Cindy is Unbelievable

[JSR]

As crazy as it sounds, I think CA would love for ICA to have another child...sort of a do-over of Casey and Caylee. If Lee gets married and has children, CA will not have much/if any control over his children. Assuming he marries Mallory, she has a mom and most daughters are closer to their own mothers 'vs' a MIL.

Also, I don't think the money that interviews would bring them if Casey got pregnant hasn't crossed their minds. Imagine the headlines--child killer gives birth to another child.

IMO

BBM.

God I hope Mallory is close to her mother! Could you EVEN imagine having CA as a MIL???? I've said this before and I'll say it again. I would rather eat shards of glass than have CA as a MIL. Why Mallory isn't running for the damn hills astounds me. Lee should be very grateful that Mallory is still with him. She must really love him or can't see into the future what her life will be like with this horrendous family.

I also agree that CA would relish having Casey have another child. I hope and pray that Casey never gets the opportunity to have another child. She didn't deserve the first one she got. And sadly we all know how that turned out.

 

[JSR]

How about when CA said, Caylee wasn't just ICA's child, she was OUR child, she belonged to all of us!

Children are not possessions and I do believe part of the problem, naa, most of the problems were due to CA and how she felt about ICA and Caylee...I can almost invision CA telling ICA, I am Caylee's parent, I support her, I pay for her medical, I put this roof over both your heads, etc...you (ICA) are her nanny, her babysitter....when I get home from work, you run out....I believe this family dynamic, ICA's inability to feel love, her sense of entitlement, putting one child (ICA) against the other (Caylee), add in ICA is my best friend and you will have one confused family...

CA never means what she says when dealing with ICA...never being held accountable, no boundries, no consequences for bad behavior and you get an out of control adult child who didn't want to be a mother in the first place. Just because a woman gives birth it doesn't automatically make her a mother....some woman are just not mothering material and I do believe that is ICA...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

BBM.

I totally agree.

My own mother was one of those women.

Fortunately for me I DID have loving grandparents that raised me. From 9 months on after my parents handed me over. I'm grateful that they did hand me over and I'm grateful that when things got messy my grandparents loved me enough to put me first and go to Court when it was necessary. Children always come first and although Cindy claims the same her actions clearly show that was NOT the case.

Perhaps that's why I personally judge Cindy and George so harshly. Because I have first hand knowledge what loving grandparents should do. Don't get me wrong I fully know that only Casey is responsible for Caylee's murder. But I do think Cindy should have gotten custody of Caylee. There were so many signs on the wall that Casey didn't want to be a mother.

 

[Leila]

I wouldn't worry about her being on SSI. I don't see how she would qualify. First they'd check her assets, bank accts and retirement accts (ok maybe ICA emptied those). They'd also look at 'kid finding' boats. :crazy:

Then she'd have to show she was too sick to perform her work as a nurse that, apparently, didn't require any heavy lifting (according to her own description). She could probably get herself out of doing that job based on anxiety due to having a sociopathic murderer for a daughter, but, I'm not aware of any physical problems that would keep her from doing unskilled work.

Anyone know exactly how old she is?

I'm guessing 'no' to SSI.

Cindy is 52 going on 53. She turned 50-years-old the first week of June 2008. She took that week off work as vacation time. She said that June 9th was her first day back at work. She later claimed that when she told police that Caylee had been missing since June 9th, it was because she thought it was the day she went back to work after her vacation.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

BBM.

I totally agree.

My own mother was one of those women.

Fortunately for me I DID have loving grandparents that raised me. From 9 months on after my parents handed me over. I'm grateful that they did hand me over and I'm grateful that when things got messy my grandparents loved me enough to put me first and go to Court when it was necessary. Children always come first and although Cindy claims the same her actions clearly show that was NOT the case.

Perhaps that's why I personally judge Cindy and George so harshly. Because I have first hand knowledge what loving grandparents should do. Don't get me wrong I fully know that only Casey is responsible for Caylee's murder. But I do think Cindy should have gotten custody of Caylee. There were so many signs on the wall that Casey didn't want to be a mother.

TY, JSR for being so honest...I too dote on my grandchildren, what grandmother doesn't. If CA saw that ICA had been neglectful towards Caylee, I too think she should have taken custody. Only problem, did CA want to be a full time grandparent? Working, going through menopause I'm sure her patience was running thin...but CA said, "there were no red flags", another mistruth...I'm sure CA saw many red flags...her avoidance tendencies kept her at bay, as she herself told ICA...

I go back to when ICA finally told LA she hadn't seen Caylee in a month. Before that she told him, maybe I am a neglectful parent, maybe mom should have done something before, maybe I am a spiteful biatch...said it all for me...she didn't want to be a mother, doesn't have that maternal instinct and you can't force someone to be loving towards their own flesh and blood if it's not there to begin with...but ICA didn't want Caylee in the first place, it appears CA forced it upon her...huge mistake if CA truly feels ICA is a sociopath/pathological liar...What did CA see to make such a claim??? There in lies the truth of ICA's behavior...I do hope the State can ask CA why she stated this to some of ICA's associates...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Ada]

Cindy is 52 going on 53. She turned 50-years-old the first week of June 2008. She took that week off work as vacation time. She said that June 9th was her first day back at work. She later claimed that when she told police that Caylee had been missing since June 9th, it was because she thought it was the day she went back to work after her vacation.

Well then, she can forget about SSI or disability for a while as she doesn't appear to be unable to stand and walk, and, while we might think she's crazy, she's not crazy enough. :crazy:

 

[Tiki]

I wouldn't worry about her being on SSI. I don't see how she would qualify. First they'd check her assets, bank accts and retirement accts (ok maybe ICA emptied those). They'd also look at 'kid finding' boats. :crazy:

Then she'd have to show she was too sick to perform her work as a nurse that, apparently, didn't require any heavy lifting (according to her own description). She could probably get herself out of doing that job based on anxiety due to having a sociopathic murderer for a daughter, but, I'm not aware of any physical problems that would keep her from doing unskilled work.

Anyone know exactly how old she is?

I'm guessing 'no' to SSI.

:truce:

Don't throw things at me - I'm not defending CA - just telling how SSD works.
CA could easily be on SS disability for psychological reasons. Except fot the fact that I also have a slight partial blindness, this is my situation, so I know it's true.

It happened after my son died and I found his body. I know of other people who are on SDD for clinical depression, PTSD and anxiety.

I had a firm of lawyers through my employer's long-term disability progam. I'll be considered an "employee on disability" until I have to retire at age 65. I maintain all the benefits I had when I was working - health care insurance, life insurance, contributions to my retirement account, etc.

I receive a monthly check from my former employer which is the difference between what SSD pays and what my benefit would be through their disability program.
I supplement my income as allowed, by working at home.

If CA has a doctor to sign papers saying she's unable to work for psychological reasons and a lawyer to handle the SS hearing, she can get it no matter what her age. She would automatically be on Medicare Part A (hospital) and would qualify for Parts B and D. You can get it at any age.

You don't have to be physically disabled to be on SSD - mental health issues are accepted.

Also, it has nothing to do with how much money or assets you have. SS is for everyone, not just poor people. It's not like public assistance. You can have interest and dividend income, etc. The amount of your benefit is based on your earnings for your last several years of work. If you didn't work and contribute to SS, then you don't get anything. CA was probably making a decent salary, so she is likely getting enough to get by on if they are careful. We don't know what other income they have.

PLUS
You are allowed to earn over $1000 a month from work while on SSD with no reduction in benefits - they encourage it and have a program to help you find work you can do. If you make less than $25,000 total - SSD plus earnings, you don't even owe any income tax.

I bet CA is on SS disability - look at the lawyers she had who could get her accepted. And she could have had benefits similar to mine.

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[Ada]

Tiki I am so sorry about your son. How awful.

I think there is some confusion between SSI and SSDI. SSDI does not consider your assets but SSI does. SSI is based on disability and financial need and does not require you to have worked. SSDI is based on disability and your having worked and paid into the system for a certain period of time.

They just recently raised the amount you can earn by working to 1000 per month. Be careful to not go over that or they will cut you off and take back the excess.

There are a lot of factors that go into approving or disapproving a claim. It's impossible to say why you were approved and whether CA would be approved or disapproved unless we could actually review your records.

 

[Tiki]

Tiki I am so sorry about your son. How awful.

I think there is some confusion between SSI and SSDI. SSDI does not consider your assets but SSI does. SSI is based on disability and financial need and does not require you to have worked. SSDI is based on disability and your having worked and paid into the system for a certain period of time.

They just recently raised the amount you can earn by working to 1000 per month. Be careful to not go over that or they will cut you off and take back the excess.

There are a lot of factors that go into approving or disapproving a claim. It's impossible to say why you were approved and whether CA would be approved or disapproved unless we could actually review your records.

Thank for your kind words about my son.

I'm just reporting what the SS Admin told me.
I'm not on SSI - I'm on SSDI, so the only thing I can say about SSI is they told me I am getting to much to qualify.
They also told me I could get a higher benefit going off my ex-husband's records when I officially retire.

I'm only saying CA could be on SSDI.
As you said, we don't know whether she would be approved or not. I do know it's difficult to be approved without a lawyer, but CA's had access to several lawyers. I was told by my doctor that I probably wouldn't have been approved without the aid of the law firm that works with my employer. She was surprised how fast I was approved.

And thanks for the bit about the $1000. I know not to go over, and, believe me, there's no chance of that! I have an MS Ed. but I still have someone who helps me deal with this kind of stuff. We recently had a long conference call with the SS Admin about working while on SSDI.
If you work, you can make an unlimited amount for 60 months. If, during that time, there is any month in which you make over $1000, you must report it. When the 60 months are over, if you have made over $1000 in a month 7 times or more, you will then be limited to $1000 per month. It doesn't matter what other income you have, as long as it's not from working.

I'm never going to make over $1000/month doing what I'm doing, so no worries about it for me.

I don't know what CA's diagnosis - if she has one - might be, but her situation seems similar to mine...just saying it's not impossible.

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[Gma Kat]

Tiki I am so sorry about your son. How awful.

I think there is some confusion between SSI and SSDI. SSDI does not consider your assets but SSI does. SSI is based on disability and financial need and does not require you to have worked. SSDI is based on disability and your having worked and paid into the system for a certain period of time.

They just recently raised the amount you can earn by working to 1000 per month. Be careful to not go over that or they will cut you off and take back the excess.

There are a lot of factors that go into approving or disapproving a claim. It's impossible to say why you were approved and whether CA would be approved or disapproved unless we could actually review your records.

This is an interesting conversation Tiki and Ada, I myself have been curious about CA's situation and how it might be possible she is still collecting benefits. My apologies if this has been discussed already....as Ada stated, the criteria for various claims is different. I have 3 people I know collecting full benefits for life on mental disabilities. One was simply depressed because her mother just died (the mother was 70 and my acquaintence over 50) one claims anxiety disorder and PTSD (which he admitted to faking anxiety to me during his examinations) and the third person is simply a functioning nutjob....no worse than any other nutjob working.... All 3 of these people admit they do not "need" benefits....but their "disability" is invisible, and if you pursue pursue pursue.....you might get rubber stamped at some point simply to move caseloads along....

I am disabled, permanently. I get a percentage of the earnings I made the few years prior to my "date of disability". My disability is invisible also. Most people think I am fine and ripping off the system....except I can't look to the right without passing out (subclavion steel) and if I lift both arms at the same time they both go numb...I have no disks in my entire C-spine and have bone spurs and nerve damage.....but I appear normal and am quite active at times.....but like my DH says, "Let them spend two weeks with you to see how bad your are".....

so perhaps behind closed doors CA is truly a basketcase.....who am I to judge? Her situation is not like yours Tiki, which really breaks my heart BTW....I personally have never met anyone who was truly crippled by grief, but could function in every other way - as we have seen CA do.....

 

[JSR]

TY, JSR for being so honest...I too dote on my grandchildren, what grandmother doesn't. If CA saw that ICA had been neglectful towards Caylee, I too think she should have taken custody. Only problem, did CA want to be a full time grandparent? Working, going through menopause I'm sure her patience was running thin...but CA said, "there were no red flags", another mistruth...I'm sure CA saw many red flags...her avoidance tendencies kept her at bay, as she herself told ICA...

I go back to when ICA finally told LA she hadn't seen Caylee in a month. Before that she told him, maybe I am a neglectful parent, maybe mom should have done something before, maybe I am a spiteful biatch...said it all for me...she didn't want to be a mother, doesn't have that maternal instinct and you can't force someone to be loving towards their own flesh and blood if it's not there to begin with...but ICA didn't want Caylee in the first place, it appears CA forced it upon her...huge mistake if CA truly feels ICA is a sociopath/pathological liar...What did CA see to make such a claim??? There in lies the truth of ICA's behavior...I do hope the State can ask CA why she stated this to some of ICA's associates...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

I'm not entirely sure I believe the story of Caylee be forced upon Casey. Simply because the story came out of Casey's mouth (and most things that come out of her mouth are bald faced lies). But actually it's probably true since claiming to not want to keep your child doesn't actually put you in the most favorable light so there wouldn't too be too much motive in claiming that you wanted to give your child away. It's also possible a deal was made between Cindy and Casey that they would take care of her and Caylee and Casey's life wouldn't be too inconvenienced.

But if I recall I think Cindy's first words to Casey when she overheard the conversation between Lee and Casey in her bedroom when she first told her brother Caylee was missing were "what have you done". I think that alone speaks to what Cindy knew Casey to be capable of doing. And I think in part that's why Cindy is so obnoxious. She knows she should have gotten custody of Caylee and to some extent contributed to what transpired. I don't think she's to blame, at least fully. But she certainly didn't do all she could do to prevent it from happening. And I think that knowledge will eat Cindy alive from the inside out. She wants so badly to blame someone else, anyone else really. As long as it doesn't go back to Casey and what the Anthony's DIDN'T do to prevent it. And couple that with the fact that it's alleged that Cindy and Casey had a horrible fight and that Casey left the house that night with Caylee in a rage. You add all that together and you have the woman who appears to us before the media and in Court. Cindy will be permanently damaged until the day she dies.

 

[Gma Kat]

I just wanted to mention something else, and Tiki, please give me your feedback, as I'm sure you are one to understand this. (This is not referring to SSI or SSDI in any way.)

When I have encountered friends and even strangers during a time of deep grief....their personal hygiene and appearance change. I have watched CA glam up over the years....just like ICA did when she tied her "Find Caylee" T-shirt in a knot to look fashionable.....but those friends I am speaking of....they never improved, they never even put on make-up or brushed their hair for awhile....to this day one of them still doesn't, and year have passed....it changed them forever...to me this is profound grief and depression. It does not heal in days, months, or years....it needs medical intervention....

I don't see the physical correlation between CA and this type of depression/grief. I realize it doesn't have to be visible....but I think this "poor pitiful me" routine of CA's is less credible because she takes such care in her personal appearance. I mean, come on, the jewelry, the new clothes, the cruise......the media appearances....

how does one wind up that pony????? and still claim to be unable to work...

More like UNABLE TO GET A JOB now that the entire world has seen her lie lie lie lie lie......hard to get past that one.....most employers want integrity....

 

[Gma Kat]

I'm not entirely sure I believe the story of Caylee be forced upon Casey. Simply because the story came out of Casey's mouth (and most things that come out of her mouth are bald faced lies). But actually it's probably true since claiming to not want to keep your child doesn't actually put you in the most favorable light so there wouldn't too be too much motive in claiming that you wanted to give your child away. It's also possible a deal was made between Cindy and Casey that they would take care of her and Caylee and Casey's life wouldn't be too inconvenienced.

But if I recall I think Cindy's first words to Casey when she overheard the conversation between Lee and Casey in her bedroom when she first told her brother Caylee was missing were "what have you done". I think that alone speaks to what Cindy knew Casey to be capable of doing. And I think in part that's why Cindy is so obnoxious. She knows she should have gotten custody of Caylee and to some extent contributed to what transpired. I don't think she's to blame, at least fully. But she certainly didn't do all she could do to prevent it from happening. And I think that knowledge will eat Cindy alive from the inside out. She wants so badly to blame someone else, anyone else really. As long as it doesn't go back to Casey and what the Anthony's DIDN'T do to prevent it. And couple that with the fact that it's alleged that Cindy and Casey had a horrible fight and that Casey left the house that night with Caylee in a rage. You add all that together and you have the woman who appears to us before the media and in Court. Cindy will be permanently damaged until the day she dies.

I agree, CA will be damaged forever.....and I agree with your post.

 

[JSR]

I agree, CA will be damaged forever.....and I agree with your post.

And it upsets me knowing that too. Not for Cindy's sake, but because Casey is getting exactly what she wants. She wanted so badly to hurt her mother. And she did it. And she did it in a way that Cindy will never recover. And she's still doing it. But not acknowledging her in court and sadistically only feeding her mother crumbs of affection.

I know it must be hard for Cindy to look at Casey and see evil personified. But I hope one day Cindy sees Casey for what she truly is, that doesn't mean she can't still love her but I hope someday she comes to that realization.

 

[Just Jayla]

TY, JSR for being so honest...I too dote on my grandchildren, what grandmother doesn't. If CA saw that ICA had been neglectful towards Caylee, I too think she should have taken custody. Only problem, did CA want to be a full time grandparent? Working, going through menopause I'm sure her patience was running thin...but CA said, "there were no red flags", another mistruth...I'm sure CA saw many red flags...her avoidance tendencies kept her at bay, as she herself told ICA...

I go back to when ICA finally told LA she hadn't seen Caylee in a month. Before that she told him, maybe I am a neglectful parent, maybe mom should have done something before, maybe I am a spiteful biatch...said it all for me...she didn't want to be a mother, doesn't have that maternal instinct and you can't force someone to be loving towards their own flesh and blood if it's not there to begin with...but ICA didn't want Caylee in the first place, it appears CA forced it upon her...huge mistake if CA truly feels ICA is a sociopath/pathological liar...What did CA see to make such a claim??? There in lies the truth of ICA's behavior...I do hope the State can ask CA why she stated this to some of ICA's associates...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

CA is lying about the whole issue you have brought up above. As she noted in the first 911 call, it was high time she follow through on custody arrangements. By CA's own admission, she also sought to shut out Caylee's father from her life if he ever surfaced. If something happened to Casey, Cindy and Cindy alone should get Caylee.

We know that she was having issues with KC betwen the time Caylee was born and Caylee's murder; But we also know there were problems before-

According to Lee, KC started a lying phase that may have started after middle school and lasted longer than he expected, as he noted he went through a lying phase in middle school that did not last that long (?)....I guess he means he matured and she did not?

According to Kio and BrittanyS, IIRC, it was a full time job keeping up with the guys KC liked. CA likes to claim KC was virginal, but my money is on her sleeping with any guy that gave her the time of day in high school-And her mother would absolutely have an indication of that whether she admits it or not. KC was irresponsible with her own body.

She was skipping school. Thanks for that, Lee, since your parents wouldn't cop to it-And that's why she did not graduate. Not graduating from HS is a poor indicator that you are ready to handle and financially support a child. It was hard enough for me at 19, and I did graduate.

She tried to give Caylee away to Kio before Caylee came along. When your daughter thinks it's smart to give her daughter to another 19 year old, there might be an indication that she does not want the baby!!!

Per RyanP "Everything ...for the last decade has been a lie" "She's not going to do anything unless there's something in it for her" "She's always been kind of a hard arse" ...and Ryan claims she always had to level the playing field, if he bought a new toy, she would say she was going to get an even bigger and better toy: one-ups-manship.

Speaking of Ryan, her friend since pull-up days, KC never mentioned any abuse to him. She did, however, tell Ryan that the divorce centered around GA and other women, not GA and gambling, which is the A's sanitized version.

 

[lowens1975]

She tried to give Caylee away to Kio before Caylee came along[/B]. When your daughter thinks it's smart to give her daughter to another 19 year old, there might be an indication that she does not want the baby!!![/B]

Snipped and BBM

As much as Cindy denies it, I believe Kio and Casey did have a conversation about giving up Caylee for adoption. I don't think Cindy would admit it either. That's like admitting that Casey didn't want Caylee in the first place. I also think Cindy would never come right out and say that Casey was a 'bad mother' but then why would she go so far as to consult both an attorney about possibly adopting Caylee AND a psychiatrist about Casey's behavior?

 

[RR0004]

I just wanted to mention something else, and Tiki, please give me your feedback, as I'm sure you are one to understand this. (This is not referring to SSI or SSDI in any way.)

When I have encountered friends and even strangers during a time of deep grief....their personal hygiene and appearance change. I have watched CA glam up over the years....just like ICA did when she tied her "Find Caylee" T-shirt in a knot to look fashionable.....but those friends I am speaking of....they never improved, they never even put on make-up or brushed their hair for awhile....to this day one of them still doesn't, and year have passed....it changed them forever...to me this is profound grief and depression. It does not heal in days, months, or years....it needs medical intervention....

I don't see the physical correlation between CA and this type of depression/grief. I realize it doesn't have to be visible....but I think this "poor pitiful me" routine of CA's is less credible because she takes such care in her personal appearance. I mean, come on, the jewelry, the new clothes, the cruise......the media appearances....

how does one wind up that pony????? and still claim to be unable to work...

More like UNABLE TO GET A JOB now that the entire world has seen her lie lie lie lie lie......hard to get past that one.....most employers want integrity....

There are so many different stages of grief...I just hope that Cindy has allowed herself to pass through them, and has dealt with the grief...not denied it. I always prayed that she went and sought help. But something tells me that no matter what anyone would say to her to help her or ease her pain, she would believe they wouldn't/couldn't understand because what she's gone through is different.
Not to get too OT, but it really humbles you when you sit in a support group and hear others' stories. IMHO Cindy isn't different.

 

[Tiki]

I just wanted to mention something else, and Tiki, please give me your feedback, as I'm sure you are one to understand this. (This is not referring to SSI or SSDI in any way.)

When I have encountered friends and even strangers during a time of deep grief....their personal hygiene and appearance change. I have watched CA glam up over the years....just like ICA did when she tied her "Find Caylee" T-shirt in a knot to look fashionable.....but those friends I am speaking of....they never improved, they never even put on make-up or brushed their hair for awhile....to this day one of them still doesn't, and year have passed....it changed them forever...to me this is profound grief and depression. It does not heal in days, months, or years....it needs medical intervention....

I don't see the physical correlation between CA and this type of depression/grief. I realize it doesn't have to be visible....but I think this "poor pitiful me" routine of CA's is less credible because she takes such care in her personal appearance. I mean, come on, the jewelry, the new clothes, the cruise......the media appearances....

how does one wind up that pony????? and still claim to be unable to work...

More like UNABLE TO GET A JOB now that the entire world has seen her lie lie lie lie lie......hard to get past that one.....most employers want integrity....

Okay - here goes.
There is a condition called Prolonged Grief Disorder
or Complicated Grief that is on the verge of becoming a recognized disorder in psychology.

http://www.grief-healing-support.com/complicated-grief.html

I have posted some this on other threads.
I am in treatment for PGD along with severe depression, severe anxiety and PTSD. I have several blind spots caused by a neurological event caused by the trauma of finding my son. I had been taking meds or depression for several years prior.

You are correct in that most people who suffer from PGD do not act like CA.
I was like those you described - didn't even get out of bed for months other than to care for my cats. If I had to go somewhere - even to the grocery store, someone had to take me. I've been in therapy for over 5 years, since the month after my son passed, and have made progress, but people do not understand why I can't get over it and move on.
I posted on another thread once that I could understand CA thinking that Caylee was still alive. I know my son is deceased, but I still allow myself to believe he is still alive sometimes - it's a defense mechanism.

Here's how my situation is similar to CA's:

There are certain risk factors for complicated grief. Some of them are
-The death was unexpected and/or traumatic.
-The deceased is a child.
-There was a particularly close relationship with the deceased.
-There were circumstances before the death which caused great stress
and anxiety.
-There is a history of mental disorders.

I certainly don't act like CA. I rarely go out, but I can go alone now. I do not care much for my appearance, but I can dress nicely, wear make-up when I have to. I have my hair cut regularly. I have been able to travel across the country to vist my other son and to participate in his wedding and surrounding events and nobody would have thought there was anything "wrong" with me. I could not have done this without my sister by my side the entire time.

My relationship with a significant other was ruined. I have lost some friends and can't make new ones. I don't want to be this way and I'm working on getting better every day.
But everyone reacts differently. CA seems like the type of person who wants to make the appearance of everything being "just fine". She has the added anxiety of knowing - my opinion - that her daugher killed her grandaughter and she could have stopped it. I believe she is very ill and needs therapy badly.

ITA that she isn't credible as a grieving grandmother.
I had sympathy for her for a long time, but have only a little left due to her behavior and lies to protect ICA. I personally don't know how anyone could deal with what she's gone through, but it doesn't make the lies and finger-pointing any less despicable.

I'm not sure if I answered yor question - ask me anything else if you want and I'll do my best to answer from the perspective of my own experience.

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[Solace]

CA is lying about the whole issue you have brought up above. As she noted in the first 911 call, it was high time she follow through on custody arrangements. .

hi Jaylay,

I don't recall any mention of custody arrangements in the first 911 call?

 

[JSR]

hi Jaylay,

I don't recall any mention of custody arrangements in the first 911 call?

Solace,

I think jaylay was referring to the conversation between Cindy and Casey that the 911 call caught. It wasn't directed to the operator. But I think I recall Cindy telling Casey something along the lines your father and I will go to Court and get custody of Caylee if this is how you want to play this.

And I have a feeling Cindy threatened this many times and even consulted a counselor on this. The counselor gave good advice and advised Cindy (at least according to Cindy's account so take as a grain of salt) that she should obtain custody of Caylee and throw Casey out. Unfortunately for Caylee, Cindy never did go to Court. If she had I'm pretty sure none of us would know Caylee. Provided of course that Cindy wouldn't allow Casey to be Caylee's nanny (which let's face it that's all Casey was to Caylee, a nanny)

 

[ZsaZsa]

hi Jaylay,

I don't recall any mention of custody arrangements in the first 911 call?

IIRC this is the call where she is calling the wrong jurisdiction and when she is put on hold you can hear her say (CA) "Next thing we do is a Court Order" ICA says Give me another day and CA responds, No I've given you a month already.... IMO the Court order would be for custody of Caylee.