Found Deceased CO - Gannon Stauch, 11, Colorado Springs, Lorson Ranch, El Paso County, 27 Jan 2020 *endangered* #19

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OldLadyBlues said:
Good for them being at the house again! This is called "building a case" and you want this to happen. Tells me that something in the lab might have "hit" for a connection and they are going back to see if they can find more. OR, they could have gotten something from the tip line.

The thing I find odd is that friends are not talking to the press saying how wonderful LS is and what a super duper mother she is. Even Frazee had supporters remember. The only reason they wouldn't be talking is if she was "mother/wife bitching" to them which most of us do if we are having a bad day with kids/husband but it's more like our patience has been tested. Most times we don't meant it; we just have to vent. But if she was doing this constantly, she could have inadvertently given her friends a heavy duty clue and they remember that and reported it on the tip line. I know my friends would turn me in if it involved one of my sons missing and some of these women I have known since kindergarten.

@MassGuy, please tell me she didn't do the Benadryl treatment. I'm a grown woman and 1 can take my lights out, but 2 will make me speed. Same with Dramamine. But sadly yes, mothers give those two drugs in sippy cups to their children all the time thinking an OTC drug won't kill them. And as for me, I can't even look at a sippy cup without thinking about that innocent cup causing an inadvertent death.

MOO,MOO
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I hope we get good news soon!
 
jgarris said:
Granted, I'm ignorant on cadaver dogs, but can they get a hit on a dead body if the body is concealed? Like wrapped up and in a tote, or something of the like? Or is it phyiscal contact with the interior of the car?
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Oh yes. They can hit on a scent even if a body only laid there for a minute and was subsequently moved to an entirely different location. See Ying Ying Zhang forensics. Dog signalled just outside the bathroom, weeks after she was murdered in that apartment and after gallons of disinfectant had been used to clean up. The great ones are utterly remarkable in their abilities.
They have an extraordinarily highly sensitive detector abilities.
ETA link https://www.researchgate.net/public...y_on_detection_of_contaminated_carpet_squares
 
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JuneRose said:
I understand why they said that because tht point they weren't sure that Gannon wasn't a run a way but as soon as they saw that he never came back home after leaving with SM they knew he wasn't a runaway and it would take the investigation another way!
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Unfortunately since they were 100% sure of what they were seeing, yes. Hopefully the HD is not ambiguous.
 
stattlich1 said:
From what I've seen, and read, Gannon left that house, on that fateful day, in that truck, with that 't', and NEVER was seen again.

I don't know if his dead body was ever in that truck. I suspect not. My guess is he exited that truck, that day, somewhere, and wherever that somewhere is, that, or close to that place, is where he remains.

't' would be able to answer that question for us.
't' was the last to be seen with Gannon.
't' lived at the house where the Crime Lab, and other LE have been several times

and as a result of those facts, every road to answer all the unknowns, IMO ends at the 't'.
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As agonizing as it is, I must agree--perish the thought.
T is for torturous.
T is for twisted.
T is for treacherous.

We're all HERE FOR you, GANNON. :(
 
kittythehare said:
why? She locked that truck after she got out. @Angelo shared that footage a few pages back.
Why would LE say it was the break they needed if it wasn't so?
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I think the reference to GS being alive in the truck, is meaning that he wasn't already dead, whenever TS took him somewhere. If he was dead in the truck, during any part of her journey that day, cadaver dogs would have alerted on the truck. Decomposition starts immediately after death occurs.
 
kittythehare said:
Oh yes. They can hit on a scent even if a body only laid there for a minute and was subsequently moved to an entirely different location. See Ying Ying Zhang forensics. They have an extraordinarily highly sensitive detector abilities.
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RSBM
Was reading today they can detect a body buried 12 feet deep. That said, excuse the morbid comment following... they are trained on decomposition fluids/scents....I would think a body would have to be deceased for a few hours at least, before that process kicks in.
 
New here, lurked off and on for years, most of my input has already been stated in all those cases...this one is too close to home, as I am in SC and we have just lost Faye Swetlik...we were all praying and hoping for a better resolution there, and as the days passed, our hopes became more realistic and we simply hoped it was accidental and the killer panicked...we were asked not to search, otherwise, I believe most of Columbia would have turned out...soooooooo, I have prayed for about three weeks now, as that is when I found out about Gannon, and once again almost every thought, theory, hope, prayer, has already been voiced, here,and I have been told by my friendsto back off because my mental mood is sadness and despair...soooooo, last nite, I went back to the very first thread here, and started looking for that one overlooked bit, did I find it? Of course not, but I do have one question, does anybody here know how long AS was going to be gone? Weekend training? Or longer? Is it possible that Gannon DID run away? Planning to stay hidden til Dad came home?
 
10ofRods said:
I'm curious why it makes no sense. Let's say you found a piece of evidence (and it was a sub-team of EPCSO) and it had fibers on it. You don't know that when you collect it. Some of the fibers match known objects in the house (carpet) but others are specific and appear to come from clothing - say from underwear. You really want to know if that fiber is found in the house (in the laundry, in the underwear drawer, etc). You go back.

That leads you to another inference. And more testing. Perhaps you didn't expect to find DNA right where you did (on that first piece of evidence - which was not sent for testing because you have hundreds of pieces of evidence and no budget for testing every single thing - especially fast tracking it).

You realize that some person (perhaps someone unknown to you) has been in the house - a lot. You now know whose underwear it is, but you also know something else.

Etc. I'd want DNA swabs from all the appliance handles, if that were the case. The medicine cabinet mirror/door (perfect place for fingerprints too but those have probably been looked at - but DNA swabs weren't taken because no reason to spend $$$ just yet). All of the entrance and exit handles (you know the family touched them - but did this new person touch them too? Big tells in that).

I'm of course just making this up, but there are literally hundreds of scenarios in which we have to go back to a crime scene again and again.

In one real world case, forensics found out there was drug residue (meth) on some objects in the house and did several passes to find more traces. I visited the crime scene on about the 5th pass, looking for unusual places that drugs might be stored, but also for some other clues (we knew who the drug user was and no one wanted to literally tear the whole house apart, we wanted to find hiding places). We did find a small stash of meth (they'd already found weed and paraphernalia) but in addition, we found other, more important evidence (of a symbolic nature) as well. I have no idea how many times LE was in that house, but it was many times. They found all sorts of things over time, not all of them related to the particular crime we were investigating.

So I am VERY optimistic about today's development. Where I work, the investigation vans do not have such clear markings. And I've seen LE swap vehicles to throw people off, when doing work out in a particular neighborhood. They're not trying to hide the fact that there's a criminal investigation unit on Mandan Drive today.
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Nice examples and explanation.

I think you are right about LE tying some found evidence to the house, as I don't think they feel they missed something after multiples visits. Gannon and the primary "POI" lived in the house, and the house is not a crime scene beyond apparent child abuse and potential battery of a child (based on GS walking in the Monday video); so as you say, maybe evidence at a search site ties back to the house. I guess I have been hoping for more progress after all the days of searching, but of course we are not privy to this progress; until we get the shock and awe of an arrest.

Assuming a future arrest and released court documents, we should learn what evidence has been found and its relevance to Mandan Drive.
 
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