CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #17 *ARREST*

[SuperTmo]

i kinda thought the same when i saw news footage of him getting into his truck front door holding the baby. i can't remember ever seeing someone doing that. what i've always seen is the child is secured in a child seat via a different door and then the person gets in the drivers seat. i'm not a parent so i have no personal experience with transporting a toddler via a car so it may happen all the time, i have just never seen it before that news clip.

I would assume this is his normal method of securing her in the car seat, but he wanted to get away from the reporter as quick as possible so this was how he did it.

 

[tictoc]

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[heartgoesout]

We don't know motive, but men murdering the mother of their children is a common story. The reasons typically stem from money and freedom. Kelsey's life would have been simplified if her daughter was dropped off at a nearby daycare or babysitter. This would have allowed their daughter to socialize regularly with other children - something that matters with a 15 month old child.

This would have cost more, and PF would have been responsible for some costs. Extra expenses reduce freedoms. We don't know that Kelsey was proposing this change, but we do know that she was making changes in her life when she ended the relationship on Nov 22.

Wait, hold up?? sbm "but we do know that she was making changes in her life when she ended the relationship on Nov 22"
We know this?? We know she broke up with him is truth and not PF's words? What changes? Did I miss stuff?

 

[girlhasnoname]

It’s so hard to speculate with such little information. I’m beginning to wonder if someone else came into the picture and helped PF with his plans. Maybe a romantic interest that planted the seed and helped with the details?

Lack of interviews make it difficult to access his level of intelligence or get a decent read on him. CW was unable to articulate an intelligent thought and made himself look like the fool he is on camera so he was far more transparent.

The only thing that truly stuck out to me regarding PF was when he was chaining the gate while being filmed and he looked at the reporter right in the face for seconds before looking away. To me that seemed bold and almost challenging. No look of guilt, remorse or concern. Just cold and angry.

ITA and he has cold, empty eyes too. IMO

 

[InvSmith]

The above quote directly follows the paragraph where they mention the phone ping. Earlier in the article they say that LE decline to say what evidence has been found in ID. I think it's possible, even likely, that the writer simply made an assumption that ping = found phone.

And to complicate the matter, I do believe there's a good chance the phone has been found/recovered, but I don't think LE were trying to reveal that just yet. IMOOO...

I have seen it mentioned in most articles after 12/23 which amazingly leads me to believe someone led them to the location or kept it as a type of insurance. I hope we get a clearer confirmation soon.

 

[Irmese]

i kinda thought the same when i saw news footage of him getting into his truck front door holding the baby. i can't remember ever seeing someone doing that. what i've always seen is the child is secured in a child seat via a different door and then the person gets in the drivers seat. i'm not a parent so i have no personal experience with transporting a toddler via a car so it may happen all the time, i have just never seen it before that news clip.

My kids would climb into their carseats and sit down at that age. They couldn't buckle up, but they were good about getting into their seats. She might have insisted on getting in it on her own.

 

[Irmese]

It’s so hard to speculate with such little information. I’m beginning to wonder if someone else came into the picture and helped PF with his plans. Maybe a romantic interest that planted the seed and helped with the details?

Lack of interviews make it difficult to access his level of intelligence or get a decent read on him. CW was unable to articulate an intelligent thought and made himself look like the fool he is on camera so he was far more transparent.

The only thing that truly stuck out to me regarding PF was when he was chaining the gate while being filmed and he looked at the reporter right in the face for seconds before looking away. To me that seemed bold and almost challenging. No look of guilt, remorse or concern. Just cold and angry.

He looked scared to me.

 

[otto]

Another study about murder and body disposal:

"The theory proposed in this study was that offenders will operate within their awareness space. In most cases, it appears that the chosen crime site is not random, rather a selected place within the offender’s knowledge space (Brantingham & Brantingham, 1993:5). When examining the disposal sites, all of the offender’s were familiar with the area. In 47 percent of the child, 25 percent of the young adult and 50 percent of the adult cases, the offender knew the area because he lived nearby. Other offenders knew the disposal sites because they had camped in the area, worked nearby, travelled through the area, and a couple of offenders had committed previous crimes in the area. In this study 62 percent of offenders planned ahead of time where they would dispose of their victims."​

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/56371942.pdf

 

[CuriousCricket]

Yes, actually most roads, including the freeways can be closed due to snow storms here in CO. They have big gates that go across the road and you do not travel on that road when closed. But the roads are opened once the road is plowed. And they always do their best to keep hwy 67, the main road to Cripple Creek open year round as the casinos are there and the state wants its money. So Hwy 67 gets opened right away if it gets closed. 3 mountain towns that were mining towns then turned almost into ghost towns after the mining stopped are the towns in CO that have legalized gambling. This was to bring new life into those old historic towns. They include Cripple Creek which is outside Colorado Springs 40-50 miles and Blackhawk and Central City which are outside Denver probably less than 25 miles. Now some roads, like the one over Independence Pass, closes when the first major snow hits and is not reopened until the Spring.

We loved our time in Cripple Creek and the people there were terrific. We drove a picnic out to the best smelling place I've ever been. And the hotel staff told us the elk were up Teller One. They kept saying Teller One. I had to ask and be told it was a county road. We explored Teller One but did not locate the elk.

 

[SandyQLS]

I'm not sure what you mean. The study is an analysis of the relationship between murder, residences, and body locations over a 20 year period. Should we ignore the findings because the study excludes information that is not known?

No, no. Sorry. I think your post is a wonderful addition to the information. It just struck me as funny because those are cases where the perpetrator was caught and the body was found. The most useful information, what we cannot have, are unsolved cases where no body is found. Just ignore me, I always think outside the box, have some trouble getting inside the box.

 

[otto]

Let's add control to that list. I h ave been in fear for my life by a controlling man who thought every male I encountered in my life via my job was a threat. Then add a small mountain town, isolated from family, and his family also being twisted and there you have it. He could not control her and he just could not let it be. He felt he had a right. IMO

The fact that they never lived together reduces the likelihood that he needed to control all of her day to day movements and contacts, in my opinion.

 

[tmar]

See... I think this would only work for someone who isn’t career focused and does have kids. My ex’s most recently failed marriage was to someone with kids from two different dads and she didn’t have a job. So she found him appealing. Thankfully she got her crap together and left him once she realized he could kill her.

ETA: some women also just really like the drama involved in some of these situations.

Did you think, perhaps letting her know what happened to you, would have been advisable?
However, I guess if he found out, there would be loads of problems for you.

 

[BingoBongo]

The fact that they never lived together reduces the likelihood that he needed to control all of her day to day movements and contacts, in my opinion.

But, it may have increased his anxiety about his lack of control.

 

[otto]

Wait, hold up?? sbm "but we do know that she was making changes in her life when she ended the relationship on Nov 22"
We know this?? We know she broke up with him is truth and not PF's words? What changes? Did I miss stuff?

Ending a relationship is a very big life change.
I think the information came from an aunt, but I don't have the link. I only know that it has been repeatedly stated here that they ended their relationship on Nov 22.

 

[SoVeryMe]

He looked scared to me.

I’m not disagreeing but scared people usually don’t make direct eye contact for that length of time imo. It passed the point of comfortable eye contact and was intentionally intense. FWIW I still have him the benefit of the doubt until his arrest so I wasn’t looking to be critical.

 

[PrairieWind]

Ending a relationship is a very big life change.
I think the information came from an aunt, but I don't have the link. I only know that it has been repeatedly stated here that they ended their relationship on Nov 22.

But I believe that is unsupported and may have even come from PF. So I don’t accept that as fact at all.

 

[otto]

No, no. Sorry. I think your post is a wonderful addition to the information. It just struck me as funny because those are cases where the perpetrator was caught and the body was found. The most useful information, what we cannot have, are unsolved cases where no body is found. Just ignore me, I always think outside the box, have some trouble getting inside the box.

No worries. True, but you know how it is with research studies. Information is generalized based on trends that are observed in a sample size. Based on the fact that certain trends are observed with solved cases, it's safe to assume that unsolved cases follow the same trends.

 

[otto]

But, it may have increased his anxiety about his lack of control.

I would think that men who need to control women, but who are unsuccessful in gaining that control in the first 6 months, probably move on to an easier target. However, it has always struck me as odd that Kelsey did not have a circle of friends who raised the alarm when she vanished. Isolation from friends and family is usually one of the first steps in a controlling relationship, and Kelsey certainly seemed to be isolated from friends and family.

 

[heartgoesout]

Ending a relationship is a very big life change.
I think the information came from an aunt, but I don't have the link. I only know that it has been repeatedly stated here that they ended their relationship on Nov 22.

I don't think so. I think the break up is only coming from PF telling her mother that. I hold 0% of what he said to anyone to be even remotely truthful.

 

[Jupiter05]

The fact that they never lived together reduces the likelihood that he needed to control all of her day to day movements and contacts, in my opinion.

IMO the fact that they did NOT live together and she had a job working with many different people made this an issue for him. He could control her only if she was under his command. His roof. His view of what a woman and mother should be. That she had her own career and own home was really an issue for him. IMO I know this type of man oh too well.