CO - Jessica Ridgeway, 10, Westminster, 5 Oct 2012 - #9

[sfbaynancydrew]

LE has said this is a local perp, more or less, and they must have reason to say so.
I believe them.

I agree. I *really* wanted this to be the same perp just for simplicity's sake. But there is another part of me that thinks LE already has a suspect and they have had one for awhile. And he is local.

 

[Sunday]

I look at his pictures and I can imagine him seeing the Open Space and admiring it for its beauty. It has a lot of aspects that he has showcased in his pictures: abandoned building, open space, fence, dead tree. That is really creepy.

I dont think it's creepy; his photos are gorgeous. What's creepy is that there may be something sinister behind each location.

 

[otto]

Clues that Jesse Speer could also be responsible for killing Jessica:

1) He had formerly lived in Estes Park, CO, so was familiar with the area
2) His victim in WY looks VERY similar to Jessica, and is in the same age range.
3) He posted on FB that he was leaving for an extended road trip on Sept. 28, so he was out driving around the west, whereabouts unknown, when Jessica was kidnapped.
4) Vehicle matches description of one seen following kids in Jessica's neighborhood the day before the abduction
5) There was plenty of time for him to kidnap and murder Jessica, drop off the body and backpack, and be back in Wyoming on Monday to kidnap the Cody, WY victim.
6) He is a photographer. The area where Jessica's body was found is known to be frequented by photographers.
7) WARNING - GRAPHIC - WARNING -
He likes to photograph fallen tree trunks. He also likes to have sex with 10-11 year old girls. What if it was a sick fantasy of his to photograph a girl next to a fallen, dead tree? It has been reported on HLN, and by people who saw the helicopter footage and people on Reddit who know FBI agents on the case that Jessica's body was just a torso. The head, arms and legs were removed. This might be a stretch, but, what if he literally turned her into a trunk, removed her limbs, etc. (tree metaphors)? What if he wanted to make his victim as lifeless and fallen as the trees he waxed poetic about online?

Note: He was ALSO on a "vacation" at the same time Elizabeth and Lyric were kidnapped, according to FB.

Thank you for making the connections.

 

[cluciano63]

I agree. I *really* wanted this to be the same perp just for simplicity's sake. But there is another part of me that thinks LE already has a suspect and they have had one for awhile. And he is local.

If they do, one they cannot get DNA from? Because I think they have some DNA.

 

[OtherEyes]

Here is a recent post on the WPD facebook page:

"Westminster PD--- The FBI has been able to rule out the Wyoming abductor in our case."
36 minutes ago ·

I don't see this post on their page.

I also have looked and looked and can not find this quote.

ETA: Just saw b2alicia's post pointing me to it. Thank you.

 

[krkrjx]

Perhaps he released her because he saw a grizzly?


http://jessespeer.wordpress.com/

Did he let her go or did she escape?

 

[JaimeInLA]

WY does not collect DNA on arrest.

No, but CO can get a warrant to request it.

 

[Foxfire]

Originally Posted by b2alicia
Here is a recent post on the WPD facebook page:

"Westminster PD--- The FBI has been able to rule out the Wyoming abductor in our case."
36 minutes ago ·

b2alicia,
This is the last message I see and it was over an hour ago..
http://www.facebook.com/westminsterpolice

Please continue to think about the FBI clues such as changes in behavior or routine. Call those tips into our tip line at 303 658 4336 or email them to PDamberalert@cityofwestminster.us

 

[belimom]

I found it. Westminster posted it under an article:

"Westminster PD The FBI has been able to rule out the Wyoming abductor in our case.
57 minutes ago"


I was so hoping the two were connected if only it meant the was behind bars and not roaming the streets. So, no connection in the two cases.

https://www.facebook.com/westminsterpolice/posts/10151350094674305

I'm really not trying to beat a dead horse, but I wonder if that was someone repeating what was said on 10/12 ('no connection'), and not something based on new info. Seems to me that if it were new info that they would make a big announcement and not hide it in a comment somewhere...? Have they announced it separately, or just in the FB comment?

:truce:

 

[Kimster]

I too was hoping the suspected perp in the Wyoming case was the perp who killed Jessica. This past week has creeped me out more than any other. These perps are swarming communities like locusts! There was an attempted abduction in Springfield Oregon this week too. :furious: Our children can no longer be alone for a nano-second!

 

[Ari]

I also have looked and looked and can not find this quote.

It's posted on their Facebook page under the second post they created an hour ago.

 

[Ari]

I'm really not trying to beat a dead horse, but I wonder if that was someone repeating what was said on 10/12 ('no connection'), and not something based on new info. Seems to me that if it were new info that they would make a big announcement and not hide it in a comment somewhere...? Have they announced it separately, or just in the FB comment?

:truce:

Facebook comment.

 

[b2alicia]

I also have looked and looked and can not find this quote.

https://www.facebook.com/westminster...51350094674305

go to their post on their facebook page that starts, "We have been asked what are we doing now...we are still doing neighborhood canvassing, open area searches and following up on tips."...

Then click on Comments, and it's the 17th comment

 

[TreeClimbingGirl]

ETA-DISREGARD, these girls were apparently found safe. Sorry for the confusion!


O/T but Westminster PD posted a link to a story about 2 girls missing in Las Vegas since Saturday-A 10 year old and 17 year old. I made a thread for them here:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=187786"]NV Las Vegas: Denia Santos, 17, and Ines Hernandez, 10, October 13th 2012 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[K.jill]

I think Jessica's murderer will be arrested this week. Just a 6th sense kind of feeling. I will be happy and relieved he is off the streets but it scares and angers me that he is not the only dangerous predator out there.

 

[danzn16]

IS THIS A COINCIDENT???

Upper photo is the Jessica Ridgeway crime scene (I mirror/flipped it)
Lower photo is one of Woyming suspects photos
It is number 3 photo in this link: http://www.jessespeer.com/gallery/landscapes-2/

I do NOT belive thise two photos is of the same trees/locations, what I belive is possible is that the killer choose a dumping location that "spoke to him" possibly due to that he previously had created a piece of art of two simelar "fallen trees".
Looking at his photos it seems that he has a thing for dead and fallen trees, not to mention abandoned cabins, mountains and open spaces...

WOW beyond creepy. they really need to look into this guy further. may be a coincidence but may be not

 

[Darcyline]

I hoped it was the same guy too. I had reservations about the time frame and similarities despite the connections in other ways, but it would be so much nicer if it was just one guy.

I have this really bizarre feeling that the actual monster in Jessica's case is really close to home. Like, sweating right now with them taking DNA swabs. That, or used to be that close.

 

[cluciano63]

I'm really not trying to beat a dead horse, but I wonder if that was someone repeating what was said on 10/12 ('no connection'), and not something based on new info. Seems to me that if it were new info that they would make a big announcement and not hide it in a comment somewhere...? Have they announced it separately, or just in the FB comment?

:truce:

But did they say "ruled out" before tonight?
I thought they had said they did not believe them to be connected.

 

[otto]

Well they have the DNA of Jessica's killer so I think that ends that speculation.

How do we know that police have DNA for the person that murdered Jessica?

 

[GrainneDhu]

It is hard for me to believe he could swoop into Jessica's neighborhood and nab her in such a small window of time and distance. It feels to me like she was lured by someone she was familiar with from her area.

And I don't think she would get into a stranger's van in the morning on the way to school---but then again he did get that poor 11 yr old into his van, and I bet you she is intelligent and well aware of stranger danger too. These predators are skilled at their evil ways.

There was a report early on that he called out to the WY victim about a lost puppy and she was the only one who approached his vehicle, whereupon he brandished a weapon and coerced her into getting in. I've wondered since then if the WY victim never intended to get into his vehicle, she was just going over to give him some suggestions as to where to look or some such thing.

Something like that could have happened to Jessica. She has been described as being a helpful person and I think it's possible that she knew not to get into someone's vehicle but felt like she'd be safe giving them directions.

I've been re-thinking my original impression that the perp in Jessica's case is someone who lives along the route she took to the park. I think it that is possible.

But I also think it is possible that the perp is someone who looked up elementary schools in the Denver metro area or in the northern suburbs or wherever and started cruising them before school, looking for the moment when he saw a child alone with no one else in sight.

Even in moderately busy areas, there isn't usually an even distribution of people. There will be minutes where it's like the area is full of people and then five minutes later, no one in sight for a minute. Anyone who has worked in retail has seen this pattern. The store is empty, empty, empty and then all of a sudden a bunch of people dash in who all need help right away.

Whoever did this is certainly someone who is good at spotting those little windows of opportunity. And that could be someone in the neighbourhood or someone prowling in the area of an elementary school because he knew that is where people fitting his victim profile would be.