Casey Speak ~ Casey Talk ~ Casey Code

[Betty Boop]

Regarding Casey's going and gettin a tattoo close to the time that it is presumed Caylee died,has any one thought of this concept about that tattoo...any one remember that Diane Downs who shot her 3 kids and one died back in the '80's went and bought a unicorn
and had it engraved with their names denoting that they were the "4 Musketeers" which was a common refrain from Diane after her divorce. Remember that when the prosecutor made a walk through with the detectives how it struck him especially when he saw the date...that it was only like I think a week prior to the shootings? That played a big part in the prosecutor's mind during the trial. Yes,it is and was very strange that this woman thought she could make a memorial of that sort about her children when she knew she was going to dispose of them just shortly. No expert has ever fully been able to delve into Diane's mind because her thinking was always so against the norm. She too never showed any grief over what she did to her kids. Could Casey have done the same thing...thinking if she got a tattoo that somehow reminded her of Caylee then Caylee in her physical body could be disposable? It's crazy thinking but hey I didn't make this up. Any one not familiar with the case of Diane Downs should read the book about her and I believe you might see a correlation between Diane's memorial Unicorn and Casey's tattoo. Think of it this way...Casey had never before gotten a tattoo...why get one a few days after her child goes missing...I think if any one could figure out why she got that tattoo at the time that she did you would see that "kernel of truth" that another poster to this site has been mentioning. We may never know but I fully believe that tattoo has more meaning to it than any one is aware of. You sleuths out there please wrap your mind around this scenario. I think there's gold in what this tattoo really means.

I agree, hawki123. I read the book about the Diane Downs case (Small Sacrifices by Ann Rule). Also saw the move a couple of times (Farrah Fawcett, IMO, played the part well). I have believed from the beginning that the tattoo is a memorial. There's a "Tattoo" thread here at WS that gives some interesting information, including the fact that Casey accessed the computer file with Caylee's pics (video?) shortly before going to the tattoo place (I think poster BondJamesBond figured that out). I'll see if I can find the link to that thread and add it to this post.

** Here is the link to the Tattoo Thread **

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69101&highlight=Tattoo

 

[hawki123]

Betty Boop:
Yes,please post that thread on tattoos as I would be very interested in reading it. As an aside,Ann Rule is my favorite author and the Diane Downs case was the very first book of Ann's that I ever read and I've been hooked ever since.

 

[Betty Boop]

Betty Boop:
Yes,please post that thread on tattoos as I would be very interested in reading it. As an aside,Ann Rule is my favorite author and the Diane Downs case was the very first book of Ann's that I ever read and I've been hooked ever since.

The Tattoo Thread is at:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...ghlight=Tattoo

I just updated my original post with the link, too.

BTW, Ann Rule would be a good one to write a book on this case.

 

[yolorado]

bingo, this is what i think happen. i think CA was up to neck into something. i think she own some big timer money and that was why she stole her grandpaent money,Cindy said follow the money they took Caylee for payment. NOW it might be to late.

If you made a mistake and then dangerous people took your daughter, wouldn't you, at some point during the 31 days that was going on, try to help your daughter by getting her out of the grasp of the dangerous people, by, oh I don't know, let's saying going to the police and, I'm guessing here, telling them the situation and asking for them to help, then helping them by saying who these dangerous people were and where they might be found? I mean really. Letting scary people keep her daughter? Going to someone who could help get her daughter away from scary people? Hum. Surely there's some phone number that a call was make from or to the scary people. Surely the scary people lived somewhere. If she got messed up with dangerous people, there's at least one location where that happened. Why is KC STILL not saying? Who in their right mind would believe that it's better to leave a child in a situation with dangerous people than to go for help?! Maybe that would be a person who knows that her daughter has already met her demise at the hands of the one truly dangerous person in this whole scenario, the person with evidence of a dead body in her trunk.

 

[Betty Boop]

If you made a mistake and then dangerous people took your daughter, wouldn't you, at some point during the 31 days that was going on, try to help your daughter by getting her out of the grasp of the dangerous people, by, oh I don't know, let's saying going to the police and, I'm guessing here, telling them the situation and asking for them to help, then helping them by saying who these dangerous people were and where they might be found? I mean really. Letting scary people keep her daughter? Going to someone who could help get her daughter away from scary people? Hum. Surely there's some phone number that a call was make from or to the scary people. Surely the scary people lived somewhere. If she got messed up with dangerous people, there's at least one location where that happened. Why is KC STILL not saying? Who in their right mind would believe that it's better to leave a child in a situation with dangerous people than to go for help?! Maybe that would be a person who knows that her daughter has already met her demise at the hands of the one truly dangerous person in this whole scenario, the person with evidence of a dead body in her trunk.

I agree, yolorado! Even if it were the scariest people in the world, once I had all of LE and FBI resources, I would have to figure there would not be a more opportune time to go ahead and let go with a few clues. I mean, it doesn't look like she will be able to go undercover on her own again anytime soon.

 

[Tuba]

I agree, Salome, no detection or suspicion of some code in the jail talk. What does pique my interest is such odd usages as "bottom left", "running out of gas circumstantially", "going to a neutral place". Tapu (Web Sleuth) thought it was no coincidence Casey abandoned the car at Amscot but that, au contraire, she parked there deliberately feeling that not too much could be made of the fact--it's only circumstantial, after all (in her mind). The question becomes, particularly bearing her thinking in mind, circumstantial evidence of what? That putting the car there was either convenient because of some fact or was a move to conceal some fact. If I assault someone in my kitchen with a knife and then clean the knife and place it in a utensil drawer, I am doing what is both convenient and seeks to conceal. The car may be next to the dumpster in a failed effort to conceal the overwhelming smell & escape the reeking hearse & make it available to J.Q. Public short-of-cash but that placement may also prove convenient to the travel involved in disposing of the body.

Analysis of the pings indicates that Casey spent a lot of time in the Amscot location over June and July. I think of it as the neutral place she referred to in her post Sawgrass description when interviewed. If you are getting more & more anxious and waiting is not paying off, nor looking at the usual haunts, why would you go to a neutral place? That is guaranteed to produce no results! But a big blank parking lot in plain view of traffic, innocuous and nondescript is neutral at least in certain senses of the term. She didn't really leave work or go to Sawgrass or the stores. But I believe she did go to her King's X neutral place of anonymity after she had committed a crime.

 

[bayterrace11360]

If you made a mistake and then dangerous people took your daughter, wouldn't you, at some point during the 31 days that was going on, try to help your daughter by getting her out of the grasp of the dangerous people, by, oh I don't know, let's saying going to the police and, I'm guessing here, telling them the situation and asking for them to help, then helping them by saying who these dangerous people were and where they might be found? I mean really. Letting scary people keep her daughter? Going to someone who could help get her daughter away from scary people? Hum. Surely there's some phone number that a call was make from or to the scary people. Surely the scary people lived somewhere. If she got messed up with dangerous people, there's at least one location where that happened. Why is KC STILL not saying? Who in their right mind would believe that it's better to leave a child in a situation with dangerous people than to go for help?! Maybe that would be a person who knows that her daughter has already met her demise at the hands of the one truly dangerous person in this whole scenario, the person with evidence of a dead body in her trunk.

I don't believe any of this is true. She was killed in a fit of rage by Casey on June 15, IMO. You have to wonder where she was and what she's been doing all these years when she was supposedly going to work. What happened to all the money stolen from her grandparent's account?
What about all the searches for escorts? Was she working for an escort service? She never even had gas money. So many questions...No real answers.

 

[ElenaS]

Casey code, casey speak...The only truth that can be taken from her tales is basic. "I'm going to work" means "I'm not going to be home when you are home". "We are crashing at Zani's" means "I'm not going to sleep at home". Her lies are the worst I've ever heard, and I have a pathological liar in my family. My family member's lies are easy to decipher...you take the nouns, get rid of the rest and make sense of the story. The most basic sense. Any time that she comes up with an off the wall story about money, it means she spent her money on bs and isn't paying bills. This is classic pathology...Casey's goes beyond classic. She throws words like "neutral" in there because whomever she was telling lies to got confused when she used strange adjectives. IMO she lies about everything. Even the "31" days. She probably had another number in her head and threw out something slightly different. Sorry, this is more of a rant than anything else. Maybe someone on this site can decipher one sentence into something that makes sense, so far I can't. As for the tattoo...I will bet that she got that to impress someone. Someone else, more than likely, had said they wanted that tattoo or something similar...I really don't think she is capable of caring about her daughter enough to memorialize her.

actually, the actress Lindsay Lohan has that same tattoo
it probably means nothing...but I just wanted to add that

 

[tfrohning]

when LI charge her with something like Murder. I am not sure whos DNA is. it definetly
somebody. but I am not convice it Caylee.

 

[tfrohning]

you said it ""normal person" which she isn't ! My post is about what I think happen. And i lots of theories.:::

 

[TURBOTHINK]

when LI charge her with something like Murder. I am not sure whos DNA is. it definetly
somebody. but I am not convice it Caylee.

Why would they have said it was Caylee's if it wasn't?

It was Caylee's...........of course it always makes me laugh when I see that scenario in my mind CA painted about someone putting another body in that car.

I still crack up watching that in my mind of someone sneaking over an 8 ft fence with barbed wire at the tow lot, carrying a body to put in a trunk to frame KC and then coming back before they got the car, getting that body out again and lugging it while climbing back over that same fence.

 

[Betty Boop]

Why would they have said it was Caylee's if it wasn't?

It was Caylee's...........of course it always makes me laugh when I see that scenario in my mind CA painted about someone putting another body in that car.

I still crack up watching that in my mind of someone sneaking over an 8 ft fence with barbed wire at the tow lot, carrying a body to put in a trunk to frame KC and then coming back before they got the car, getting that body out again and lugging it while climbing back over that same fence.

This scenario reminds me of SP's satanic cult or band of homeless people who put the body/bodies in the bay to frame him.

 

[Betty Boop]

From the recorded interrogation of Casey on July 16th:

LE: You're telling me that Zenaida took your child without your permission and hasn't returned her?

KC: She's the last person that I've seen with my daughter, yes.


The way she phrases this bugs me.

 

[debs]

Just a quick question: If Casey's purse was left on the seat of the car on the 27th and there until the Anthony's picked it up early in the day on July 15th, and Lee Anthony retrieved all of Casey's things from Tony's apartment and didn't return until around 2:30 the next morning, how is it that there was a wallet to go through when he returned, that Cindy could snatch money out of, and that an officer could confiscate some sort of ID?

 

[Salome]

Just a quick question: If Casey's purse was left on the seat of the car on the 27th and there until the Anthony's picked it up early in the day on July 15th, and Lee Anthony retrieved all of Casey's things from Tony's apartment and didn't return until around 2:30 the next morning, how is it that there was a wallet to go through when he returned, that Cindy could snatch money out of, and that an officer could confiscate some sort of ID?

Good question. I don't have the link or time right now to seek it out, but I'm not sure there's any RELIABLE info that the purse was actually in the car. I think this is hearsay. If someone can point this out quickly and easily, that would be great to clear this up for us.

My memory may be failing (so much going on in this case and on this board), but I thought the purse talk was speculation. I don't think her main or only purse was found; there may have been a handbag in there (backpack for Caylee, we know), but that doesn't mean it was her purse. Or, even if it were one of her purses, she probably had others that she could transfer wallet and essentials into at Tone's or wherever. My hunch is that she had stuff left in the car (collapsible crate, pants, etc) but not that her main purse was left in the car. Again, if anyone has a quick link or a better memory, fill this in for us, please! Thanks.

 

[MiraclesHappen]

Good question. I don't have the link or time right now to seek it out, but I'm not sure there's any RELIABLE info that the purse was actually in the car. I think this is hearsay. If someone can point this out quickly and easily, that would be great to clear this up for us.

My memory may be failing (so much going on in this case and on this board), but I thought the purse talk was speculation. I don't think her main or only purse was found; there may have been a handbag in there (backpack for Caylee, we know), but that doesn't mean it was her purse. Or, even if it were one of her purses, she probably had others that she could transfer wallet and essentials into at Tone's or wherever. My hunch is that she had stuff left in the car (collapsible crate, pants, etc) but not that her main purse was left in the car. Again, if anyone has a quick link or a better memory, fill this in for us, please! Thanks.

Perhaps the purse belongs to the unidentified body in the trunk?

 

[seagull65]

LEE: Ok, so tell me. So if you lost the physical phone itself, aside from searching for it, how would you go about finding this? How should I go about finding your phone?

At the time, I always assumed they were actually talking either about Caylee herself or a person who has her.

 

[seagull65]

that's a good question about the purse, debs. I definitely remember Lee saying in police interview about bringing a large purse home from TL's apt, and about a couple hundred dollars and Cindy's Penney's card being found in it, so I had the impression this was KC's main purse, I had pictured that the card and money were in a wallet, did he say in a wallet, or just loose in this purse? I'm not sure. Anyway, I guess it's possible there were two purses but it's an interesting point

 

[Cerenity2u]

From the recorded interrogation of Casey on July 16th:

LE: You're telling me that Zenaida took your child without your permission and hasn't returned her?

KC: She's the last person that I've seen with my daughter, yes.


The way she phrases this bugs me.

I agree Betty Boop, it's always bothered me too. However, once again, I think there is some truth to what she is saying in bold. I am wondering if she really means Zenaida is actually the last person she "saw visually", while she still had Caylee with her, or before she met her demise and KC hid her body. Notice she doesn't state and won't say that Zenaida actually took her in her answere. Her "yes" at the end, is validating what she stated, not the answere to the question. I hope I am making sense, because when I read my own post, it is sort of confusing, but I don't know how to word it any clearer...LOL

 

[debs]

that's a good question about the purse, debs. I definitely remember Lee saying in police interview about bringing a large purse home from TL's apt, and about a couple hundred dollars and Cindy's Penney's card being found in it, so I had the impression this was KC's main purse, I had pictured that the card and money were in a wallet, did he say in a wallet, or just loose in this purse? I'm not sure. Anyway, I guess it's possible there were two purses but it's an interesting point

I guess it's always important to have the right accessories when you're going to "lose" your daughter. :doh: