CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #11

[gngr~snap]

Going back to PF being seen at the Waste Treatment plant, anyone curious that he was seen there and it was called in. Why is LE not following him closer?

Sounds to me like he IS being "seen"24/7.
I'd bet it may have been a way for him to verify he was being followed.
Moo

 

[susiQ]

I have been wondering if one could put their cell phone in something (metal box?) and the cell phone would be impossible to be tracked by the cell tower. So, I googled how to hide a cell phone from a cell phone tower (can't remember the exact words). But, up came a youtube video entitled "How to stop cell phone GPS tracking". All you do is purchase a MIAmobi for around 8 bucks and if you want to be undetected, put your phone in this silver -lined black pouch. I assume this is legit and may be a method for Kelsey's phone to go off the grid and suddenly show up around Gooding.

All I did was wrap some tin foil around it Tried calling my cell from my home phone and guess what? It went to voicemail.

 

[cluciano63]

OT-ish...the DM has a big cover story about men and women pledging their love in letters to Chris Watts...

 

[EmilyVan]

In my office of 30 I have 4 people who are chronically absent for one reason or another. Two have relationship issues and have taken off for various reasons and often last minute. They won't be fired because they are going through "stuff" and with a few tears our employer has been flexible with them thus far. One takes a lot of vacations but plans them out to use the least pto days as possible but always seem to be gone and the other is always sick and has been told no more days off but is well liked so it's just kind of accepted.
Maybe KB falls into one of these categories?

I don't feel this is congruent to a woman who moved states away from her home town to start a new life. MOO
I also work with "those" types and **IMO** they live a more coddled and entitled life than I can comprehend. HR doesn't act for fear of litigation. MOO

 

[Seattle1]

Playing devils advocate, do we know that she was a good employee and didn't call out last minute often? We haven't heard from the employer correct?

Doss Aviation confirmed they received a text msg from KB on Sunday indicating she was taking the following week off. They also said they do no discuss personnel matters, and have pretty much gone silent.

 

[Gardener1850]

OT-ish...the DM has a big cover story about men and women pledging their love in letters to Chris Watts...

Watts thread is open again to discuss : GUILTY - CO - Shanann Watts (34), Celeste"Cece" (3) and Bella (4), Frederick, 13 Aug 2018 *CW LWOP* #67

 

[gngr~snap]

You don’t even need location enabled. Your phone is tracked.

That's good to know, I ALWAYS have mine enabled. What if I have a wreck and run off a 25 foot hill where my car can't be seen from the road?
Well, my car will alert 911, the horn will honk and the hazard lights will flash until the batteries die...
So fingers crossed!
Moo

 

[GordianKnot]

OT-ish...the DM has a big cover story about men and women pledging their love in letters to Chris Watts...

(Cue sounds of projectile vomiting)

 

[heartgoesout]

Ha! I’d like to work there.

My guess is that her company didn’t have that level of flexibility, as they only have so many instructors to go around.

I imagine that the week was scheduled out, with instructors assigned to students at particular time periods.

I think that her not being there, would be a bigger deal than at most places of emnoloyment

But ultimately we do not know her employment history.

 

[NewMama]

On the subject of ketamine, a couple of years ago my 5yr old was given this as procedural sedation to straighten a wrist break. It took effect immediately - I was allowed to stay in the room to watch the procedure. Her eyes remained open - I'll never forget. It's not technically called conscious sedation but that's what it seems like. The Dr has to act fast - she started to 'wake up' less than 10 minutes later.

 

[heartgoesout]

I don't feel this is congruent to a woman who moved states away from her home town to start a new life. MOO
I also work with "those" types and **IMO** they live a more coddled and entitled life than I can comprehend. HR doesn't act for fear of litigation. MOO

It has been reported that she moved there to be close to PF. If there where issues with PF the job takes a back seat. I'm actually witnessing this at my work place now! Coworker is completely sidetrack on the relationship issues and has lost focus on her job.

 

[gngr~snap]

I have been wondering if one could put their cell phone in something (metal box?) and the cell phone would be impossible to be tracked by the cell tower. So, I googled how to hide a cell phone from a cell phone tower (can't remember the exact words). But, up came a youtube video entitled "How to stop cell phone GPS tracking". All you do is purchase a MIAmobi for around 8 bucks and if you want to be undetected, put your phone in this silver -lined black pouch. I assume this is legit and may be a method for Kelsey's phone to go off the grid and suddenly show up around Gooding.

Faraday cage.
I won't link, it can be found with a Google search.
Moo

 

[susiQ]

Faraday cage.
I won't link, it can be found with a Google search.
Moo

Make your own with tin foil. Cheap

 

[Denvergirl]

Ok, please have patience as I do this septic search, toddler in stage 5 clinging mode tonight.

Here is what I see in terms of permits for PF's property... I need to go through each one



Edit 1: these all look to be a new addition to the house in 2004. New plumbing/electric, etc. No sewer info here... I'll keep looking

Edit 2: made a separate post about it, but looks like you need to fill out a form and pay $10 for septic location/information of the property: http://www.co.teller.co.us/PublicwHealth/EnvironmentalHealth/SepticSearchForm-CDSD2018.pdf

I was looking into this permit history yesterday. There are codes on the left for permit type. The oldest one listed, 97 I believe it was, under a previous owner's name has the code 'O' - that is the code for septic.

 

[1mtroyal]

All I did was wrap some tin foil around it Tried calling my cell from my home phone and guess what? It went to voicemail.

The reviews on Amazon mostly say it works, complaints about the small size. They do make a larger version.

 

[lonetraveler]

I can’t, that’s for sure.

I’ve seen innocent people lawyer up, and refuse to grant interviews with the police and media.

I haven’t seen an innocent person fail to report a “loved one” missing, or make absolutely no effort to aid in the effort to find her.

There appears to be a long game being played here, “I don’t care what people think of me, as long as law enforcement can’t prove that I committed a crime.”

Hopefully this strategy backfires.

Spectacularly.

Since I've been here forever, I can say that I have seen many suspected spouses (significant others) who have thought that they were smarter than LE and the FBI and their arrogance eventually was their downfall. I predict that this will be the same.

 

[lonetraveler]

Another , not so rosy, interpretation of today’s search is that the search of PFs house didn’t turn up much, if anything. LE is thinking they will just go back to square one and start over. Safeway is the last place she was seen, but her home is the last place they know she was.

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[Kapua]

That's good to know, I ALWAYS have mine enabled. What if I have a wreck and run off a 25 foot hill where my car can't be seen from the road?
Well, my car will alert 911, the horn will honk and the hazard lights will flash until the batteries die...
So fingers crossed!
Moo

I have an older car, too. Shoots. I need to upgrade.

 

[Bill Carson]

Good point - but they may have taken a burner phone - I doubt anyone would travel that far without communication of some sort. I’m sure the burner phone would be long gone by now.

Are burner phones still a "thing?" I sort of thought that by now the NSA and the powers-that-be had closed that loophole and made it next to impossible to buy a truly anonymous burner phone. Surely they've got other ways to track, right? Or not?

@Z88 ?

 

[The Night Watchman]

It was asked in the previous thread "what is the maximum distance a tower can be pinged from", in part to analyze the hypothesis that the ping from KB's phone was sent from an extended range via some sort of booster. I replied in that thread but want to repeat here.

I am an engineer although not a cell phone engineer. After digging deeply into the technical documentation of various cell phone protocols I've come up with the following absolute distance limits:

GSM: 35 km (21 miles)
"Extended Range" GSM: 70 km (42 miles)
LTE: 100 km (62 miles)

These limits are due to timing and not signal strength.

Without geeking out into the details, here is how a ping works:

Tower: Have any new phones wandered into my range?
Phone: I'm a phone!
Tower: Who are you?
Phone: I'm KB's phone!

Until the last message completes the phone has not identified itself. However, the cell phone standards requires that these messages happen with very strict timing. And that timing dictates that even for radio signals traveling at the speed of light, the sending phone isn't going to be further away than the standard allows.

Bottom line: The theory of a cowboy in his truck on a mountain in Colorado sticking up an antenna and pinging a tower in Idaho is impossible.

Source: I looked at about two dozen documents to figure this out. A very concise, although technical, description of the distance limit can be found in this document.

Thank you for winning the Internet tonight. Well done, and a reference for future cases.