CO- Dylan Redwine, 13, Vallecito, 19 November 2012 - #20

[raine1212]

Hi guys, thought I would pop in.. Please be respectful of each other. I think it is time for a :truce:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

After reading many posts that seek to explain MR's behavior as suspicious I would like to weigh in. My thoughts are my opinion and based on past experience which I am not able to discuss.

There are people in this world who do not react the way we expect them to in situations. How many of us have experience with having our life under a microscope while under great stress. MR may be normally an anti-social person or unable to articulate his feelings, especially when called on to do it while his son is missing. Like the majority of people, he is not trained to speak to the media, especially the type of media that is of the NG variety, suspicious, probing and relentless.

He may also be feeling tremendous guilt. He doesn't have to be the person who actually was responsible for his son's disappearance, but because he was the last person to see him alive. He may have other guilt because he left him alone, didn't check on him sooner, etc, etc. He may be having a lot of trouble dealing with this guilt and seeks to deflect it by throwing out snarky comments about his ex-wife, withdrawing within himself or avoiding the real issue, his missing son. He may also feel under attack because everyone is pointing fingers at him and rather than try to refute each one, he has basically given up and said screw it.

A reason why he may not have spent much time speaking out during the first few days is that he was in shock. This type of shock can do strange things to a person. They are unable to function or comprehend much of what is going on. Some are better able to deal with this, but most aren't. Also, it is important to note that while many agencies are involved in this case, they were most likely bombarding him with questions and directions within the first few days. For most of us, remembering what we did last night exactly is difficult, but imagine trying to remember when you have many people in your face asking you questions while you are worrying about your child. This could explain some of the confusion around his statements, his attempts to remember any tiny clue, and his focus on things like a missing fishing pole.

Now all of this is my opinion and is not intended to say he could not be a POI, but to try and look at another angle so the true facts are not missed.

I havent kept up with this case lately due to the CT shooting and the busy holidays so forgive me if this has already been asked. The last time I read an article quoting LE they said Mark Redwine is not a suspect. Has that changed? They also had abduction still on the table the last time I read about the case. Has that changed? tia

If it has not and he is still not being labeled a POI or a suspect then I believe LE does not think he is one. While we have to guess and speculate about so many things and put our slant on it imo the police do not. They have had more than ample time to do a thorough investigation of Mark Redwine and I believe they have and have found absolutely nothing tying to him to Dylan's disappearance.

Most men I have seen speakout are much more calm outwardly and are not into tears..being all dramatic and showing emotions. I believe a lot of men were taught that men are to hold all of their feelings inside and deal with it themselves.

I for one, do not judge a person presently by using their past marriages/divorces as a indicator of anything especially when only one side is being told. People can change. I have seen it happen. People can also get married to someone that they really should have never married and their personalities clash. But then either ex-spouse can marry another person or just have another relationship and either one can become a much better person for someone else. Also as people age they can mellow. So to me the prior divorces years ago are only a side distraction and really is irrelevant to Dylan's disappearance imo.

Until we walk in the same footsteps Mark has had to walk in then we cant say with any certainty how we would act or when we would speakout in the media. Someone can have a missing child and speakout right away. Others like Jessica Ridgeway's mom and Mark Redwine spoke out days later. I see nothing sinister about that and it just shows no two people are alike even when dealing with the same situation. The most important thing is he cooperates fully with LE and the last I read he was continuing to do so.

I have watched him speakout several times. I have always found him geniune. He reminds me a lot of Mark Lunsford when he spokeout right after Jessie went missing. He doesnt put on airs nor does he try to impress imo. As for as the uncut video that doesnt show me anything either. Marlene Lamar use to smile quite a bit in her interviews and of couse she got blasted for doing so before they found the real murderer.......it may have been a nervous smile for she sure didnt harm her daughter.

A reporter's job is to make the person being interviewed feel at ease so as they were counting down to being live on the air she may have said something comical so he wouldnt be so stressed. These parents are not use to microphones being shoved in their face but I think he did very well and answered the questions ask of him and was forthright.

I really dont know what happened to Dylan and it seems LE doesnt either except they think he may have been abducted. I understand why some want to dismiss that possibilty. I have seen it dismissed by others before but truthfully he very well could have been. How many cases have we discussed over the years where a minor went missing and not one person saw or heard a thing? All the luck always seems to be on the side of the abductor. And some have been in rural areas. Crimes are no longer just for conjested cities.

But I havent felt Mark Redwine was involved from the very beginning and still dont. I have the same gut feeling about him as I have many others who turned out not to be involved in the disappearance of their child or children.

JMO though

 

[cluciano63]

You know, IMO,there is not much difference between Dylan's case, and those of Ayla, Isabel and Lisa. Only that Dylan was old enough to take off on his own, so it is feasible that was used against him if in fact his father harmed him. He could easily say, I came home, he was gone. And LE can't get past any of these parents. I wonder if they ever will. I honestly do not believe for one second that all four of these children are victims of stranger abduction. So which parents to believe and which not? We only have our instincts at this point.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Lucky you. I would be reduced to snowboarding here. Have fun.

I don't know where you are, but I'm packing up and will be on my way shortly!!! :great:

BBM

O/T - I'm jealous....sitting here looking out at snow.....

BUT I will be at the beach next week at this time (hopefully....LOL)

Oh, and I agree with you. MR had time to speak out and demand answers about where his son was....he didn't....because I think he knows where he is and why....

MR refused to answer calls/texts from ER and CR....he showed up late at the vigil....He should have been begging on Tuesday, November 20, 2012 for his son to come home. He was the last known person to see Dylan (his words).

JMO

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! I AM SO VERY SEETHING WITH ENVY AND JEALOUSY AT THIS MOMENT!...lol as I sit in the freezing temps, with dreary, gray skies above thinking of you out chillin' on a warm beach..sand between the toes, waves crashing all around..hmmmmm!

Sounds peftect...even more perfect would be that Dylan was able to be catching waves, feeling the sand between his toes, and the warm sun on his tow headed, fair skinned self... what a daydream, right?..

Don't worry, it's cold (for where I am). Very cold. I just have the right gear and an irrational need to spend time in the water on Dec 29th!


I laid out on the board going over the waves in the elements thinking about Dylan... many thoughts, I was about as conflicted and overwhelmed but at the same time felt peace. It didn't seem fair that I was able to up and experience such beauty feeling safe and content knowing so many families are suffering, children missing, and Dylan being one of those missing. I looked around and thought Dylan should be hanging out with his friends skimboarding or throwing a football around in the sand, something fun and innocent.... his friends shouldn't be participating in searches for him in the woods, Dylan shouldn't be... wherever he is... missing Thanksgiving and Christmas...

I kept coming back to one of my favorite quotes:
The cure for anything is salt water – sweat, tears, or the sea.
I was definetly up to my eyes in tears and the sea for a while there...

 

[TxJan1971]

And now we have the case out of GA where dad is missing with the 2 boys. He was last seen in TN, IIRC.

I actually have a list I'm researching/working on of dads who kill their kids during custody/visitation, etc. I'll share when I'm done. There's quite a few...

 

[SouthAussie]

Apologies if this has been discussed in a previous thread that I missed …… but I wonder if MR lives in an area where there is patchy cell phone reception?

I know that there are many rural areas here where cell phone reception is patchy or non-existent. Sometimes this is dependent on which provider the cell phone service is with.

We all expect cell phones to work anywhere in this day and age, but it is a fact that cell phone reception can be inhibited by hilly terrain or in rural areas where the closest cell phone tower is far away or blocked by natural geographic formations.

If reception is bad where MR lives, and an angry MR had disabled his landline and computer to try to make Dylan focus on time with his dad, this could explain why Dylan’s text messaging ceased when in the vicinity of his dad’s house.

(A text message must be received by a tower/provider before it can be sent or stored for future sending.)

 

[LotusPawprint]

And now we have the case out of GA where dad is missing with the 2 boys. He was last seen in TN, IIRC.

I was only half listening to CNN but I think I heard those missing boys called and made contact with their mom. That was reported in the last half-hour or so. Not sure, maybe? The anchor was very choked up, sounded hopeful.

 

[vasportsmom]

I understand that MR can be sleuthed, but not outright accused. Who else can be sleuthed? Anyone??? tia

RSO's are almost always fair game AFAIK but I think that is about it. We generally have to take our lead from LE & MSM.

 

[vasportsmom]

I was only half listening to CNN but I think I heard those missing boys called and made contact with their mom. That was reported in the last half-hour or so. Not sure, maybe? The anchor was very choked up, sounded hopeful.

Really? I haven't checked in an hour or so. What great news!! Now if only Elaine could receive a similar call.

 

[Ladylub]

I would think if he was truly a bad guy capable of murdering his child, we'd be hearing a lot more from the locals. It would be a juicy story for any reporter and I'd think they'd be all over that exclusive headline.

I doubt those who were never in a relationship would truly know how he is as a person behind closed doors.

 

[mck16]

If you want to sleuth someone other than MR, I guess ask one of the mods if it is ok?

Not someone, just wanted to know if MR is the only one that can be sleuthed. Guess noone knows. I will check with a mod. ty

 

[lonetraveler]

I think the second piece of info that just broke my heart over and above Dylan missing was MR not returning Mom or C's texts. In the moment I thought it horrifically cruel. I cant imagine the drive up there. That level of cruelty is frightening in it's self. IMO

I agree Bravo, that was an extreme act of cruelty and lends alot to my opinion of him and his capabilities. This points to an obvious need for him to cause her pain. Actions or lack of actions speak louder than words. JMO.

 

[vasportsmom]

True, but dad is gone too, which is more usual in custodial cases. That is why the Skelton case and Dylan's stand apart, IMO. Well, also Amir Jennings mother...

That's true. We have the 6yo UK girl that had been missing for 3 years and was recently found in Pakistan (I think) with her father's family. Her dad has been in jail for refusing to divulge her location.

 

[mmmagique]

BBM
Well, yes, it is indeed because some of us aren't all up for condemning MR without solid evidence that he has something to do with Dylan's disappearance, those people that feel that way are just as entitled to their opinions as those who believe he has harmed DR - and IMO, shouldn't be made to feel otherwise.

JMO
:twocents:

Of course they shouldn't. I can completely understand not thinking MR did something, or just waiting to point fingers. But I just don't understand the venom directed at Elaine. Unless someone truly believes that she could somehow have a hand in Dylan's disappearance, I just don't understand it.

This isn't directed at you Fruit Tingles, just jumping off of your post.

 

[cluciano63]

Apologies if this has been discussed in a previous thread that I missed …… but I wonder if MR lives in an area where there is patchy cell phone reception?

I know that there are many rural areas here where cell phone reception is patchy or non-existent. Sometimes this is dependent on which provider the cell phone service is with.

We all expect cell phones to work anywhere in this day and age, but it is a fact that cell phone reception can be inhibited by hilly terrain or in rural areas where the closest cell phone tower is far away or blocked by natural geographic formations.

If reception is bad where MR lives, and an angry MR had disabled his landline and computer to try to make Dylan focus on time with his dad, this could explain why Dylan’s text messaging ceased when in the vicinity of his dad’s house.

(A text message must be received by a tower/provider before it can be sent or stored for future sending.)

Apparently, texts go through even when calls do not. And his mom said texting was never a problem when Dylan was in Vallecito.

 

[vasportsmom]

I actually have a list I'm researching/working on of dads who kill their kids during custody/visitation, etc. I'll share when I'm done. There's quite a few...

Lol, of course you have a list. I bet it is more like a thesis than a list but you are the queen of lists. I'm still in awe of your research and organizational skills.


*To be clear there is no snark here. TxJan knows I love her (or Shefner or DylansMom or TtcRider) bestest of all, lol.

 

[asyousay]

Nope, not father of the year, but sure as hell doesn't scream murderer. That's all there is as far as a record. That's it. An ex spouse doesn't always sing praises of their ex. Out of all the divorced people I know, only 1 is on civil terms with their ex. Again, sorry, but an ex is not always going to be objective. And when I say only two exes (as funny as that apparently is) I mean no one else is shouting from the rooftops about how horrible and murderous MR is. Yeah, I've seen people on the FB page bash MR, but most of those people are probably from here.

I agree that ex wife's and even husbands do not always sing each other's praise but they also do not normally come out and say that they think there ex partner is capable of murder .

There is not liking each other and then ' that'

What do you have to be like as a human that people can suspect you of murdering your own son ??

IMO !!

 

[SmoothOperator]

I would think if he was truly a bad guy capable of murdering his child, we'd be hearing a lot more from the locals. It would be a juicy story for any reporter and I'd think they'd be all over that exclusive headline.

because ever so more often than not EVERYONE AROUND AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS MURDERED SOMEONE all come forward saying that they'd known all along he was an obvious murder...NOT..

Sadly cold hearts and evil walk amongst us daily..a large number of those who commit murder sadly are quite charming to those who don't know them intimately..

my personal opinion is that those who have had daily contact with him throughout some point of his adult life(like neighbors) quite likely know he's not that nice of a person, to say the least(for example, as seen by uncontrolled anger outbursts over toys with neighbors)..but that's jmo.

TBH its not exactly like the media is all over coverage of this case, sadly just the opposite..not as tho, there are some investigative reporters trying to uncover the truth as seen in other cases..and as a former neighbor of someone who was a real a-hole I know I'd not be chasing down reporters to tell what an azz he was, in fact I'd keep my damn mouth shut certainly not wanting to stir up trouble with someone like that...
again jmo.

 

[LotusPawprint]

Really? I haven't checked in an hour or so. What great news!! Now if only Elaine could receive a similar call.

I know.. right?!? I'm reading the CNN anchor's page and it looks like he had the boys' mom on earlier today for an interview -- the boys apparently saw the news coverage, called their mom and have been found (don't quote me on those details). I wish you all saw when the anchor was breaking the news live - that they were found safe... he was on the verge of tears.. so beautiful... that's genuine... that's what every child and family need... that's what Dylan needs... something's gotta give lease:

But so happy for these boys and their mom!


eta: today is the little one's 8th birthday<3

 

[mck16]

I agree but I was not aware of 'venom' being directed toward ER. I have not seen that. If so that is horrible. She is a victim as well. jmo