was somthing to the effect, "I'm normal" Maybe those words meant, "I'm just like everbody else, so why kill people who kill people who kill people!"
 
Maybe there is no psychiatric diagnosis for KC. Maybe her behaviors have been brought out for her love of money and men? I'v been stating since I joined that it appeared KC sociopathic behaviors started to become more blatant over the past 2 yrs. Wouldn't it be something if there were no pathologies? KC's statement after her jail psych eval. was somthing to the effect, "I'm normal" Maybe those words meant, "I'm just like everbody else, so why kill people who kill people who kill people!"

KageyKaren, Have you watched the reportoire between KC & JB @ this morning's hearing? I'm at a loss for words, & so angry at the disgusting display between them:furious:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk4GS4rTUZk 44 sec mark
 
KC reminded me of an adult child who has been preparing for her recital, (not one stage but in a courtroom. She seemed to be pulling on her clothes like you would a dance costume. It did initially and up to today disturbed me about the time spent with jB and his team members. My thought was, "Is their some form of manipulation of her by defense?" After today, seeing her so well put together in her attire and actions it appears once again she is quite aware and comfortable letting this playout. I'm more interested now in studying the relationship she will have with her female defense attorney. KC has seemed to appear to be comfortable around males than females so this new dynamic of a lead female attorney should be interesting.
 
Watching the interaction of KC entering the courtroom after handcuffs were removed, reminded me of someone being led into a class room by her father as the new student. It seemed jB was saying, "Here is your desk, and your very own pen and paper. The omni-present bed-head female lawyer LKB doesn't appear to be as nurturing as JB. On a lighter note KC's little bitty hands disturb me. Don't ask me why I don't know but they give me the willys. No hate mail from small handed women I'm one of them too, but mine are pretty! LOL
 
I found her playful interchange with JB in court this morning to be indicative of a sociopath. Who else but a sociopath could smirk while the search for her dead daughter is being discussed?
 
I found her playful interchange with JB in court this morning to be indicative of a sociopath. Who else but a sociopath could smirk while the search for her dead daughter is being discussed?

Except she DOES care. A sociopath doesn't care about anything. Casey cares a great deal about being loved and wanted and accepted, so much so that she melds herself into those who surround her. Just because she goes about it in such a backward way, to the point of committing crimes to achieve that love and acceptance doesn't make her a sociopath. It makes her extremely pathologically co-dependent.
 
KC reminded me of an adult child who has been preparing for her recital, (not one stage but in a courtroom. She seemed to be pulling on her clothes like you would a dance costume. It did initially and up to today disturbed me about the time spent with jB and his team members. My thought was, "Is their some form of manipulation of her by defense?" After today, seeing her so well put together in her attire and actions it appears once again she is quite aware and comfortable letting this playout. I'm more interested now in studying the relationship she will have with her female defense attorney. KC has seemed to appear to be comfortable around males than females so this new dynamic of a lead female attorney should be interesting.

Watching the interaction of KC entering the courtroom after handcuffs were removed, reminded me of someone being led into a class room by her father as the new student. It seemed jB was saying, "Here is your desk, and your very own pen and paper. The omni-present bed-head female lawyer LKB doesn't appear to be as nurturing as JB. On a lighter note KC's little bitty hands disturb me. Don't ask me why I don't know but they give me the willys. No hate mail from small handed women I'm one of them too, but mine are pretty! LOL

We seem to be on the same wave (KC) length....I couldn't have written my thoughts better!

Something is so Distrubing about this intermix!:waitasec: Your question of manipulation is vividly sound, & some people can interpret gestures for what they are, no more, no less. This THING they have, goes back a way to when she was spending all day at his office. My theory is, it is "It Cuts Both Ways"! & I think you can read between the lines. It's HIS manipulation that is ethically reprehensible, & now it's a train, that he surely does not want to stop. This is Bigger than him, & he'll placate her till the cows come home, actually, she's easy to figure out, & he will play her game, before he'll return to his previous life! It is so clear, & this is just another weird facet to this horrible tragedy.

Regarding the small hands, I fell over laughing at that one, and yes there are varying degrees in everything, even small hands, but her's Speak of something unsaid!

As far as your description of the bed-headed atty, who will definitely steal the thunder from KC, she could end up being her new role model,

I fearfully & sadly believe we are watching an evolution of our times.....she is now in the ranks of Joran VDS, forgiving themselves easily for the choices thev'e made, having no apologies for what they had to do, it's another erosion of our moral way of thinking.....A sign of the Times............
 
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