CO CO - Kelsey Berreth, 29, Woodland Park, Teller County, 22 Nov 2018 - #2

[Curiousobserver]

I think the problem when mentioning names and speculating when a person hasn't been named a suspect is then rumors start running rampant especially when covered nationwide and then the person can be harassed. Put yourself in that person's shoes. If you were innocent you wouldn't want that type of attention. So until LE names someone or they start talking themselves we don't speculate. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I think obviously the LE knows the same statistics we do. The last person to see a missing person alive will always be scrutinized heavily whether its formally announced or not.

 

[gliving]

Have we heard an appeal from the fiance's family asking to help find Kelsey? Are they on the official FB page?

 

[CheetosDust]

This raises my hinky meter.

Yeah, a whole week is vacation territory. Most places of employment require more notification with that type of time off.

 

[PommyMommy]

A mother vanished on Thanksgiving Day — but her cellphone kept sending mysterious clues
De Young said Frazee told Berreth’s mother as well as authorities that he last saw Berreth in the afternoon on Thanksgiving Day when he picked up their 1-year-old daughter, Kaylee. However, police said the last time they had visual confirmation was hours earlier on the grocery store surveillance video.

 

[kspoon45]

We need a link that mentions that kelsey had plans for dinner with her fiance.

Yeah, I know, I know lol. I'm sure I read it somewhere - trying to backtrack and find it now.

 

[Gardener1850]

Your questions for me on the closed thread could no longer be answered there so here goes. A pilot who is hardworking flying max hours could make as much as $50,000 as a CFI but that's assuming you can fly most days of the year. (and you are limited by regulation to no more than 8 hours of flight instruction in a 24 hour period.) There are parts of the year that due to icing aloft, or winds, no one is training in a small plane. When I was teaching out of Portland Ore, which got its share of weather, I made less than my friends working as McDonald's overall for the year and had to have a second job.

There are no rules regarding flying as a pilot while pregnant, but I had to stop at 7 months because I just got too big to pull the "stick" (the yoke) all the way back for a full-stall landing. It's not an easy career with pregnancy or children - morning sickness can ground you, and most doctors recommend you quit flying well before your due date. After birth breastfeeding is an issue -Pilots are exempt from a provision in the Affordable Care Act requiring employers to accommodate new mothers.

I was pregnant at 18 and looking at a ton of student loan debt, no other job skills but flying and no one to help with the baby or help me provide for her (her father ran off and my Mom had just died) so I gave her up for adoption. If I'd been older and had other job skills that would have provided a decent home I'd have made another decision, but I had just turned 18 and was in college AND working two jobs.

Kelsey seems to me to be pretty level headed to manage a demanding career and motherhood.

Thank you GraceG for sharing your experiences. God bless you for giving your child up for adoption. That must have been a difficult decision.

I thought it might be difficult for Kelsey to fly while pregnant for the reasons you mentioned. This leads me to wonder if she took another job or if her family and/or fiance helped her out while she was unable to fly/work as a flight instructor. She might also have a very understanding employer who let her come back to work any time she was ready because she is a great instructor. I just wonder how much time she had taken off from flying in the past two years due to her baby, where she was living and how she was supporting herself and her baby (her mother insists Kelsey has never lived with her fiance). May not be relevant, but this sounds like a stressful couple of years unless a person has a lot of family support or has their own wealth. JMO.

 

[Mendara]

A mother vanished on Thanksgiving Day — but her cellphone kept sending mysterious clues
De Young said Frazee told Berreth’s mother as well as authorities that he last saw Berreth in the afternoon on Thanksgiving Day when he picked up their 1-year-old daughter, Kaylee. However, police said the last time they had visual confirmation was hours earlier on the grocery store surveillance video.

So he was the last person to see her. IMO you can text from someone else’s phone and then also put it on a bus or something sending it 70o miles away until the battery dies. IMO

 

[Inthedetails]

Thank you GraceG for sharing your experiences. God bless you for giving your child up for adoption. That must have been a difficult decision.

I thought it might be difficult for Kelsey to fly while pregnant for the reasons you mentioned. This leads me to wonder if she took another job or if her family and/or fiance helped her out while she was unable to fly/work as a flight instructor. She might also have a very understanding employer who let her come back to work any time she was ready because she is a great instructor. I just wonder how much time she had taken off from flying in the past two years due to her baby, where she was living and how she was supporting herself and her baby (her mother insists Kelsey has never lived with her fiance). May not be relevant, but this sounds like a stressful couple of years unless a person has a lot of family support or has their own wealth. JMO.

I agree. The schedule might be a bit easier if she has great childcare - perhaps someone else had the baby most of the time? Fiance? His family members maybe? We don't really know.

I tend to assume a mom has FT duties with the baby, but perhaps there were other arrangements in this case which allowed her to have a job 70 miles from home (do I have that detail right?) without being a big stress. Or, maybe it was a big stress. IDK.

jmo

 

[Gardener1850]

Hmmm...maybe. But in the PC the officer said she was at the Safeway at 12:27 p.m. and that is still very early in the day.

Do we know what time Safeway closed on Thanksgiving day? Not much was open Thanksgiving evening where I live other than gas stations and stores doing late night "black friday" sales early (IE: Walmart and some Dept stores).

 

[sun16]

Do we know if the clothes KB was wearing in the Safeway surveillance footage were found at her home?

No. We don’t know a ton of things.

 

[Inthedetails]

dlete

 

[MsGazette]

Apologies if this has been posted. Just jumping in now.

3 Days after Colo. Mom Vanished, Her Employer Received Text Saying She’d Be Absent from Work — People

 

[audge86]

I think it's important to remember that her family is protecting her reputation. They are, naturally, hoping that she returns to them. If she was struggling mentally or doing anything that they don't think she would want people to know, they may not reveal that publicly because of the harm it would cause if she returned. I remember Nicole Mittendorff's case, they didn't reveal that they had found a suicide note until after her body was located because they still hoped to find her alive.

I don't think we can rule out that a third party is involved or she left on her own, though I don't see either as the most likely scenario.

If she and PF were having problems, he could have been respecting a request for space to clear her head. That's the only reason I can think of for why he didn't report her missing. I have tried to keep in mind that he may have tried to contact her while she was missing and we just have not been told about it..

Hopefully more information is shared with us soon. And hopefully some search warrants are granted so the police can get answers

 

[SleuthB]

I’d like to comment on the numerous religion questions/speculation. I don’t think any SDA commented yet, but oops if I missed it!

I am a seventh-day Adventist (further refereed to as SDA) same religion as Kelsey and her family. We actually have numerous Mutual SDA friends (all located in Idaho and wa).

SDA’s are pretty normal ppl. Nothing crazy or extreme in our religion. The only huge difference is we go to church on Saturday instead of Sunday.

We celebrate all major holidays and birthdays. Thanksgiving and Christmas are just as big to us as anyone else. The only holiday not as largely celebrated is Halloween.

In SDA religion saving sex for marriage is taught. Having a child out of wedlock would be slightly “awkward” but it is happening more often. Most often the couple gets married before the child is born, or engaged and live together. It would NOT be likely that an SDA couple would have a child together and not live together if they were in a Relationship. If the couple was no longer together then it would be more likely to have a child custody agreement and live in separate houses.

Basically as far as religion I don’t see anything in this case that would be affected or different than any other case.

 

[SausagePizza]

Is there any way we can find out what type of phone she had? Research then can be done on the capabilities and apps available. Did she have an Android? They can be controlled from a PC.

 

[Gardener1850]

That is correct. We can only discuss what is in MSM or what the WPPD say.

Agree. Unless we get a verified insider. VI's do not have to cite MSM or LE and we could discuss what they say. I hope Kelsey's family will come back and post as VI's. JMO.

 

[Inthedetails]

I’d like to comment on the numerous religion questions/speculation. I don’t think any SDA commented yet, but oops if I missed it!

I am a seventh-day Adventist (further refereed to as SDA) same religion as Kelsey and her family. We actually have numerous Mutual SDA friends (all located in Idaho and wa).

SDA’s are pretty normal ppl. Nothing crazy or extreme in our religion. The only huge difference is we go to church on Saturday instead of Sunday.

We celebrate all major holidays and birthdays. Thanksgiving and Christmas are just as big to us as anyone else. The only holiday not as largely celebrated is Halloween.

In SDA religion saving sex for marriage is taught. Having a child out of wedlock would be slightly “awkward” but it is happening more often. Most often the couple gets married before the child is born, or engaged and live together. It would NOT be likely that an SDA couple would have a child together and not live together if they were in a Relationship. If the couple was no longer together then it would be more likely to have a child custody agreement and live in separate houses.

Basically as far as religion I don’t see anything in this case that would be affected or different than any other case.

Welcome to WS! I hope you stick around and help us out on this case.

 

[PommyMommy]

So he was the last person to see her. IMO you can text from someone else’s phone and then also put it on a bus or something sending it 70o miles away until the battery dies. IMO

Although I don't consider a bus likely (mainly because a boarding pass is generally required to get on) I think the possibility that the phone arrived in Goodling via motor vehicle is more plausible than it being mailed. MOO

 

[SleuthB]

Welcome to WS! I hope you stick around and help us out on this case.

Let me know if you have any other SDA questions!

 

[PommyMommy]

Missing woman is a Doss Aviation at Pueblo instructor
A national search is underway for Kelsey Berreth, who was last seen on Thanksgiving. Local police, along with the FBI and the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, are coordinating a search for the woman, who moved to Woodland Park in 2016.

Doss Aviation confirmed to reporters this week that Berreth is an instructor pilot at its Pueblo offices, which provides initial flight training to aspiring U.S. military pilots. Doss declined to give any further personal information about Berreth except to hope for her safe return.

Her disappearance has become a national news story. Her mother reported her missing on Dec. 2. Police said they searched her apartment and found no signs she was planning to leave.