CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #11

[Plo_Koon]

No. That's not all. His possible involvement is being supposed due to all of the following:

3. He hasn't searched.

Just a brief response at this point as I am heading out the door on my lunch break.

He hasn't searched where? Was there a search which took place that he did not take part in? I was unaware there had been one.
MOO

 

[jillianelaine]

No. That's not all. His possible involvement is being supposed due to all of the following:

1. Last person known to have seen her.
2. Experience in missing women cases.
3. He hasn't searched.
4. He did not go to the presser that everyone knew about days before.
5. He has lawyered up.
6. Most importantly, he has refused to discuss with LE his whereabouts from 11-22 through when she was reported missing.
7. He has a baby with her but did not alert LE when she failed to show up or contact him for a week.
8. He has not enabled KB's mom to see her grandchild.
9. Some have described him as violent with animals.
10. LE has probable cause, as determined by a court, to extensively search his premises and vehicles.
11. There is no evidence of any mental health issues, instability, wandering, drug or alcohol dependency issues, suicidal ideation, bizarre behavior, sudden argument, etc., on the part of Kelsey.
12. Kelsey has been known to be a devoted and responsible parent yet has had no contact regarding her child since at least 11-25 but more likely, 11-22.
13. Kelsey is a professional pilot working for a reputable company and she did not call anyone at her work, request time off or go through authorized protocols to take time off. She supposedly simply sent a vague text that she was taking time off. That is out of character, apparently.
14. Despite or because of access to all electronic, internet and other evidence/data involving KB and PF, it is clear that the focus of the FBI and the CBI is in Colorado and on PF. Not on possible random abduction, some other dude did it, phantom rehab/mental institution, voluntary missing, endangered post-partum psychosis or depression missing, etc.

and the police have not warned the public of any immediate danger.

 

[whoizzit]

The Christmas trees are likely from Federal lands. A permit and modest payment is obtained and specific areas and types of trees are designated available for the public to cut. Some areas are specifically managed for such trees, other areas there is a goal such as thinning a plantation. The permitted Christmas trees come from designated areas where others are also cutting trees and that are loosely managed with occasional federal managers present. There are tens of thousands of acres of the federal forests (actually millions of acres) and Christmas trees cutting is permitted on relatively limited areas.

I was a forester with the US Forest Service for 16 years and currently live retired on a NF inholding. A fun item this time of year was "Christmas tree patrol". Staffing is low in Winter and it was fun to do a different job and also likely earn some OT and good cheer. I did this on two different Ranger Districts. We would go to the designated areas and park and check for Christmas tree permits (and be prepared to sell and issue permits on the spot). We had maps for the clueless and also counted vehicles going in and also coming out for public safety concerns. We would watch for commercial "Christmas tree poachers" and call LE if saw that instance rather than confront the sinners ourselves. If KB is disposed in the forests, more likely not in the Christmas tree areas.

This is fascinating! Who knew?

Your post conjures up a Brawny paper towel dude/gal - and now I want Santa to bring me a hatchet.

I simply assumed PF wd cut a tree from his own property.

#strengthhasnogender (sez woke Brawny)

 

[MassGuy]

Just a brief response at this point as I am heading out the door on my lunch break.

He hasn't searched where? Was there a search which took place that he did not take part in? I was unaware there had been one.
MOO

He didn’t report her missing, and he never made any effort to publicize her disappearance.

He didn’t post a flyer, make a statement, have someone make a statement for him, or make a post on social media.

His “fiancé” disappeared, and his response was to never say a word.

Not do a thing.

Just like any decent human being would do, when the mother of his child is missing.

Or not.

What a guy.

 

[susiQ]

JMO
I don't have a dog in the race either way other than the hopeful (but unlikely at this point) safe return of KB. Since my human nature is to play devil's advocate, what exactly hard proof do you have of PF being involved or committing a crime? I agree with the feeling that being a SO, he should face the most initial scrutiny until he is cleared, but his guilt is being based on a lack of a missing person's report being filed, he hired an attorney, and he hasn't taken part in press conferences or search parties (which there hasn't even been any search parties for him to partake in).

No hard proof but a lot of very good speculation based on what we do know, which isn't much

 

[Steelslady]

At this moment in time, the only sure fact we have is KB is missing. We don't know if she's living, dead, voluntarily missing, involuntarily missing. The only evidence is that her phone was in Idaho, a state where she has family. We should explore all possibilities. Having tunnel vision, especially in such a young case, is not good.

So, that's all we should focus on?

Well, for that matter, why don't we discuss that she might have been taken by someone to Idaho and was forced to send those two texts, to make it sounds like she needed a break from life?

How about- she had her phone, purse, and just herself with the clothes on her back, as according to her brother, nothing else was missing. So, did she have plenty of cash and a place to go ahead of this journey she might be on, leaving family and friends up in the air as to where she is and if she's safe? Leaving her little girl without so much as a note goodbye, Mommy loves you and will return one day?

Did she borrow an RV secretly from a friend and decided to take a cross country trip?

She didn't appear to take a plane, Uber, Lyft, Taxi, bus, shuttle or one of her vehicles. She didn't have a motorcycle, right? Scooter? 10 speed bike?

No hotels have come forward to say she was a guest recently, no cottage renters. No apartment renters, no rooming homes, etc.

No mental hospitals have confirmed to LE that she is a patient and alive and well. No hospitals have contacted LE to tell them they have an accident victim that might be Kelsey.

How is she eating, drinking, surviving? Would it be safe to say that she's probably not using her ATM debit or charge cards the last 28 days, as there would be a trail? Do we have proof of a huge cash withdrawal before or on Thanksgiving?

To my knowledge, there's been no video of her anywhere in town that day or any other since Thanksgiving, other than Safeway. To my knowledge, no one besides PF has seen her on Thanksgiving or after.

How did she get to Idaho, where her phone pinged? If someone drove her, wouldn't they come forward to say that they gave her a ride and that she is fine?

No one reporting that she's tried to hitchhike for a ride. I haven't read anywhere that a trucker saw her and gave her a ride to Idaho.

Even if she borrowed a friend's truck or car and got into a car accident along the way, surely someone would have called LE by now?

What about Kelsey's aunt who said that Kelsey broke up with PF the day before Thanksgiving? If this was part of the reason why she left on her own, and it is very possible, why didn't she take the baby with her, in her own vehicle, and head to family? Or why didn't she at least follow up with her work and PF, that she was going to take another week or two off after the first week went by?

I am trying to think outside the box here, but I can't make any of this fit for some reason.

 

[JKathryn]

I honestly wouldn't trust any of the people checking sites on the internet. I've seen some pretty whacky info on myself lol... Names I've never gone by, people I'm supposedly related to that I've never even heard of, wrong occupation, incorrect income, etc.

Agreed. I was using familytreenow.com. Sometimes it is helpful with addresses when doing heirship research at work. Mostly all of my information was correct so I got myself removed. LOL

 

[nwmouse]

I honestly wouldn't trust any of the people checking sites on the internet. I've seen some pretty whacky info on myself lol... Names I've never gone by, people I'm supposedly related to that I've never even heard of, wrong occupation, incorrect income, etc.

Its mostly just clickbait for ad revenue.

moo

 

[gitana1]

At this moment in time, the only sure fact we have is KB is missing. We don't know if she's living, dead, voluntarily missing, involuntarily missing. The only evidence is that her phone was in Idaho, a state where she has family. We should explore all possibilities. Having tunnel vision, especially in such a young case, is not good.

Yeah. Tunnel vision is not good.

No. That's not the only evidence.

After two weeks with ALL the evidence - bank and credit card records, phone records, social media records, other internet records, dating apps if they exist, AIRBNB accounts, Uber or Lyft accounts, interviews with neighbors, friends, family ("Were you aware of plans of KB to come visit you in Soap Lake?" "Has KB ever taken off before? Talked about depression? Relationships? Problems with the baby? Dating? History of alcohol issues? Mental health? Any odd behavior lately?"), reviewing any and all surveillance recordings that they can find from markets, airports, bus and train stations, gas stations, truck stops, restaurants, hotels and motels, reviewing all tips no matter how insane, inquiring at any hospital, rehab or other institution in likely various states to determine whether KB is there, as they can do per HIPAA, and on and on and on, a multi-agency investigation with the resources and power that the FBI and CBI uniquely have, they've turned their focus obviously in one direction.

Do you disagree that LE has explored all possibilities with every bit of manpower and every last resource they have? Do you believe that multiple agencies have failed to do a thoroughly job, lacked probable cause (as determined by a court) to search PF's premises and vehicles, and developed unwarranted tunnel vision?

It's not one thing. It's multiple things.

Is it enough to arrest anyone? Clearly not yet. But it certainly is enough for me to use common sense to start eliminating some possibilities.

 

[gliving]

Would we know about any other sealed warrants?

 

[Lhughessk]

From post 4 of this thread:

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Thanks for posting this. It’s important we all abide by the rules. Keeps us from getting banned, and also keeps the thread from getting shut down.

Let’s play nice with one another!

 

[FrankieT]

Speaking for myself, I've followed gitana1's train of thought in other cases here on WS: The Watts case and Jodi Arias.

She is a fantastic sleuther and victim's advocate, and tells it how it is.

She is usually correct and I respect and value her opinions greatly as do most here on WS.

moo

That is so true. I rarely comment, but have been here for a long time. Every time I see a post from gitana1 I sit up and take notice. Never a post I just scroll by without considering. Great asset to this community.

 

[?mysterian?]

It's one thing to speculate and brainstorm within TOS and I don't think anyone has a problem with that, IMO.

It's totally different when posters disregard TOS and post whatever they feel like, IMO. That seems to be when the wheels come off and threads get closed for cleanup and cooling-off periods.

Edit for clarity: When posters are posting within TOS and disagree with another poster, it seems like they can agree to disagree and move on. It doesn't seem like it becomes a problem most of the time. That's what I meant in my first statement at the start of the post. (I don't know if that helps clear it up, or I just muddied things up.

 

[MassGuy]

According to reporter Sam Kraemer, KB’s mom is still in town. Nothing much new today.

He thinks that it’s a bit odd that they haven’t shared the latest press release on their Facebook page.

Sam Kraemer on Twitter

 

[Bill Carson]

and the police have not warned the public of any immediate danger.

They (the Colorado Bureau of Investigation) made the same claim after Maggie Long's death, and yet they still have not solved the case and they don't appear to have many ledes. It is very frustrating.

This is a common statement to keep the public from panicking, but all it means is that they have no evidence that there is a serial killer on the loose who will kill again tomorrow night. It is meaningless. Sorry, but that's MOO.

 

[SandyQLS]

That is a completely understandable viewpoint, and as I said from the beginning, he should be completely eliminated. My main point was that I feel I want to know all the facts and not make an assumption either way based on innuendo and holes dug. A few posters here seem to take it really to heart if someone else doesn't immediately align themselves with their viewpoints.

KB is a missing person. For myself, I would entertain any plausible theory that might help find her up to but not including alien abduction. Some posters may come across as more interested in their theory than in finding KB, or in convincing others like in a jury room. There isn't much point in discussing a missing person case unless there is synergy of discussion. Please do tell us your theories, new or old poster, fresh eyes are good.

 

[1wonderleads2another]

“Let me just say this....if she did just "walk away" she would have been seen by now by someone. The nation is looking for her and her picture is everywhere. This is what leads me to think that something happened beyond her control. Although there are very rare cases that someone could have been kidnapped and hidden, I know that. But there has been nothing but silence. Pure silence. Not a ping, text or call since November”

Quote turned out odd....but still wanted to respond, if KB (or someone did it for her) dyed her hair black and cut it, she’d look very different, very quickly. JMO

 

[Irmese]

As a mom, you would be able to.If your daughter put your name on the contact lits. If she didn't, they would not tell you.

I am not implying necessarily that this is what has happened. But mom probably heard something that to her made sense to not look. For the whole week, from 25 th till Dec 2nd.

As a mom, you would be able to.If your daughter put your name on the contact lits. If she didn't, they would not tell you.

I am not implying necessarily that this is what has happened. But mom probably heard something that to her made sense to not look. For the whole week, from 25 th till Dec 2nd.

I realize that, but if she is missing, I believe LE would be able to at least confirm she was safe.

 

[njbchgal]

Well that Jerk (yeah I think I can just call him a jerk based on his actions) PF better let KB's mom see her grandaughter.........xmas is in 5 days. I can't imagine what that poor woman is going through. Can't she get an order of some kind to visit with the baby? Can't grandparents do that? Whats that called injunction? I have no clue.

 

[Irmese]

On the toolbar in the reply box, click on the "disk" icon (third from the right) and select "delete draft."
MOO

Thanks! Something I needed to know, too.