Cindy is Unbelievable

[ZsaZsa]

Okay - here goes.
There is a condition called Prolonged Grief Disorder
or Complicated Grief that is on the verge of becoming a recognized disorder in psychology.

http://www.grief-healing-support.com/complicated-grief.html

I have posted some this on other threads.
I am in treatment for PGD along with severe depression, severe anxiety and PTSD. I have several blind spots caused by a neurological event caused by the trauma of finding my son. I had been taking meds or depression for several years prior.

You are correct in that most people who suffer from PGD do not act like CA.
I was like those you described - didn't even get out of bed for months other than to care for my cats. If I had to go somewhere - even to the grocery store, someone had to take me. I've been in therapy for over 5 years, since the month after my son passed, and have made progress, but people do not understand why I can't get over it and move on.
I posted on another thread once that I could understand CA thinking that Caylee was still alive. I know my son is deceased, but I still allow myself to believe he is still alive sometimes - it's a defense mechanism.

Here's how my situation is similar to CA's:

There are certain risk factors for complicated grief. Some of them are
-The death was unexpected and/or traumatic.
-The deceased is a child.
-There was a particularly close relationship with the deceased.
-There were circumstances before the death which caused great stress
and anxiety.
-There is a history of mental disorders.

I certainly don't act like CA. I rarely go out, but I can go alone now. I do not care much for my appearance, but I can dress nicely, wear make-up when I have to. I have my hair cut regularly. I have been able to travel across the country to vist my other son and to participate in his wedding and surrounding events and nobody would have thought there was anything "wrong" with me. I could not have done this without my sister by my side the entire time.

My relationship with a significant other was ruined. I have lost some friends and can't make new ones. I don't want to be this way and I'm working on getting better every day.
But everyone reacts differently. CA seems like the type of person who wants to make the appearance of everything being "just fine". She has the added anxiety of knowing - my opinion - that her daugher killed her grandaughter and she could have stopped it. I believe she is very ill and needs therapy badly.

ITA that she isn't credible as a grieving grandmother.
I had sympathy for her for a long time, but have only a little left due to her behavior and lies to protect ICA. I personally don't know how anyone could deal with what she's gone through, but it doesn't make the lies and finger-pointing any less despicable.

I'm not sure if I answered yor question - ask me anything else if you want and I'll do my best to answer from the perspective of my own experience.

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Thankyou for your post.
I do not think CA could benefit from therapy. You have to humble yourself and prepare to tell the truth if you want to get anywhere in therapy, and I cannot see her ever doing that. Arrogance is her illness.

 

[Nore]

Okay - here goes.
There is a condition called Prolonged Grief Disorder
or Complicated Grief that is on the verge of becoming a recognized disorder in psychology.

http://www.grief-healing-support.com/complicated-grief.html

I have posted some this on other threads.
I am in treatment for PGD along with severe depression, severe anxiety and PTSD. I have several blind spots caused by a neurological event caused by the trauma of finding my son. I had been taking meds or depression for several years prior.

You are correct in that most people who suffer from PGD do not act like CA.
I was like those you described - didn't even get out of bed for months other than to care for my cats. If I had to go somewhere - even to the grocery store, someone had to take me. I've been in therapy for over 5 years, since the month after my son passed, and have made progress, but people do not understand why I can't get over it and move on.
I posted on another thread once that I could understand CA thinking that Caylee was still alive. I know my son is deceased, but I still allow myself to believe he is still alive sometimes - it's a defense mechanism.

Here's how my situation is similar to CA's:

There are certain risk factors for complicated grief. Some of them are
-The death was unexpected and/or traumatic.
-The deceased is a child.
-There was a particularly close relationship with the deceased.
-There were circumstances before the death which caused great stress
and anxiety.
-There is a history of mental disorders.

I certainly don't act like CA. I rarely go out, but I can go alone now. I do not care much for my appearance, but I can dress nicely, wear make-up when I have to. I have my hair cut regularly. I have been able to travel across the country to vist my other son and to participate in his wedding and surrounding events and nobody would have thought there was anything "wrong" with me. I could not have done this without my sister by my side the entire time.

My relationship with a significant other was ruined. I have lost some friends and can't make new ones. I don't want to be this way and I'm working on getting better every day.
But everyone reacts differently. CA seems like the type of person who wants to make the appearance of everything being "just fine". She has the added anxiety of knowing - my opinion - that her daugher killed her grandaughter and she could have stopped it. I believe she is very ill and needs therapy badly.

ITA that she isn't credible as a grieving grandmother.
I had sympathy for her for a long time, but have only a little left due to her behavior and lies to protect ICA. I personally don't know how anyone could deal with what she's gone through, but it doesn't make the lies and finger-pointing any less despicable.

I'm not sure if I answered yor question - ask me anything else if you want and I'll do my best to answer from the perspective of my own experience.

.

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Tiki ~ (((( Hugs)))). Luvya,Nore.

 

[AbbieNormal]

I have to ditto the hugs ((Tiki)) too. I'm sorry for all you have gone through Tiki.

I am on disability-permanent- also and am only 53. Have been on it about 10 years, but it's physical not mental. Although after all this time the physical part has made me mental in many ways.

 

[Leila]

I'm not entirely sure I believe the story of Caylee be forced upon Casey. Simply because the story came out of Casey's mouth (and most things that come out of her mouth are bald faced lies). But actually it's probably true since claiming to not want to keep your child doesn't actually put you in the most favorable light so there wouldn't too be too much motive in claiming that you wanted to give your child away. It's also possible a deal was made between Cindy and Casey that they would take care of her and Caylee and Casey's life wouldn't be too inconvenienced.

But if I recall I think Cindy's first words to Casey when she overheard the conversation between Lee and Casey in her bedroom when she first told her brother Caylee was missing were "what have you done". I think that alone speaks to what Cindy knew Casey to be capable of doing. And I think in part that's why Cindy is so obnoxious. She knows she should have gotten custody of Caylee and to some extent contributed to what transpired. I don't think she's to blame, at least fully. But she certainly didn't do all she could do to prevent it from happening. And I think that knowledge will eat Cindy alive from the inside out. She wants so badly to blame someone else, anyone else really. As long as it doesn't go back to Casey and what the Anthony's DIDN'T do to prevent it. And couple that with the fact that it's alleged that Cindy and Casey had a horrible fight and that Casey left the house that night with Caylee in a rage. You add all that together and you have the woman who appears to us before the media and in Court. Cindy will be permanently damaged until the day she dies.

I wonder what would have happened if Cindy DID get custody of Caylee? She would have had to kick Casey out of the house and change the locks. In order to continue working, she'd have to put Caylee in daycare or find someone to babysit with Caylee while she worked. Perhaps George could have taken care of Caylee until he went to work at 2:00pm or 3:00pm, and only have a babysitter to take up those few hours between George going to work and Cindy coming home.

But, Casey would resent her mother for taking custody of Caylee and kicking her out. Without her mother funding her lifestyle, Casey would have to get a job. She'd resent her mother even more for putting her in that position. She'd resent Caylee because Caylee would be getting the attention Casey felt she deserved.

I've always felt that Casey killed Caylee, at least in part, because she wanted to punish her mother. If Cindy had custody of Caylee and didn't take measures to physically protect her from Casey, I think there's a possibility that Casey would have killed Caylee anyway, regardless of who had custody.

 

[LambChop]

Just a little FYI here: the boat to find missing children...ahummm, belongs to Kidfinders not the A's. The people who run Kidfinders named the boat after Caylee Marie. I believe it's a fishboat with a sophisticated "fish finder". (sigh)

 

[LambChop]

IIRC this is the call where she is calling the wrong jurisdiction and when she is put on hold you can hear her say (CA) "Next thing we do is a Court Order" ICA says Give me another day and CA responds, No I've given you a month already.... IMO the Court order would be for custody of Caylee.

So why didn't CA pursue custody of Caylee? The answer is probably pretty simple. When they all went to the attorney about CA and GA getting custody of Caylee in case something happened to KC the attorney told them he needed to get the father's signature on a form waiving his rights. That's when the father "became" dead. The A's were still not able to do the paperwork because they would have to go before the judge and prove this man was the father. So there you have it. Even if CA KNEW KC was a bad mother, not saying she was, CA would not have gotten Caylee unless she could prove the father was not available or, in fact, deceased. The court would have wanted a name. CA may have feared losing Caylee for good.

CA knew how dangerous KC was because she told RP he needed to stay away from her because KC was a sociopath. No wonder CA will not admit anything. If only CA allowed the father into this child's life Caylee might still be alive today. jmo

 

[stilettos]

BBM.

I totally agree.

My own mother was one of those women.

Fortunately for me I DID have loving grandparents that raised me. From 9 months on after my parents handed me over. I'm grateful that they did hand me over and I'm grateful that when things got messy my grandparents loved me enough to put me first and go to Court when it was necessary. Children always come first and although Cindy claims the same her actions clearly show that was NOT the case.

Perhaps that's why I personally judge Cindy and George so harshly. Because I have first hand knowledge what loving grandparents should do. Don't get me wrong I fully know that only Casey is responsible for Caylee's murder. But I do think Cindy should have gotten custody of Caylee. There were so many signs on the wall that Casey didn't want to be a mother.

:seeya:You and I are siblings then...my Grandparents raised me from 4 months til Grandpa died...saving me from living with the monsters...and I too, judge the A's with the same perspective!

 

[Gnatcatcher]

Okay - here goes.
There is a condition called Prolonged Grief Disorder
or Complicated Grief that is on the verge of becoming a recognized disorder in psychology.

http://www.grief-healing-support.com/complicated-grief.html

I have posted some this on other threads.
I am in treatment for PGD along with severe depression, severe anxiety and PTSD. I have several blind spots caused by a neurological event caused by the trauma of finding my son. I had been taking meds or depression for several years prior.

You are correct in that most people who suffer from PGD do not act like CA.
I was like those you described - didn't even get out of bed for months other than to care for my cats. If I had to go somewhere - even to the grocery store, someone had to take me. I've been in therapy for over 5 years, since the month after my son passed, and have made progress, but people do not understand why I can't get over it and move on.
I posted on another thread once that I could understand CA thinking that Caylee was still alive. I know my son is deceased, but I still allow myself to believe he is still alive sometimes - it's a defense mechanism.

Here's how my situation is similar to CA's:

There are certain risk factors for complicated grief. Some of them are
-The death was unexpected and/or traumatic.
-The deceased is a child.
-There was a particularly close relationship with the deceased.
-There were circumstances before the death which caused great stress
and anxiety.
-There is a history of mental disorders.

I certainly don't act like CA. I rarely go out, but I can go alone now. I do not care much for my appearance, but I can dress nicely, wear make-up when I have to. I have my hair cut regularly. I have been able to travel across the country to vist my other son and to participate in his wedding and surrounding events and nobody would have thought there was anything "wrong" with me. I could not have done this without my sister by my side the entire time.

My relationship with a significant other was ruined. I have lost some friends and can't make new ones. I don't want to be this way and I'm working on getting better every day.
But everyone reacts differently. CA seems like the type of person who wants to make the appearance of everything being "just fine". She has the added anxiety of knowing - my opinion - that her daugher killed her grandaughter and she could have stopped it. I believe she is very ill and needs therapy badly.

ITA that she isn't credible as a grieving grandmother.
I had sympathy for her for a long time, but have only a little left due to her behavior and lies to protect ICA. I personally don't know how anyone could deal with what she's gone through, but it doesn't make the lies and finger-pointing any less despicable.

I'm not sure if I answered yor question - ask me anything else if you want and I'll do my best to answer from the perspective of my own experience.

.

Tiki, I'm incredibly moved by your story. I wish you peace and strength. I have a friend who recently was found deceased by his own mother. I pray for her every minute of the day. My own mother has yet to get over my brother's death from five years ago, and we all knew it was coming for a long time. But I think they put something in the Mothers-Mix that other people will never be able to understand. I wish you love and peace.

 

[Whome?]

:seeya:You and I are siblings then...my Grandparents raised me from 4 months til Grandpa died...saving me from living with the monsters...and I too, judge the A's with the same perspective!

Please count me among your sisterhood,because without the love of my grandmother,who raised me when my mother left me,I don't know where I would be today. I will forever be eternally greatful to her for taking me in,showing me what love is and making me the wife,mother,grandmother that I am today, God rest her sweet soul.rayer:

 

[RR0004]

Okay - here goes.
There is a condition called Prolonged Grief Disorder
or Complicated Grief that is on the verge of becoming a recognized disorder in psychology.

http://www.grief-healing-support.com/complicated-grief.html

I have posted some this on other threads.
I am in treatment for PGD along with severe depression, severe anxiety and PTSD. I have several blind spots caused by a neurological event caused by the trauma of finding my son. I had been taking meds or depression for several years prior.

You are correct in that most people who suffer from PGD do not act like CA.
I was like those you described - didn't even get out of bed for months other than to care for my cats. If I had to go somewhere - even to the grocery store, someone had to take me. I've been in therapy for over 5 years, since the month after my son passed, and have made progress, but people do not understand why I can't get over it and move on.
I posted on another thread once that I could understand CA thinking that Caylee was still alive. I know my son is deceased, but I still allow myself to believe he is still alive sometimes - it's a defense mechanism.

Here's how my situation is similar to CA's:

There are certain risk factors for complicated grief. Some of them are
-The death was unexpected and/or traumatic.
-The deceased is a child.
-There was a particularly close relationship with the deceased.
-There were circumstances before the death which caused great stress
and anxiety.
-There is a history of mental disorders.

I certainly don't act like CA. I rarely go out, but I can go alone now. I do not care much for my appearance, but I can dress nicely, wear make-up when I have to. I have my hair cut regularly. I have been able to travel across the country to vist my other son and to participate in his wedding and surrounding events and nobody would have thought there was anything "wrong" with me. I could not have done this without my sister by my side the entire time.

My relationship with a significant other was ruined. I have lost some friends and can't make new ones. I don't want to be this way and I'm working on getting better every day.
But everyone reacts differently. CA seems like the type of person who wants to make the appearance of everything being "just fine". She has the added anxiety of knowing - my opinion - that her daugher killed her grandaughter and she could have stopped it. I believe she is very ill and needs therapy badly.

ITA that she isn't credible as a grieving grandmother.
I had sympathy for her for a long time, but have only a little left due to her behavior and lies to protect ICA. I personally don't know how anyone could deal with what she's gone through, but it doesn't make the lies and finger-pointing any less despicable.

I'm not sure if I answered yor question - ask me anything else if you want and I'll do my best to answer from the perspective of my own experience.

.

There is actually a study being done now at Columbia University. I heard they were looking for people to participate, but I didn't fall into the age range they were looking for (they wanted older folks). I feel for you, Tiki. oxoxoxox

 

[zippitydoda]

So why didn't CA pursue custody of Caylee? The answer is probably pretty simple. When they all went to the attorney about CA and GA getting custody of Caylee in case something happened to KC the attorney told them he needed to get the father's signature on a form waiving his rights. That's when the father "became" dead. The A's were still not able to do the paperwork because they would have to go before the judge and prove this man was the father. So there you have it. Even if CA KNEW KC was a bad mother, not saying she was, CA would not have gotten Caylee unless she could prove the father was not available or, in fact, deceased. The court would have wanted a name. CA may have feared losing Caylee for good.

CA knew how dangerous KC was because she told RP he needed to stay away from her because KC was a sociopath. No wonder CA will not admit anything. If only CA allowed the father into this child's life Caylee might still be alive today. jmo

From Debbie Polisano's interview, CA's supervisor...

Page 16 http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/interviews/dpolisano112408.pdf

“She was upset and saying you know, that she's always has the baby and you know watching the baby. And I said, um, why don't you just ask for custody of the baby you know. Casey's young and maybe it would be better that you know you would just have legal custody. And um, she got I don't want to say upset, but a little bit agitated and said, you know where am I gonna get the money to do that. And how would I do that and I have to pay for a baby sitter all the time. And you know, and you know I'm not getting any younger.”

 

[JSR]

:seeya:You and I are siblings then...my Grandparents raised me from 4 months til Grandpa died...saving me from living with the monsters...and I too, judge the A's with the same perspective!

Please count me among your sisterhood,because without the love of my grandmother,who raised me when my mother left me,I don't know where I would be today. I will forever be eternally greatful to her for taking me in,showing me what love is and making me the wife,mother,grandmother that I am today, God rest her sweet soul.rayer:

There are sadly many of us out there. I too will be forever grateful for the sacrifice my grandparents went through to raise me. It was, I'm sure, difficult to raise a toddler into adulthood when they should have been enjoying their retirement years. I'm fully aware that when my parents wanted to hand me over they could have said no, but they didn't.

As someone mentioned above I'm not sure that Caylee's story would have turned out any differently had Cindy and George done the right thing and gain custody of Caylee. But sadly, we will never really know. At least if Cindy had custody of Caylee I can feel fairly confident she wouldn't have let 31 days go by without reporting her missing like she was nothing. Then again, perhaps if she for certain, knew Casey murdered her perhaps she may not have reported Caylee missing.

All I know is that Caylee deserved so much more than she got. So very much more.

 

[LambChop]

I just listened to the RGrund tape with LE and he talks about Jesse finding out Caylee was not his child and Richard tells her CA knew all along because GA admitted the math did not add up and they said nothing. Richard went on the say that in spite of that Jesse was willing to go raise Caylee as his own. CA's response, "Well, no one put a gun to his head." That is the most insensitive thing I have ever heard from a "grieving" grandparent. I think grieving set aside, this is CA's true nature.

Richard also mentions how Jesse loaned KC approximately $200 ($250??) and wrote a bad check to pay him back and still has not repaid him. CA's response, "Well, it was only one check." Long before Caylee was missing KC walked one of the family dogs and a neighbor said the dog did his business on their lawn. When they asked KC to clean it up her comment was, "It's not my dog."

This is not how responsible adults act. No I'm sorry, it won't happen again. Just counter-defensive, "it's all your fault." jmo

 

[JSR]

So why didn't CA pursue custody of Caylee? The answer is probably pretty simple. When they all went to the attorney about CA and GA getting custody of Caylee in case something happened to KC the attorney told them he needed to get the father's signature on a form waiving his rights. That's when the father "became" dead. The A's were still not able to do the paperwork because they would have to go before the judge and prove this man was the father. So there you have it. Even if CA KNEW KC was a bad mother, not saying she was, CA would not have gotten Caylee unless she could prove the father was not available or, in fact, deceased. The court would have wanted a name. CA may have feared losing Caylee for good.

CA knew how dangerous KC was because she told RP he needed to stay away from her because KC was a sociopath. No wonder CA will not admit anything. If only CA allowed the father into this child's life Caylee might still be alive today. jmo

BBM.

I'm not even sure Casey even knew who the father really was. If her behavior during the time Caylee was missing is any indicator how she ran her sexual lifestyle during the time Caylee was conceived then I'm fairly certain a DNA test would be needed to definitively identify the father.

 

[LambChop]

From Debbie Polisano's interview, CA's supervisor...

Page 16 http://www.thehinkymeter.com/Library/CMA/interviews/dpolisano112408.pdf

“She was upset and saying you know, that she's always has the baby and you know watching the baby. And I said, um, why don't you just ask for custody of the baby you know. Casey's young and maybe it would be better that you know you would just have legal custody. And um, she got I don't want to say upset, but a little bit agitated and said, you know where am I gonna get the money to do that. And how would I do that and I have to pay for a baby sitter all the time. And you know, and you know I'm not getting any younger.”

And, the child had a father. Regardless of how CA spins it, if she went through DCF the court would have approved it if there was no father and KC was unfit. KC was stealing thousands of dollars from her mother and CA complaining about daycare. They have great expectations of not paying for things, lawyers, consultants, etc. So I don't believe the no money for childcare. Plus if GA and CA were to have gotten temp. custody KC would have had to have gotten a job because she would be responsible for child support.

KC had no job, was stealing money, left and right, dragging the child to parties and probably not just once in awhile parties but a lot. And who knows what else. CA obviously had something on KC or she would not have threated her on that 911 call. Obviously there was something seriously wrong because Caylee is dead. jmo

 

[LambChop]

BBM.

I'm not even sure Casey even knew who the father really was. If her behavior during the time Caylee was missing is any indicator how she ran her sexual lifestyle during the time Caylee was conceived then I'm fairly certain a DNA test would be needed to definitively identify the father.

They would need DNA testing for court since the father was not on the birth certificate.

 

[Aedrys]

So why didn't CA pursue custody of Caylee? The answer is probably pretty simple. When they all went to the attorney about CA and GA getting custody of Caylee in case something happened to KC the attorney told them he needed to get the father's signature on a form waiving his rights. That's when the father "became" dead. The A's were still not able to do the paperwork because they would have to go before the judge and prove this man was the father. So there you have it. Even if CA KNEW KC was a bad mother, not saying she was, CA would not have gotten Caylee unless she could prove the father was not available or, in fact, deceased. The court would have wanted a name. CA may have feared losing Caylee for good.

CA knew how dangerous KC was because she told RP he needed to stay away from her because KC was a sociopath. No wonder CA will not admit anything. If only CA allowed the father into this child's life Caylee might still be alive today. jmo

Actually, they would have been able to try to get custody of Caylee without her father. I've expressed interest in adopting my stepdaughter, and found out that yes, I could do that, but they would have to contact the mother and let her know that her rights to her child were being terminated. It would be up to her to choose to fight it or not. Maybe Cindy was worried about a father wanting to fight for a daughter he didn't know he had, but from what I gathered, if the person was contacted and didn't dispute their rights being taken away in a certain amount of time, those rights to the child would be terminated.

The family, in my case, didn't want my stepdaughter's egg donor contacted so she would continue to not be part of my stepdaughter's life (and good riddance too, she was a bad mother, literally). There's also other reasons, but anyway, that's what I learned. George and Cindy would have been able to get the father's rights terminated if the father didn't contest those rights in a certain amount of time. They just didn't want to chance the father actually fighting for rights to "their" child. It's unbelievable how selfish these people were and still are!

 

[LambChop]

There are sadly many of us out there. I too will be forever grateful for the sacrifice my grandparents went through to raise me. It was, I'm sure, difficult to raise a toddler into adulthood when they should have been enjoying their retirement years. I'm fully aware that when my parents wanted to hand me over they could have said no, but they didn't.

As someone mentioned above I'm not sure that Caylee's story would have turned out any differently had Cindy and George done the right thing and gain custody of Caylee. But sadly, we will never really know. At least if Cindy had custody of Caylee I can feel fairly confident she wouldn't have let 31 days go by without reporting her missing like she was nothing. Then again, perhaps if she for certain, knew Casey murdered her perhaps she may not have reported Caylee missing.

All I know is that Caylee deserved so much more than she got. So very much more.

Thank goodness for grandparents. My mother divorced when I was 2 and went out to work so my grandmother raised me. Although my mother was in the house it was my grandmother who was there for me most of the time and I think more of my grandmother as my mother figure. My father remarried and had many more children and in those days dad's did not have an option, Mom usually retained custody. lol I'm a grandmother now, but could not do it by myself but would if I had to. That is what families are for. jmo

 

[Horace Finklestein]

:truce:

Don't throw things at me - I'm not defending CA - just telling how SSD works.
CA could easily be on SS disability for psychological reasons. Except fot the fact that I also have a slight partial blindness, this is my situation, so I know it's true.

It happened after my son died and I found his body. I know of other people who are on SDD for clinical depression, PTSD and anxiety.

I had a firm of lawyers through my employer's long-term disability progam. I'll be considered an "employee on disability" until I have to retire at age 65. I maintain all the benefits I had when I was working - health care insurance, life insurance, contributions to my retirement account, etc.

I receive a monthly check from my former employer which is the difference between what SSD pays and what my benefit would be through their disability program.
I supplement my income as allowed, by working at home.

If CA has a doctor to sign papers saying she's unable to work for psychological reasons and a lawyer to handle the SS hearing, she can get it no matter what her age. She would automatically be on Medicare Part A (hospital) and would qualify for Parts B and D. You can get it at any age.

You don't have to be physically disabled to be on SSD - mental health issues are accepted.

Also, it has nothing to do with how much money or assets you have. SS is for everyone, not just poor people. It's not like public assistance. You can have interest and dividend income, etc. The amount of your benefit is based on your earnings for your last several years of work. If you didn't work and contribute to SS, then you don't get anything. CA was probably making a decent salary, so she is likely getting enough to get by on if they are careful. We don't know what other income they have.

PLUS
You are allowed to earn over $1000 a month from work while on SSD with no reduction in benefits - they encourage it and have a program to help you find work you can do. If you make less than $25,000 total - SSD plus earnings, you don't even owe any income tax.

I bet CA is on SS disability - look at the lawyers she had who could get her accepted. And she could have had benefits similar to mine.

.

That's good insight into what's wrong with SSD. What a ridiculous system. She should have been disqualified as soon as she went on the cruise imo.

 

[MissJames]

So why didn't CA pursue custody of Caylee? The answer is probably pretty simple. When they all went to the attorney about CA and GA getting custody of Caylee in case something happened to KC the attorney told them he needed to get the father's signature on a form waiving his rights. That's when the father "became" dead. The A's were still not able to do the paperwork because they would have to go before the judge and prove this man was the father. So there you have it. Even if CA KNEW KC was a bad mother, not saying she was, CA would not have gotten Caylee unless she could prove the father was not available or, in fact, deceased. The court would have wanted a name. CA may have feared losing Caylee for good.

CA knew how dangerous KC was because she told RP he needed to stay away from her because KC was a sociopath. No wonder CA will not admit anything. If only CA allowed the father into this child's life Caylee might still be alive today. jmo

You are spot on!

We have been foster parents and adopted 4 :beats:

The courts will often go to unimaginible lengths to proctect fathers rights.
They have to ,because there ARE cases like this one when the mother may be less than honest.
Of course there are also sperm donors who should never be allowed near children.
I'm just sayin, :maddening: